martin wrote:

Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nalod saw a Rockets team play a game that Phil Jax would have cringed on. This was the type of chucking he was critical of.
Only GSW has the talent to pull it off and it took a few years to really justify what they do.
When rockets are hot its devastating they can blow teams out with what they do.
Why go away from Capella? The defense was not giving it to them. Eventually they got tired and it all falls a part.
They won 60 games with this and perhaps with a healthy Paul they advance.
That Harden can do this all season long is very impressive.
Nalod does see great validity and admiration for teams that "Lose" the conf. finals. They had a hell of a season and came close. Real close.
Surprised they were as good this season playing that type of ball. Paul made them special.
GSW just has too many weapons. Klay Thompson is amazing shooter and he creates the space for the rest of the team.
Hate them for Durant? I get it. He sprains an ankle in Game one of finals Cav's have a shot.
Vegas has GSW as big favorite. They are.
Fact is Lebron put the cav's in a position to win. That's pretty darn impressive. Lebron has been to finals with 4 different coach's on basically three teams.

Yeah...you are right about Jackson cringing...MDA made no adjustments to compensate for the loss of Paul.

Was this stubbornness on his part? Was it a roster issue...the fact MDA had nobody on the bench he could use to even approximate what Paul could do for the team?

Sucks that Paul was lost for the game, though...doesn't seem right for the basketball gods to do this to him.

I think MDA had few options. Can't tell Eric Gordon to be Chris Paul. You get a 3-2 advantage with HOF PG and a gaudy record when he, Harden and Capella on the floor and you can't replace that. Rockets and MDA had a lead and simply ran out of steam to finish the game in the second half. The game they play looks ugly as hell when the shots stop raining.

what about continuing to pound the harden-capela 2-man game instead of setting trevor ariza up for 9 3-point shots, all missed.

and let's not put it all on trevor, harden and gordon were 4-25 from 3pt land and a collective 17-25 from 2 point land.

ugh. it was so ugly. and so winnable.

martin wrote:

Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nalod saw a Rockets team play a game that Phil Jax would have cringed on. This was the type of chucking he was critical of.
Only GSW has the talent to pull it off and it took a few years to really justify what they do.
When rockets are hot its devastating they can blow teams out with what they do.
Why go away from Capella? The defense was not giving it to them. Eventually they got tired and it all falls a part.
They won 60 games with this and perhaps with a healthy Paul they advance.
That Harden can do this all season long is very impressive.
Nalod does see great validity and admiration for teams that "Lose" the conf. finals. They had a hell of a season and came close. Real close.
Surprised they were as good this season playing that type of ball. Paul made them special.
GSW just has too many weapons. Klay Thompson is amazing shooter and he creates the space for the rest of the team.
Hate them for Durant? I get it. He sprains an ankle in Game one of finals Cav's have a shot.
Vegas has GSW as big favorite. They are.
Fact is Lebron put the cav's in a position to win. That's pretty darn impressive. Lebron has been to finals with 4 different coach's on basically three teams.

Yeah...you are right about Jackson cringing...MDA made no adjustments to compensate for the loss of Paul.

Was this stubbornness on his part? Was it a roster issue...the fact MDA had nobody on the bench he could use to even approximate what Paul could do for the team?

Sucks that Paul was lost for the game, though...doesn't seem right for the basketball gods to do this to him.

I think MDA had few options. Can't tell Eric Gordon to be Chris Paul. You get a 3-2 advantage with HOF PG and a gaudy record when he, Harden and Capella on the floor and you can't replace that. Rockets and MDA had a lead and simply ran out of steam to finish the game in the second half. The game they play looks ugly as hell when the shots stop raining.

what about continuing to pound the harden-capela 2-man game instead of setting trevor ariza up for 9 3-point shots, all missed.

and let's not put it all on trevor, harden and gordon were 4-25 from 3pt land and a collective 17-25 from 2 point land.

I think the issue ultimately boiled down to Harden dribbling so much, being exhausted/ CP3 may have changed that but not sure

the one thing that I don't think gets enough attention is the effect of GS (and any other similar approach) motion offense. It's not just the ball moving; everyone moves, and you need to be on them tight because they all shoot (even the dreadful Draymond Green). It can wear opponents out

It's odd. GS doesn't look like a bunch of juiced up Heat players, but you have to give them credit on their conditioning

Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

Nalod wrote:Nalod saw a Rockets team play a game that Phil Jax would have cringed on. This was the type of chucking he was critical of.
Only GSW has the talent to pull it off and it took a few years to really justify what they do.
When rockets are hot its devastating they can blow teams out with what they do.
Why go away from Capella? The defense was not giving it to them. Eventually they got tired and it all falls a part.
They won 60 games with this and perhaps with a healthy Paul they advance.
That Harden can do this all season long is very impressive.
Nalod does see great validity and admiration for teams that "Lose" the conf. finals. They had a hell of a season and came close. Real close.
Surprised they were as good this season playing that type of ball. Paul made them special.
GSW just has too many weapons. Klay Thompson is amazing shooter and he creates the space for the rest of the team.
Hate them for Durant? I get it. He sprains an ankle in Game one of finals Cav's have a shot.
Vegas has GSW as big favorite. They are.
Fact is Lebron put the cav's in a position to win. That's pretty darn impressive. Lebron has been to finals with 4 different coach's on basically three teams.

Yeah...you are right about Jackson cringing...MDA made no adjustments to compensate for the loss of Paul.

Was this stubbornness on his part? Was it a roster issue...the fact MDA had nobody on the bench he could use to even approximate what Paul could do for the team?

Sucks that Paul was lost for the game, though...doesn't seem right for the basketball gods to do this to him.

I think MDA had few options. Can't tell Eric Gordon to be Chris Paul. You get a 3-2 advantage with HOF PG and a gaudy record when he, Harden and Capella on the floor and you can't replace that. Rockets and MDA had a lead and simply ran out of steam to finish the game in the second half. The game they play looks ugly as hell when the shots stop raining.

what about continuing to pound the harden-capela 2-man game instead of setting trevor ariza up for 9 3-point shots, all missed.

and when the defense starts packing the middle a bit more you take what they give you. Fatigue and the pressure will tighten the schvinctor.
I know we can all be Monday morning quarterbacks but running pick and roll's when the defense is packing it and........Capella can't his a free throw also presents another problem.
Seems that Rockets did take it to the rim a lot and lost their lead. If the outside game was working a bit, that also opens up the middle, so we are back to the chicken or the egg? Like I said, HOF PG breaks its tough to over come. Warriors are less susceptible with Durant-Thompson-Curry if one got hurt.
Harden is not Lebron.

it's a bit shocking for anything that has the word "anal" in it to be bad but here we are...

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im baffled that internet posters such as some of you can with a straight face say MDA, who had a lead in the first half is getting lambasted by "He should have adapted to not having his HOF PG".
One analytic says that without Paul they were toast.
Its open end concept to say they should do something else and think it would have worked. You don't know that.
Its arrogant.

You're shooting more blanks in the playoffs than any other team in NBA history, without a key player. D'Antoni's solution was no solution. Just keep playing like nothing has changed, even while setting a record for bricklaying.

That's arrogant.. Mr. Internet Poster.

You living in some dimension we dont know about? "Some internet posters" LMAO

And your suggesting they do what again? You got a 3-2 lead in the series and HOF PG goes down and all you got is "They should do something different"? They had a double digit lead. Team was gassed. You got nothing. What should they have done?

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im baffled that internet posters such as some of you can with a straight face say MDA, who had a lead in the first half is getting lambasted by "He should have adapted to not having his HOF PG".
One analytic says that without Paul they were toast.
Its open end concept to say they should do something else and think it would have worked. You don't know that.
Its arrogant.

You're shooting more blanks in the playoffs than any other team in NBA history, without a key player. D'Antoni's solution was no solution. Just keep playing like nothing has changed, even while setting a record for bricklaying.

That's arrogant.. Mr. Internet Poster.

You living in some dimension we dont know about? "Some internet posters" LMAO

And your suggesting they do what again? You got a 3-2 lead in the series and HOF PG goes down and all you got is "They should do something different"? They had a double digit lead. Team was gassed. You got nothing. What should they have done?

They were jacking up 3pt shots. Shouldnt have to explain to you that there is no rule that says they have to keep shooting 3s as much as they did, when they're missing at a record clip.

Emphasizing post play was an option that DAntoni didnt even consider. It would have forced GS to pay less attention to 3pt defense, and more attention to interior D. He wouldnt have it. Dogmatic.

You can list 1,000 things and be right cuz they lost the game.
But would it have worked? You don't know. Neither do I. But one of us is not pretending.

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im baffled that internet posters such as some of you can with a straight face say MDA, who had a lead in the first half is getting lambasted by "He should have adapted to not having his HOF PG".
One analytic says that without Paul they were toast.
Its open end concept to say they should do something else and think it would have worked. You don't know that.
Its arrogant.

You're shooting more blanks in the playoffs than any other team in NBA history, without a key player. D'Antoni's solution was no solution. Just keep playing like nothing has changed, even while setting a record for bricklaying.

That's arrogant.. Mr. Internet Poster.

You living in some dimension we dont know about? "Some internet posters" LMAO

And your suggesting they do what again? You got a 3-2 lead in the series and HOF PG goes down and all you got is "They should do something different"? They had a double digit lead. Team was gassed. You got nothing. What should they have done?

They were jacking up 3pt shots. Shouldnt have to explain to you that there is no rule that says they have to keep shooting 3s as much as they did, when they're missing at a record clip.

Emphasizing post play was an option that DAntoni didnt even consider. It would have forced GS to pay less attention to 3pt defense, and more attention to interior D. He wouldnt have it. Dogmatic.

You can list 1,000 things and be right cuz they lost the game.
But would it have worked? You don't know. Neither do I. But one of us is not pretending.

Get a new deck Nalod, you wore out that card a long time ago.

Not doing conspiracy or sneakers sales as determined by the Ref. Harden lost his wingman.
GSW has three.

plan worked in first half and he had GSW off rhythm. He needed them to lose composure, they did not. Harden wore down. The shots did not fall.
Record with CP3 is amazing. Without less so. GSW is a hell of a team. Rockets came close. Paul breaks in the playoffs. not the fist time.

djsunyc wrote:imho, analytics destroyed baseball and is doing the same to basketball.

it's a bit shocking for anything that has the word "anal" in it to be bad but here we are...

there’s no room for this kind of vulgarity and filth on this board.
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we’ll give dj a pass on this one because frankly . . .
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he got a little swept away.
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bwahahahahahaha!!

Marv wrote:

Nalod wrote:Im baffled that internet posters such as some of you can with a straight face say MDA, who had a lead in the first half is getting lambasted by "He should have adapted to not having his HOF PG".
One analytic says that without Paul they were toast.
Its open end concept to say they should do something else and think it would have worked. You don't know that.
Its arrogant.

not so sure about all this. it’s hard to see anyone watching the game not noticing that a more balanced attack was favoring houston and that abandoning the 2-man game of harden/capela in favor of indiscriminate unsuccesful 3-point chucking led to hoston falling apart.