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6/1/2018  1:48 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/1/2018  2:57 PM

The P&T guys had an interesting article on who could improve under Fizdale. I think Burke's ability to penetrate and dish along with some underutilized shooting we should see a good uptick on offense. Let see if Kanter opts in/out

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6/1/2018  2:16 PM
jrodmc wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Fizz had his beef with Gasol. I don't see Kanter fitting into Fizz vision for the team. Fizz is gonna want to push the pace.

I think he wants to emulate Miami style of play when they had the 3 headed monster. Obviously less talented. But they had Bosh at center and athletes on the wing with shooters sprinkled in. Played a swarming trapping style of defense looking for stls to convert into fast break points. With everyone from the 4-1 able to push the ball up the court. Off a rebound or TO.

it's actually a very curious situation. One could reasonably think that if Fizz is some defensive guru, imagine the player we would have if he could upgrade Kanter's D. Haven't heard a peep on that; perhaps Fizz is already signed off on him being incurable

you've got to try to win with the players you have - and right now, Kanter might be back next year.

He is definitely a throw back to an era of back to the basket centers. I'd like to think a system can take advantage of his strengths on offense, and that with better athletes, we can help cover some of his weaknesses on the defensive end.

I don't see much versatility in Kanter. He is a bulldog with 1 offensive move (power/spin to basket). Zero range on shot, only does layups and shots within like 7 feet. His bounce is not good but he is sneaky around rim. Horrid passer and doesn't see double teams. Mostly a black hole once an entry pass gets to him in the post.

The role he is destined for is the one he had in OKC. Instant offense off the bench.

And nothing else.

So the question remains is the going rate now $20mil per year for that? He's young, he's already making 18mil; I don't see how our FO pays him 20 mil if he opts out. He's just going end up being a fond memory for some.

If any president/GM gives him 20 million, they deserved to be fired and band from the NBA like 2 minutes after he signs the contract.

He's definitely a back up

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6/1/2018  3:02 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Fizz had his beef with Gasol. I don't see Kanter fitting into Fizz vision for the team. Fizz is gonna want to push the pace.

I think he wants to emulate Miami style of play when they had the 3 headed monster. Obviously less talented. But they had Bosh at center and athletes on the wing with shooters sprinkled in. Played a swarming trapping style of defense looking for stls to convert into fast break points. With everyone from the 4-1 able to push the ball up the court. Off a rebound or TO.

it's actually a very curious situation. One could reasonably think that if Fizz is some defensive guru, imagine the player we would have if he could upgrade Kanter's D. Haven't heard a peep on that; perhaps Fizz is already signed off on him being incurable

you've got to try to win with the players you have - and right now, Kanter might be back next year.

He is definitely a throw back to an era of back to the basket centers. I'd like to think a system can take advantage of his strengths on offense, and that with better athletes, we can help cover some of his weaknesses on the defensive end.

I don't see much versatility in Kanter. He is a bulldog with 1 offensive move (power/spin to basket). Zero range on shot, only does layups and shots within like 7 feet. His bounce is not good but he is sneaky around rim. Horrid passer and doesn't see double teams. Mostly a black hole once an entry pass gets to him in the post.

The role he is destined for is the one he had in OKC. Instant offense off the bench.

And nothing else.

So the question remains is the going rate now $20mil per year for that? He's young, he's already making 18mil; I don't see how our FO pays him 20 mil if he opts out. He's just going end up being a fond memory for some.

If any president/GM gives him 20 million, they deserved to be fired and band from the NBA like 2 minutes after he signs the contract.

He's definitely a back up

Cause the last guy who gave him a big contract is regarded as one of the best GMs in the business. Just for context
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6/2/2018  8:57 PM
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Fizz had his beef with Gasol. I don't see Kanter fitting into Fizz vision for the team. Fizz is gonna want to push the pace.

I think he wants to emulate Miami style of play when they had the 3 headed monster. Obviously less talented. But they had Bosh at center and athletes on the wing with shooters sprinkled in. Played a swarming trapping style of defense looking for stls to convert into fast break points. With everyone from the 4-1 able to push the ball up the court. Off a rebound or TO.

it's actually a very curious situation. One could reasonably think that if Fizz is some defensive guru, imagine the player we would have if he could upgrade Kanter's D. Haven't heard a peep on that; perhaps Fizz is already signed off on him being incurable

you've got to try to win with the players you have - and right now, Kanter might be back next year.

He is definitely a throw back to an era of back to the basket centers. I'd like to think a system can take advantage of his strengths on offense, and that with better athletes, we can help cover some of his weaknesses on the defensive end.

I don't see much versatility in Kanter. He is a bulldog with 1 offensive move (power/spin to basket). Zero range on shot, only does layups and shots within like 7 feet. His bounce is not good but he is sneaky around rim. Horrid passer and doesn't see double teams. Mostly a black hole once an entry pass gets to him in the post.

The role he is destined for is the one he had in OKC. Instant offense off the bench.

And nothing else.

So the question remains is the going rate now $20mil per year for that? He's young, he's already making 18mil; I don't see how our FO pays him 20 mil if he opts out. He's just going end up being a fond memory for some.

If any president/GM gives him 20 million, they deserved to be fired and band from the NBA like 2 minutes after he signs the contract.

He's definitely a back up

Cause the last guy who gave him a big contract is regarded as one of the best GMs in the business. Just for context

Those days are long gone, guy has destroyed his roster.

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6/2/2018  10:00 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
fishmike wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
martin wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Fizz had his beef with Gasol. I don't see Kanter fitting into Fizz vision for the team. Fizz is gonna want to push the pace.

I think he wants to emulate Miami style of play when they had the 3 headed monster. Obviously less talented. But they had Bosh at center and athletes on the wing with shooters sprinkled in. Played a swarming trapping style of defense looking for stls to convert into fast break points. With everyone from the 4-1 able to push the ball up the court. Off a rebound or TO.

it's actually a very curious situation. One could reasonably think that if Fizz is some defensive guru, imagine the player we would have if he could upgrade Kanter's D. Haven't heard a peep on that; perhaps Fizz is already signed off on him being incurable

you've got to try to win with the players you have - and right now, Kanter might be back next year.

He is definitely a throw back to an era of back to the basket centers. I'd like to think a system can take advantage of his strengths on offense, and that with better athletes, we can help cover some of his weaknesses on the defensive end.

I don't see much versatility in Kanter. He is a bulldog with 1 offensive move (power/spin to basket). Zero range on shot, only does layups and shots within like 7 feet. His bounce is not good but he is sneaky around rim. Horrid passer and doesn't see double teams. Mostly a black hole once an entry pass gets to him in the post.

The role he is destined for is the one he had in OKC. Instant offense off the bench.

And nothing else.

So the question remains is the going rate now $20mil per year for that? He's young, he's already making 18mil; I don't see how our FO pays him 20 mil if he opts out. He's just going end up being a fond memory for some.

If any president/GM gives him 20 million, they deserved to be fired and band from the NBA like 2 minutes after he signs the contract.

He's definitely a back up

Cause the last guy who gave him a big contract is regarded as one of the best GMs in the business. Just for context

Those days are long gone, guy has destroyed his roster.

He was trying to beat the Warriors. He took a shot but it didn't work. It will be interesting to see what he does now. Donovan was the guy he wanted over Brooks and that hasn't turned out that well. If I had to guess, I would say George leaves and they buy out Melo. They know they need to keep Grant.
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6/3/2018  10:56 AM
Like every other player in the NBA when deciding if there worth keeping it comes down to money. Is Kanter a nice player to have? Sure. Does Kanter produce enough wins to warrant 20 million a year? No frickin way. I view Kanters value to the team at about half of that, 4 years 40-45 million. I view him as a solid 6th man.
At some point Id like to see us build a winner but if we continue to overpay players like Kanter, Hardaway, Noah we will never win anything. We paid those guys 55 million last year. How the **** do you expect to make the playoffs paying bench players borderline All Star salaries.
Please Knicks do the smart thing for once
Trade Hardaway for anyone that has a shorter contract
Don't resign Kanter unless its for half of what he makes now.
Tank Tank Tank next season
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6/3/2018  11:13 AM
martin wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Kanter's defense isnt so bad that it negates his offense.

Yeah it is


GustavBahler wrote:I guess you missed watching the many games this season, where the only player keeping us in the game was Kanter.

I can’t think of one game where Kanter carried the team. Maybe a Miami game. That’s it.

Oh the Xmas game where they lost

Which others?

For 20% of our cap space. Kanter at 10 million is fine "if" you have your core of youth in place, We don't

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