I was watching that game last night thinking the same damn thing. How do you pick frank over mitchell is beyond stupidity, and this is the FO you trust to draft for your team.

We could have had Rubio (if we traded rose last season) and mitchell as our back court along with KP..That's a FO thats savvy.

We signed Raymond Session, jack, and thj instead..LMAO

SupremeCommander wrote:I called this one... my point was that Mitchell was already close to what we might hope Frank would become... i think we fell in love with measurements more than anything because on paper Frank was certainly appealing. Mitchell is only going to get better. At some point, he'll either make the move to PG or he'll become Dwyane Wade v2

Utah miscued with Exum, makes it up with Mitchell.
They lost Haywood for nothing, made the room for Mitchell when the opportunity presented.
Philly missed with Noel and Oka4, makes it up with simmons and Emiiiiiiiid.
LA takes Russell, Philly takes Oka4, we get KP.
See how this works?
Measurments? You think that's how we decided?
BTW, y'all were on fire for smith or Monk. Mitchell was "Liked", but few are as excited about him as they are after he breaks out.

GustavBahler wrote:If we drafted a rookie PG who put up 15/5/5/1 his first year in the league under a very demanding coach, most here would have been psyched. Thats what Smith jr. did his rookie year, in spite of some posters trying to paint him as an And1 freak show.

If we get Budenholzer, I believe the sky's the limit for Frank. Might even be able to make a PG out of him.

The knock on Smith wasn't if he would be able to put up numbers. He was voted by most to be rookie of the year. The questions around him were about his commitment to defense, his ability to generate wins playing winning bball, his injury history, and supposed character concerns. As you can see those are lot of questions about one player that Knicks couldn't afford to gamble on.

The commitment to defense and ability to play winning bball are still under question. I will say he has proven to be a good character throughout his rookie yr. So he has answered that question so far. And he was able to play 69 games. His previous injuries doesn't seem like a major concern at this point but we will see.

Nalod wrote:I feel bad for some of you.
Lamenting the same thing over and over.......
14 other teams passed on Mitchell. Every year there are guys that do this.
But with you its "Knicks" passed over.

Utah miscued with Exum, makes it up with Mitchell.
They lost Haywood for nothing, made the room for Mitchell when the opportunity presented.
Philly missed with Noel and Oka4, makes it up with simmons and Emiiiiiiiid.
LA takes Russell, Philly takes Oka4, we get KP.
See how this works?
Measurments? You think that's how we decided?
BTW, y'all were on fire for smith or Monk. Mitchell was "Liked", but few are as excited about him as they are after he breaks out.

The importance of Mitchell is that he is the trend of prospect that we should be looking for.

He was a 3 & D prospect with the frame, length, athleticism to play in the NBA. Played in the toughest conference in the NCAA and was basically the franchise player for Louiville on both offense and defense. He only scored 16pts a game so he wasn't viewed as that offensive dynamo that makes you a top 5 pick. But as you can see developing an better offensive arsenal is a lot easier to do than developing all those other tools he had.

This is along the same lines as Frank as a prospect though he wasn't developed as physically strong. And should be the type of prospects we continue to target. Some will miss some will hit. Same as going after the Smiths or the Monks just like the Beasleys and the Derek Williams and Doug Mcdermotts who are offensive monsters coming out of college. Some will hit and some will miss. But 2-way players are the ones winning the chips.

Utah has strictly collected 2-way players. Even picked up Jae Crowder by moving Hood. With Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Crowder, Favors, Gobert. They are created so many turnovers leading to fast break points.

People also take the lazy way and just look at Mitchell and just look at the 33 pts is why Jazz beat Thunder. Rubio had 8 ast, Mitchell and Ingles combined for 8 ast, Crowder had 3 ast. 5 of their 7 man rotation had an assist. They have a lot of motion and passes leading to dunks to combine with them deflecting so many passes in the passing lane.

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Nalod wrote:I feel bad for some of you.
Lamenting the same thing over and over.......
14 other teams passed on Mitchell. Every year there are guys that do this.
But with you its "Knicks" passed over.

Utah miscued with Exum, makes it up with Mitchell.
They lost Haywood for nothing, made the room for Mitchell when the opportunity presented.
Philly missed with Noel and Oka4, makes it up with simmons and Emiiiiiiiid.
LA takes Russell, Philly takes Oka4, we get KP.
See how this works?
Measurments? You think that's how we decided?
BTW, y'all were on fire for smith or Monk. Mitchell was "Liked", but few are as excited about him as they are after he breaks out.

The importance of Mitchell is that he is the trend of prospect that we should be looking for.

He was a 3 & D prospect with the frame, length, athleticism to play in the NBA. Played in the toughest conference in the NCAA and was basically the franchise player for Louiville on both offense and defense. He only scored 16pts a game so he wasn't viewed as that offensive dynamo that makes you a top 5 pick. But as you can see developing an better offensive arsenal is a lot easier to do than developing all those other tools he had.

This is along the same lines as Frank as a prospect though he wasn't developed as physically strong. And should be the type of prospects we continue to target. Some will miss some will hit. Same as going after the Smiths or the Monks just like the Beasleys and the Derek Williams and Doug Mcdermotts who are offensive monsters coming out of college. Some will hit and some will miss. But 2-way players are the ones winning the chips.

Utah has strictly collected 2-way players. Even picked up Jae Crowder by moving Hood. With Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Crowder, Favors, Gobert. They are created so many turnovers leading to fast break points.

People also take the lazy way and just look at Mitchell and just look at the 33 pts is why Jazz beat Thunder. Rubio had 8 ast, Mitchell and Ingles combined for 8 ast, Crowder had 3 ast. 5 of their 7 man rotation had an assist. They have a lot of motion and passes leading to dunks to combine with them deflecting so many passes in the passing lane.

Haywood out and mitchell in, and getting Rubio is not about players but they are pieces in Quinn Snyders system that is not a "culture" in Utah.
Utah looks like freaking Spurs lately! It is to the team and the culture that Mitchell is as successful as he is, not "The pick, length of his arms, etc".
About last night.......
Rubio didn't get into the macho war with Westbrook. Russ looked like he was torqued up in the first period then tried to go into superman mode. PG13 looked angry all game and took stupid shots. Melo, well, lets just say he was not even Olympic Melo!
As announcer said in game Utah plays with a certain "Joy" and took OKC apart in the third with Westbrook in foul trouble.

Rubio on the knicks would be more like Jose Calderon on team than what we saw last night. Besides, Minny didn't want that trade for Rose. They got a much inexpensive more humbled Rose. Last year Minny was not playoff bound.
Rubio is playing in a system. I always liked him and his pass first game. Rubio is successful because the Jazz are well rounded.
In some aspects our first 30 games were very good with Jack and healthy KP. Beas was on the bench and the ball moved well.

Its the combination of both the culture as well as, the pick, length of his arms etc. If it was just culture that anyone would be successful then they wouldn't have to trade up to get Mitchell they could have sat back and taken Frank Jackson with the #28 and expected the same results.

Rubio was one of the best plus minus defenders at the PG position last couple of seasons. Mitchell defensive stud out of the ACC. Don't need to talk about Gobert and Crowder on the defensive end. They play defense, they move the ball and get high % shots, and they are in motion constantly themselves. The length that Mitchell & Gobert & Ingles & Favors all enhance the concepts that they install defensively. While the unselfishness of Rubio, Mitchell, Ingles, Crowder, Favors all enhance the offense. While Goberts constant motor makes up for his lack of offensive playmaking.