HofstraBBall wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:There is no reason to bring Melo back.
None. This is not a negative on him. We are young team, one with its star player recovering from an ACL.
Forget the negative stuff. He is not a mentoring type of player, not one that will go to the bench if need be.
At best he has a good scoring year and helps us win a few games but really whats the point. He won't go to the bench in OKC, he won't here.
This is just no basis to bring him back that coincides with our objectives.

I agree with this. He also wants to chase a ring and the Knicks are rebuilding. If he wanted to retire as a knick in a few years maybe you consider it at the deadline but the Knicks and Melo have both moved on. It was for the best for both parties. No reason to revisit him being on the team.

Ditto. If Melo hadnt made a soap opera about coming off the bench. If he had shown in OKC that he was willing to accept whatever role he was going to get for 28 million dollars, I might feel differently.

Teams have to wonder if Melo is going to complain at his age, while getting that kind of money, what will he do with a lot less?

That's a great pt.

The only team I see him coming off the bench is GS. Otherwise he will go to the only team that has a open starter position. I think N.Y......either knicks or nets.. ..will add him. His mouth cost him long term money. I don't think he's the analysis type....cant see him working for ESPN. His buddy Dolan might be his only life line......next to jumping on the LeBron train......whereever he goes.

Melo and Lin, together again?

As a player who has been interested in his brand (to say the least) not the smartest way to go out in your sunset years as a player.

Melo still has that stroke, if he gave up on his old game, and focused on being more of a Ray Allen type of player, Melo could extend his career. I dont know if his pride will let him.

Stretch 4 is exactly the role OKC gave him and he hated it and was poor at it

I do think he hated it but the one thing you heard about Melo from reporters that covered the team closely was that he did not complain about his role during the season and was a very good teammate. His comments at the end of the season certainly indicate that he did not like the role. I watched them the most in the playoffs and liked their team a lot with Grant in and Melo out. But in Melo's defense, I couldn't see an offense being run with OKC. A team with a more structured offense and more of a distributor at the point might help him be more effective in a stretch four role. As Gustav said though, his pride might not let him take on that role.
Not sure if I am remembering right but did Melo play better paired with Felton?

LOL - Now Melo needs a structured offense. Can't make this **** up!! Ain't Karma a bi+ch!

Did you watch OKC at all or listen to any analysis on their offense?

“There’s an increasing number of people around the league who think the Thunder should look at trading Westbrook,” Lowe says. “To be clear, not a report. Not Thunder sources think they should do this. Just in spitballing ideas with teams around the league, there’s a number of people who have heard, just like, ‘It’s time for something to change here.'”

Read more at: https://nesn.com/2018/05/nba-rumors-increasing-belief-thunder-should-trade-russell-westbrook/

Is this your thread?
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=41661&page=1

No dear. My point wasn't about OKC's offense. Did you try to comprehend what I wrote before posting your usual garbage? What I said was it's pretty funny that Melo now needs a structured offense after having refused to participate in one for his entire career. Get it?

Then again you have never been the sharpest tack in the box.... (Melo fans.. Bleah!) 😤😤

I am not a Melo fan, I am a Knick fan. I hated Melo when he was a Nugget and I didn't like the trade when it happened. But I absolutely will root for a guy in a Knick uniform when he is a Knick. My issue is with guys that would rather not have the Knick team have success if it meant Melo was being featured like he was back when Woodson took over. So I'll ask again, is this your thread?
http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=41661&page=1

You blamed every aspect of the Knicks organization from coaches, to GMs, to the owner, to other players, to fans and the media and everything else inbetween over and over again for years in order to find every possible excuse to apologize for Melo. Knicks fan my ass.

Thanks for clearing things up about thread. It explains a lot.

Like I said, not the sharpest tack in the box. It doesn't matter what anybody is talking about, to you the conversation always boils down to a noun, a verb and 9/11. Good times.

I am glad you found what you were looking for, happy to help!

Bro, just tell him about your Lin poster in your room. Stop hiding the real reason you hate Melo. Reason why you get so emotional when challenged on him. If Crush, the most sensible and well informed poster on here, gets under your skin, then maybe I am wrong and its not just Lins poster you have on your bedroom wall.

I think you may be right though. It was Melos fault we went from 54 wins to several crappy rebuild years. And if he had not pushed Lin out we would have won at least 3 chips. I mean look at how Lin went on to transform Houston, Lakers, Charlotte and Brooklyn to Champions.

Bro?? Really?? Awwwww that's so sweet.
I got emotional? Crush gets all misty eyed whenever I mention Melo, maybe he has a Crush on him?
Crush brings up his phantom thread and you bring up Lin? That all you got? Revenge of the Melo fans? Y'all need to recruit Einstein as well. I mean please add more to bull**** to your speil, it's fascinating.

Hide? I am easy to find, Bro! (LOL)

Bro, think you have inhaled a bit too much dust. Take a deep breath.
Dunno why the hate for Crush? Did he hurt your feelings?
There is only one guy on these boards that gets emotional about Melo. And that guy is you.
Btw...The only reason we bring up Lin is because if we didnt, NO ONE else in the world would be talking about him.
Except barbers.

Actually no. I am not aware of ever having any feelings for Crush. 😀😀

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:I was a Melo hater. He quit on MDA and killed any chance of the modern uptempo ball you are seeing now. I stopped being a hater during the 54 win season. He was an MVP caliber player that year. It was so much fun, I watched every game and felt like every night you were gonna win or at least be entertained by JR trying. And thats it. 7 whatever years of his time here there was one great season with a 2nd round exit to a lower seed. Melo... who's next? Man I am praying Fizdale and co can keep us away from this type of thing in the future

He quit on MDA? Didnt see the resignation. Let me ask you this. IF you were in the FO and had one of the best ISO players in the NBA, as your franchise player, would you have hired a speed ball coach?

Speed ball coach was already on the job before Melo was bought here.

Yes. I know. Was asking Fish (rhetorical question) that if he was the GM would he hire a speedball coach, if Melo was his franchise player? Meaning, why would the Knicks keep MDA if they chose to bring in one of the best ISO players in the league. Which, btw, was proven to be the right move. The real question is why break up a team that won 54 games using the approach best sutied for the player you gave up so much for? Then, to make matters worse, you decide to move on from that approach yet you give that "ISO" player a new contract with NTC.

On that point only, the 54 win team wasnt broken up, it broke down and mostly retired. A bunch of vets turned back the clock for half a season, then father time had a word with them.

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:There is no reason to bring Melo back.
None. This is not a negative on him. We are young team, one with its star player recovering from an ACL.
Forget the negative stuff. He is not a mentoring type of player, not one that will go to the bench if need be.
At best he has a good scoring year and helps us win a few games but really whats the point. He won't go to the bench in OKC, he won't here.
This is just no basis to bring him back that coincides with our objectives.

I agree with this. He also wants to chase a ring and the Knicks are rebuilding. If he wanted to retire as a knick in a few years maybe you consider it at the deadline but the Knicks and Melo have both moved on. It was for the best for both parties. No reason to revisit him being on the team.

Ditto. If Melo hadnt made a soap opera about coming off the bench. If he had shown in OKC that he was willing to accept whatever role he was going to get for 28 million dollars, I might feel differently.

Teams have to wonder if Melo is going to complain at his age, while getting that kind of money, what will he do with a lot less?

That's a great pt.

The only team I see him coming off the bench is GS. Otherwise he will go to the only team that has a open starter position. I think N.Y......either knicks or nets.. ..will add him. His mouth cost him long term money. I don't think he's the analysis type....cant see him working for ESPN. His buddy Dolan might be his only life line......next to jumping on the LeBron train......whereever he goes.

Melo and Lin, together again?

As a player who has been interested in his brand (to say the least) not the smartest way to go out in your sunset years as a player.

Melo still has that stroke, if he gave up on his old game, and focused on being more of a Ray Allen type of player, Melo could extend his career. I dont know if his pride will let him.

Stretch 4 is exactly the role OKC gave him and he hated it and was poor at it

I do think he hated it but the one thing you heard about Melo from reporters that covered the team closely was that he did not complain about his role during the season and was a very good teammate. His comments at the end of the season certainly indicate that he did not like the role. I watched them the most in the playoffs and liked their team a lot with Grant in and Melo out. But in Melo's defense, I couldn't see an offense being run with OKC. A team with a more structured offense and more of a distributor at the point might help him be more effective in a stretch four role. As Gustav said though, his pride might not let him take on that role.
Not sure if I am remembering right but did Melo play better paired with Felton?

LOL - Now Melo needs a structured offense. Can't make this **** up!! Ain't Karma a bi+ch!

No. you can't make this stuff up. Melo is a piece of work, call it co-cooperatively incompetent.

The Phil years were lost opportunities that will never come back for him. The system he seeks is in China and even there, he may not ever be as big as Marbs.

Yes, opportunities to play with Langston Galloway, Lunch Pail Lou, Jimmer Fredette and the host of other brilliant stars that brought you a 17 win season. Yes, the opportunities Phil provided were always pure gold. Idiot IncompeMelotent, why couldn't he capitalize on that fabulous $60 million dollar pair of feet? Any other HOF player would have won multiple chips by now...

Yeah, I guess we'll never know how far he'd go surrounded by chumps like Westbrook, Adams, George.

Thought this was about when he was 27, winning 54 games and competing for MVP? Who here is saying he can do so at 33? Most that defended Melo, reminded people that we had no one else here to help him and that the FP failed to make the right additions to build on the 54 win season. Funny how some on here talk about how we are years away for having a team to compete in spite of having our Unicorn and several young assets. Yet going from irrevelant for more than 12 years to adding ONE guy and not winning a chio is that ONE guys fault.

how about just faulting Melo for the fact that once the playoffs start the style of play he's refused to move away from simply doesnt work. Where does that fault lie? On the roster?

Melo is a HOF scorer, like Nique.
Melo gets points, very useful for winning regular season games.
Melo has been dogged his whole career by criticisms for lack of passing and defense. Fair or not?
Melo's calling card is a scorer. Yet his scoring come playoff time is abysmal.
TS% .542 vs .510
FG% .449 vs. .415
3FG% .347 vs. 309

Melo on OKC with Westbrook/Adams/PG this year:
5-13
6-18
6-10
5-18
2-6
3-7

Melo's playoffs after the 54 win season
13-29 (vs. Bos)
11-24
12-25
10-35 L
8-24 L
7-23
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10-28 (vs. Ind)
13-26
6-16 L
9-23 L
12-28
15-29 L

Melo lobbyists will say he never had any help. Unless the discussion shifts to "Melo doesnt make guys better." At which point the lobbyists will switch gears and remind us of Felton's career season, JR's 6th man award and Tyson's DPOY as well as getting guys like Novak and Copeland along the way.

Of course the favorite player for the Melo lobbyists to attack is Lin. The problem is the point is totally missed. What made Linsanity so exciting was less Lin himself and much much MORE the style of play. Team ball, ball movement, ball sharing, floor spacing and uptempo vs. walk it up, hold the ball and go ISO for contested jumpers.

Linsanity was a style of play. Team ball. Move it. Get the best shot. You know... the kind of play that is dominating the NBA and employed by the elite teams.

How this topic remains alive is cute. Its not enough that Melo was just a good player and certainly the biggest part of the one good blip of basketball we have seen here in the last 10 years. However that is all he was. Melo is a HOF scorer. His faults are self evident. He has refused to adapt and still clings to a higher opinion of his shot than anyone else. Is what it is.

A bit strange how you are all about the details yet when you are trying to make a point you casually leave out obvious details. You fail to metnion how playoff basketball is slightly differen than regular season. Teams that dont have depth get exposed. Teams with only one or two good players double team the good players and force the bad players to beat them. When teams where playing against the Melo Knicks, who did they focus all their defensive efforts on? Who did they Double teams? And your telling me that shooting 40% against Boston and 43% against Indy, when he had NO ONE to share the offensive load, is bad? Btw, like the way you included this year with OKC. Thought we were talking about faulting him during his better years in NYC. Not wjen he is a 33 year old relagated to the corner to shoot threes. But think you know that but needed to sneak that in to make your point more valid.

Bringing up players he played with is not "Lobbying". Its just plain facts. And the main point for guys that claim it was never ONE guys fault for not winning. As with any team that does not win its a top to bottom failure to create and run a winning team. But lets just leave out that basketball is a team sport. Lets ignore that playoff success comes from depth. Leave out that its a total team effort needed to win. Yet when it comes to Melo, the fact he never had a well constructed deep team seems to be ignored. So I guess KP is just as bad for not even getting us into the playoffs with great players like Timmy, Noah, Lee and Frank.

And Linsanity is just a time where an average guy had a great run. The old underdog story. Made every YMCA homer believe that they had a shot at the NBA with their under handed jump shots and wild drives. Reason why so many liked him. Most act like we forced Michael Jordan out of NY. Or should I say Melo forced him out. By making him take that crappy contract in Houston. Cuz Lin was all about the NY fans and not the money. He definately proved us wrong that he was worth that contract. Btw, how does anyone say that Linsanity was about great TEAM ball? The kid had bigger blinders on than even Melo. Head down, drive to the basket mentality. Not exactly the quintessential PG.

Melo's playoff numbers stink because the playoffs are really really hard. But otherwise he is the greatest guy to never had every roster tailored to cover his shortcomings which are transparent to pretty much everyone in the world but like 7 people. (6 minus Melo)

Hopefully that quantifies my post as a bit less strange for HofstraBBall.. casue you know we gotta be fair to Melo here.

jrodmc wrote:I still can't believe there are posts about Novak and Copeland.

I have been trying to ignore this thread because i still can't believe Melo is a topic..

HofstraBBall wrote:A bit strange how you are all about the details yet when you are trying to make a point you casually leave out obvious details. You fail to metnion how playoff basketball is slightly differen than regular season. Teams that dont have depth get exposed. Teams with only one or two good players double team the good players and force the bad players to beat them. When teams where playing against the Melo Knicks, who did they focus all their defensive efforts on? Who did they Double teams? And your telling me that shooting 40% against Boston and 43% against Indy, when he had NO ONE to share the offensive load, is bad? Btw, like the way you included this year with OKC. Thought we were talking about faulting him during his better years in NYC. Not wjen he is a 33 year old relagated to the corner to shoot threes. But think you know that but needed to sneak that in to make your point more valid.

Bringing up players he played with is not "Lobbying". Its just plain facts. And the main point for guys that claim it was never ONE guys fault for not winning. As with any team that does not win its a top to bottom failure to create and run a winning team. But lets just leave out that basketball is a team sport. Lets ignore that playoff success comes from depth. Leave out that its a total team effort needed to win. Yet when it comes to Melo, the fact he never had a well constructed deep team seems to be ignored. So I guess KP is just as bad for not even getting us into the playoffs with great players like Timmy, Noah, Lee and Frank.

And Linsanity is just a time where an average guy had a great run. The old underdog story. Made every YMCA homer believe that they had a shot at the NBA with their under handed jump shots and wild drives. Reason why so many liked him. Most act like we forced Michael Jordan out of NY. Or should I say Melo forced him out. By making him take that crappy contract in Houston. Cuz Lin was all about the NY fans and not the money. He definately proved us wrong that he was worth that contract. Btw, how does anyone say that Linsanity was about great TEAM ball? The kid had bigger blinders on than even Melo. Head down, drive to the basket mentality. Not exactly the quintessential PG.

Translation for you and jrodmc for everyone else.

If you cannot hold Melo accountable for EVERYTHING, then you can hold him accountable for NOTHING.

That is all that you and jrodmc are trying to push. What a childish insufferable and bull**** way to frame things.

Are all the Knicks failings happen because of Melo? No. Did Melo do everything possible to help the Knicks be the best they could be? No. A deep and glaring No.

As a "franchise player", you get all the glory if you win, and all the blame if you lose. This is how the process and system and game works. You can't have one without the other. Melo is not exempt from this.

The only takeaway I see is that you and jrodmc are not real Knicks fans. Because to rationalize what Melo did to hurt this team means you both would rather justify someone helping the team lose instead of win and then excusing it.

You are a Melo troll posing as a Knicks fan. You don't love this team. At all.

Did I casually leave out any obvious details here?

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:I was a Melo hater. He quit on MDA and killed any chance of the modern uptempo ball you are seeing now. I stopped being a hater during the 54 win season. He was an MVP caliber player that year. It was so much fun, I watched every game and felt like every night you were gonna win or at least be entertained by JR trying. And thats it. 7 whatever years of his time here there was one great season with a 2nd round exit to a lower seed. Melo... who's next? Man I am praying Fizdale and co can keep us away from this type of thing in the future

He quit on MDA? Didnt see the resignation. Let me ask you this. IF you were in the FO and had one of the best ISO players in the NBA, as your franchise player, would you have hired a speed ball coach?

Speed ball coach was already on the job before Melo was bought here.

Yes. I know. Was asking Fish (rhetorical question) that if he was the GM would he hire a speedball coach, if Melo was his franchise player? Meaning, why would the Knicks keep MDA if they chose to bring in one of the best ISO players in the league. Which, btw, was proven to be the right move. The real question is why break up a team that won 54 games using the approach best sutied for the player you gave up so much for? Then, to make matters worse, you decide to move on from that approach yet you give that "ISO" player a new contract with NTC.

On that point only, the 54 win team wasnt broken up, it broke down and mostly retired. A bunch of vets turned back the clock for half a season, then father time had a word with them.

Gustav is correct, Kidd, Kurt, RashWeed, Camby, KMart, either retired or officially cooked. WE had the oldest team in the NBA that year. Easy.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2013.html
Know yoru history, this was the team the year after.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/NYK/2014.html
There was no break up, it was father time. Woodson did a very good job. Melo did a good job and did what Melo does.
Blame him, blame Dolan, Blame Layden, blam Isiah, blame Walsh, blame Grunwald, blame Phil and now blame Mills.
Blame your own expectations and guarded emotions if one is still stinging from all this and have a bad outlook on things.
Melo is a part of the team and its history. ONe need only look at the won-lost record in any year and know the story.
Marbury, Amare, Melo have been our faces and for what ever reason have failed. KP is still just 22 and was engaged in an allstar campaign. He too failed.
Non of this has anything to do with our future except KP's knee.

HofstraBBall wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:A bit strange how you are all about the details yet when you are trying to make a point you casually leave out obvious details. You fail to metnion how playoff basketball is slightly differen than regular season. Teams that dont have depth get exposed. Teams with only one or two good players double team the good players and force the bad players to beat them. When teams where playing against the Melo Knicks, who did they focus all their defensive efforts on? Who did they Double teams? And your telling me that shooting 40% against Boston and 43% against Indy, when he had NO ONE to share the offensive load, is bad? Btw, like the way you included this year with OKC. Thought we were talking about faulting him during his better years in NYC. Not wjen he is a 33 year old relagated to the corner to shoot threes. But think you know that but needed to sneak that in to make your point more valid.

Bringing up players he played with is not "Lobbying". Its just plain facts. And the main point for guys that claim it was never ONE guys fault for not winning. As with any team that does not win its a top to bottom failure to create and run a winning team. But lets just leave out that basketball is a team sport. Lets ignore that playoff success comes from depth. Leave out that its a total team effort needed to win. Yet when it comes to Melo, the fact he never had a well constructed deep team seems to be ignored. So I guess KP is just as bad for not even getting us into the playoffs with great players like Timmy, Noah, Lee and Frank.

And Linsanity is just a time where an average guy had a great run. The old underdog story. Made every YMCA homer believe that they had a shot at the NBA with their under handed jump shots and wild drives. Reason why so many liked him. Most act like we forced Michael Jordan out of NY. Or should I say Melo forced him out. By making him take that crappy contract in Houston. Cuz Lin was all about the NY fans and not the money. He definately proved us wrong that he was worth that contract. Btw, how does anyone say that Linsanity was about great TEAM ball? The kid had bigger blinders on than even Melo. Head down, drive to the basket mentality. Not exactly the quintessential PG.

Translation for you and jrodmc for everyone else.

If you cannot hold Melo accountable for EVERYTHING, then you can hold him accountable for NOTHING.

That is all that you and jrodmc are trying to push. What a childish insufferable and bull**** way to frame things.

Are all the Knicks failings happen because of Melo? No. Did Melo do everything possible to help the Knicks be the best they could be? No. A deep and glaring No.

As a "franchise player", you get all the glory if you win, and all the blame if you lose. This is how the process and system and game works. You can't have one without the other. Melo is not exempt from this.

The only takeaway I see is that you and jrodmc are not real Knicks fans. Because to rationalize what Melo did to hurt this team means you both would rather justify someone helping the team lose instead of win and then excusing it.

You are a Melo troll posing as a Knicks fan. You don't love this team. At all.

Did I casually leave out any obvious details here?

GTFOH! The point you just made above is what I am talking about and the point some of us argue. Real Knick fans, which I have been for many years, are not crying whining band wagon babies who want to blame ONE player for not fulfilling their ability to gain more respect at some sports bar. NOR are they LIN loving fan boys who are pretending to be Knick fans. Real Knick fans are very knowledgeable fans who know what it takes to put together a winning basketball team. They know what we had was close but not enough. Some even have experience competing and know it takes more than ONE player to have a good team, Most NY FANS also recognize the difference between watching a ****ty team coming in last place for years and watching a team thats competing in the playoffs. Funny how guys like you, Lin Lovers, have no answere when asked when was the last time since 2000 that we had a team that was not a joke? Answer..When Melo was brought over. Maybe you are acconstumed to coming is last but some us dont like it. We actually liked the years where we were competing for a playoff spot and not watching guys like you jacking off to Lin posters and other wannabbees, has beens and never were guys that this board loves to fall in love with.

BTW, When did I say Melo is not at fault? When did I say he had no weaknesses? Actually agreed that it was time to move on from Melo, with uncle Phil at the helm. Never thinking he would be dumb enough to give hinm a max with NTC. If you stopped focusing on hating Melo, you would ralize that I am arguing the decision to bring over a STAR, experience some success, gut the team because you do not believe in the system, and then give the PLAYER that does not represent the new system a new MAX deal with a NTC.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:A bit strange how you are all about the details yet when you are trying to make a point you casually leave out obvious details. You fail to metnion how playoff basketball is slightly differen than regular season. Teams that dont have depth get exposed. Teams with only one or two good players double team the good players and force the bad players to beat them. When teams where playing against the Melo Knicks, who did they focus all their defensive efforts on? Who did they Double teams? And your telling me that shooting 40% against Boston and 43% against Indy, when he had NO ONE to share the offensive load, is bad? Btw, like the way you included this year with OKC. Thought we were talking about faulting him during his better years in NYC. Not wjen he is a 33 year old relagated to the corner to shoot threes. But think you know that but needed to sneak that in to make your point more valid.

Bringing up players he played with is not "Lobbying". Its just plain facts. And the main point for guys that claim it was never ONE guys fault for not winning. As with any team that does not win its a top to bottom failure to create and run a winning team. But lets just leave out that basketball is a team sport. Lets ignore that playoff success comes from depth. Leave out that its a total team effort needed to win. Yet when it comes to Melo, the fact he never had a well constructed deep team seems to be ignored. So I guess KP is just as bad for not even getting us into the playoffs with great players like Timmy, Noah, Lee and Frank.

And Linsanity is just a time where an average guy had a great run. The old underdog story. Made every YMCA homer believe that they had a shot at the NBA with their under handed jump shots and wild drives. Reason why so many liked him. Most act like we forced Michael Jordan out of NY. Or should I say Melo forced him out. By making him take that crappy contract in Houston. Cuz Lin was all about the NY fans and not the money. He definately proved us wrong that he was worth that contract. Btw, how does anyone say that Linsanity was about great TEAM ball? The kid had bigger blinders on than even Melo. Head down, drive to the basket mentality. Not exactly the quintessential PG.

Translation for you and jrodmc for everyone else.

If you cannot hold Melo accountable for EVERYTHING, then you can hold him accountable for NOTHING.

That is all that you and jrodmc are trying to push. What a childish insufferable and bull**** way to frame things.

Are all the Knicks failings happen because of Melo? No. Did Melo do everything possible to help the Knicks be the best they could be? No. A deep and glaring No.

As a "franchise player", you get all the glory if you win, and all the blame if you lose. This is how the process and system and game works. You can't have one without the other. Melo is not exempt from this.

The only takeaway I see is that you and jrodmc are not real Knicks fans. Because to rationalize what Melo did to hurt this team means you both would rather justify someone helping the team lose instead of win and then excusing it.

You are a Melo troll posing as a Knicks fan. You don't love this team. At all.

Did I casually leave out any obvious details here?

GTFOH! The point you just made above is what I am talking about and the point some of us argue. Real Knick fans, which I have been for many years, are not crying whining band wagon babies who want to blame ONE player for not fulfilling their ability to gain more respect at some sports bar. NOR are they LIN loving fan boys who are pretending to be Knick fans. Real Knick fans are very knowledgeable fans who know what it takes to put together a winning basketball team. They know what we had was close but not enough. Some even have experience competing and know it takes more than ONE player to have a good team, Most NY FANS also recognize the difference between watching a ****ty team coming in last place for years and watching a team thats competing in the playoffs. Funny how guys like you, Lin Lovers, have no answere when asked when was the last time since 2000 that we had a team that was not a joke? Answer..When Melo was brought over. Maybe you are acconstumed to coming is last but some us dont like it. We actually liked the years where we were competing for a playoff spot and not watching guys like you jacking off to Lin posters and other wannabbees, has beens and never were guys that this board loves to fall in love with.

BTW, When did I say Melo is not at fault? When did I say he had no weaknesses? Actually agreed that it was time to move on from Melo, with uncle Phil at the helm. Never thinking he would be dumb enough to give hinm a max with NTC. If you stopped focusing on hating Melo, you would ralize that I am arguing the decision to bring over a STAR, experience some success, gut the team because you do not believe in the system, and then give the PLAYER that does not represent the new system a new MAX deal with a NTC.

are you actually able to make a case FOR Melo or is everyone who holds Melo accountable for his poor play just another guy drizzling cum over Jeremy Lin posters? Its literally your go-to for every knock on Melo.

Yeah its weird because i dont recall anybody even mentioning lin for quite a while

Hofstra is not only a verifiable racist when it comes to Asians (it's there for all to see in a series of old posts) but he continues to think it's a fair insult to accuse someone of liking Lin -- a Harvard educated player and religious man who has certainly made the most of his opportunity which statistically speaking was slim to none

How he has remained on this board (not banned) or that people actually respond to him (feeding trolls) is a mystery to me

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I voted Korver - No brainer isn't it?