Nalod wrote:Never ever, never ever!!
You might be right. Kid is Tyreke and Demarr at the same age. might take a while to beat it out of him.
Its hard to watch. like most subjects with knicks:
"we hate what it is, and can't see what it might be so we deduct it never will".
Its the core of most of the debates I engage in. My hope lies in the process of opportunities increases our "luck".
If Mudiay is a lost cause, I have no problem moving on. Its easy to slam him on what our eyeballs are seeing. On one hand we see frank doing so many good things but shooting and we want him to shoot more. WIth Mudiay he is like a crack head gone while and won't stop!!!!!
I don't know how you fix a kid like that, but that does not mean he can't improve.

Tyreke had his best year his rookie year and Derozan was already really good by year 2. Mudiay just stinks--Id take that 44 pick if I could--well find a better player thre no doubt--but alas its gonzo

BRIGGS wrote:

Nalod wrote:Never ever, never ever!!
You might be right. Kid is Tyreke and Demarr at the same age. might take a while to beat it out of him.
Its hard to watch. like most subjects with knicks:
"we hate what it is, and can't see what it might be so we deduct it never will".
Its the core of most of the debates I engage in. My hope lies in the process of opportunities increases our "luck".
If Mudiay is a lost cause, I have no problem moving on. Its easy to slam him on what our eyeballs are seeing. On one hand we see frank doing so many good things but shooting and we want him to shoot more. WIth Mudiay he is like a crack head gone while and won't stop!!!!!
I don't know how you fix a kid like that, but that does not mean he can't improve.

Tyreke had his best year his rookie year and Derozan was already really good by year 2. Mudiay just stinks--Id take that 44 pick if I could--well find a better player thre no doubt--but alas its gonzo

Im not statistically speaking, they were wild.
Mudiay I agree should be further along.
He stinks, the question is can he be rehabbed?

Knixkik wrote:Good gamble, but Mudiay is terrible.

Yeah he his. But we still have another year. Let's see what he can do in full off-season before.

SupremeCommander wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:I wish we had traded for Payton. Oh well

That said, while Mudiay does look like a scrub, I don't mind that Perry and Mills grabbed multiple failed lotto pick PGs

We trade for Payton and we're looking at a possible $30 million+ a year backcourt with him and Hardaway. I like Payton too, but I don't like the idea of investing that much for a team that will still suck.

I don't disagree with what you said but why sign Hardaway in the first place if you aren't looking to add to the roster?

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Good gamble, but Mudiay is terrible.

Yeah he his. But we still have another year. Let's see what he can do in full off-season before.

Yeah i'll be patient with him, but concerned because he is so poor on both sides of the ball. I wish he had one skill that stood out, given he's about to finish year 3. I thought he was a better scorer than he is. I didn't realize he can't shoot or finish. Defense i knew was bad.

I watched Dotson the other day, and he gives us what Mudiay gives us, but with a higher ceiling and better shooting. But they both have that hang in the air approach, when attacking the rim. I agree on passing up Mudiay, unless we need him for depth. He's still young and hungry, just not as skilled as I would like.

I would give him an off season and see if that makes a difference, before I chuck him for rocks....Due to his age alone, he still have value.

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Good gamble, but Mudiay is terrible.

Yeah he his. But we still have another year. Let's see what he can do in full off-season before.

Yeah i'll be patient with him, but concerned because he is so poor on both sides of the ball. I wish he had one skill that stood out, given he's about to finish year 3. I thought he was a better scorer than he is. I didn't realize he can't shoot or finish. Defense i knew was bad.

He really doesnt look like he gives a sht--which is a killer.

reub wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Good gamble, but Mudiay is terrible.

Yeah he his. But we still have another year. Let's see what he can do in full off-season before.

Yeah i'll be patient with him, but concerned because he is so poor on both sides of the ball. I wish he had one skill that stood out, given he's about to finish year 3. I thought he was a better scorer than he is. I didn't realize he can't shoot or finish. Defense i knew was bad.

I watched Dotson the other day, and he gives us what Mudiay gives us, but with a higher ceiling and better shooting. But they both have that hang in the air approach, when attacking the rim. I agree on passing up Mudiay, unless we need him for depth. He's still young and hungry, just not as skilled as I would like.

I would give him an off season and see if that makes a difference, before I chuck him for rocks....Due to his age alone, he still have value.

Next year will tell the story for Mudiay. We should give him plenty of time in the G league to figure it out with no pressure. It worked for Burke.

Burke had a nasty injury and the reboot was not just about humility, he needed to play!
Mudiay is playing and in my view him playing this way but down a level won't really discipline his game.
My take is when rookies are playing well you leave them in but once they deviate from the plan you yank them. Only quality minutes. He needs to play with a "Collar" on him if its short minutes, so be it.
But Im not a pro coach. I'd like to think the knicks brass and coaches see something. Maybe its not sinking in yet, or he needs to rebuild his fundamentals on that shot.

GustavBahler wrote:I had a bad feeling when Mudiay blamed all the time he spent on the bench recently for his lack of conditioning. Like a benching is a free pass to put on lbs. Too big to shy away from contact at the rim. For a second rounder, it was worth a look since this was his first new team since getting drafted.

Shy away from contact.....Is a generational problem. This isn't the 80s anymore. Guards like that Euro, slow, change direction mid flight move. Kyrie does it a lot. I saw Dotson do a similar move. It's looks slower with Mudiay because he's bigger and slower....and his moves are slow....Nothing quick about him. But he plays down hill and has straight line acceleration (difference from shifty lateral quickness). So his age and ability to attack the rim is valuable. Pulling up away from contact is a habit he will mostly keep doing, unless he does a complete 180 over the break. But that's his style, love it or hate it. Just like nobody will tell Kyrie to attack the defender. Mudiay is the same way. He rather attack but avoid the defender with Euro step moves. Just a different style of play.