Right now Beasley is showing off whenever he shows up... if we kept him and added a legit starting small fwd.... with the bench we'd still have... how good is that?

Beasley, Mikal Bridges, KP, Burke and Hardaway???

I mean mix it up how you like... the point is we kinda have the center, point guard and shooting guard set. We are two premium starters away from putting out a competitive starting 5

I cant believe we are 3-27 in our last 30 games, maybe we win 7 of those games with kp, thats not encouraging by any stretch of the imagination

EnySpree wrote:...a healthy KP, and 2 strong forwards....

Right now Beasley is showing off whenever he shows up... if we kept him and added a legit starting small fwd.... with the bench we'd still have... how good is that?

Beasley, Mikal Bridges, KP, Burke and Hardaway???

I mean mix it up how you like... the point is we kinda have the center, point guard and shooting guard set. We are two premium starters away from putting out a competitive starting 5

New York Knicks: Jeff Hornacek identifies ideal backcourt combination
by Maxwell Ogden19 hours agoFollow @MaxwellOgden

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The New York Knicks have an abundance of backcourt depth, but head coach Jeff Hornacek believes he’s found an ideal backcourt.
The New York Knicks have a backcourt that’s flush with recognizable names and long-term potential. Trey Burke, Emmanuel Mudiay, and Frank Ntilikina are former top-10 draft picks at point guard, and Tim Hardaway Jr. and Courtney Lee are starting-caliber shooting guards.

As the Knicks continue to explore the untapped potential at the lead spot, head coach Jeff Hornacek appears to have identified the ideal backcourt combination to help him do so.

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By near necessity, New York has utilized Hardaway and Lee as small forwards in 2017-18. That’s enabled Hornacek to turn back the clocks to his Phoenix Suns days and utilize multiple point guards at one time.

According to Ian Begley of ESPN New York, Hornacek believes that Burke and Ntilikina have formed the Knicks’ best backcourt combination in recent weeks.

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Jeff Hornacek assessing his guards: "Overall it seems when Frank (Ntilikina) and Trey (Burke) have been in, it's been the best combination.”

The sample size is relatively small, but Hornacek isn’t wrong about the quality of play that Burke and Ntilikina have provided.

New York has run 509 possessions with Ntilikina and Burke on the court together. They’ve been outscored by 4.5 points per 100 possessions, but the Knicks’ net rating has been -8.0 since Burke’s season debut on Jan. 15.

In other words: New York has played better when Burke and Ntilikina have shared the court—namely over the course of the past few weeks.

Over the course of the past eight games, New York is holding opponents to just 101.1 points per 100 possessions when Burke and Ntilikina share the court.

During that time, Burke has averaged 18.6 points and 5.6 assists in just 27.3 minutes per game. Within that same window, Ntilikina has produced a career-best scoring performance, three games with at least 10 points, and a slew of outings during which his defense has been heralded.

There’s no telling if this backcourt duo will actually lead the Knicks back to prominence, but for the time being, it seems to be working for New York.

The question is: Will Trey Burke and Frank Ntilikina be able to prove that they can share a backcourt for the New York Knicks in the long term?

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Beasely, kp and THJ are mad inconsistent, when thier shots dont fall there goes the rest of thier game...i like all of them but its tough to depend on any of them on a nightly basis..

I cant believe we are 3-27 in our last 30 games, maybe we win 7 of those games with kp, thats not encouraging by any stretch of the imagination

We don't have enough talent on the court.... that's why I'm saying if we add 2 premium forwards to this mix we'd actually be pretty good... all of our guys are too inconsistent because that are being over used... adding 2 quality guys to that starting mix and pressure is relieved. We're very close to achieving this

Paris907 wrote:It’s fine at season end to put up #s. Beas, and Hardaway are offensive players and Burke is as well. All three can put the ball in the hole. Yet None play D. If HRdaway were the 4th best player we’d be Fine. If all three were off The bench they would terrorize second units. Yet none of them are Prime Choice, two way, 4th Quarter 50+ win material. Burke may yet improve and he may be a keeper.

If you're saying Burke isn't playing D then you're not watching the games and there's no disputing that. Is Burke ever gonna make the all defensive team? Nope but he has been playing pretty good defense since he's been here especially since he's been starting. I hate when people say players don't play defense because every single player plays defense it's just that some aren't good at it and don't give max effort, some give good effort at times and some just play the minimal amount of defense you possibly can and Burke is in the middle.

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Beasely, kp and THJ are mad inconsistent, when thier shots dont fall there goes the rest of thier game...i like all of them but its tough to depend on any of them on a nightly basis..

I cant believe we are 3-27 in our last 30 games, maybe we win 7 of those games with kp, thats not encouraging by any stretch of the imagination

We don't have enough talent on the court.... that's why I'm saying if we add 2 premium forwards to this mix we'd actually be pretty good... all of our guys are too inconsistent because that are being over used... adding 2 quality guys to that starting mix and pressure is relieved. We're very close to achieving this

Yeah this is basketball, not the NFL. It only takes a couple of quality additions to make a HUGE impact and change the dynamics of how a team plays.

unless we're adding a Lebron or Michael Jordan talent- then we're still going to suck and continue to stink for the next few years.

We're not 1 or 2 players away unless the 1 or 2 are Lebron/MJ type talents.

franco12 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Beasely, kp and THJ are mad inconsistent, when thier shots dont fall there goes the rest of thier game...i like all of them but its tough to depend on any of them on a nightly basis..

I cant believe we are 3-27 in our last 30 games, maybe we win 7 of those games with kp, thats not encouraging by any stretch of the imagination

We don't have enough talent on the court.... that's why I'm saying if we add 2 premium forwards to this mix we'd actually be pretty good... all of our guys are too inconsistent because that are being over used... adding 2 quality guys to that starting mix and pressure is relieved. We're very close to achieving this

Yeah this is basketball, not the NFL. It only takes a couple of quality additions to make a HUGE impact and change the dynamics of how a team plays.

unless we're adding a Lebron or Michael Jordan talent- then we're still going to suck and continue to stink for the next few years.

We're not 1 or 2 players away unless the 1 or 2 are Lebron/MJ type talents.

So we're not even 2 good players away from being in the playoffs? Wow so maybe we should just drink a gallon of bleach as we jump off the Brooklyn bridge

EnySpree wrote:

Paris907 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

Paris907 wrote:It’s fine at season end to put up #s. Beas, and Hardaway are offensive players and Burke is as well. All three can put the ball in the hole. Yet None play D. If HRdaway were the 4th best player we’d be Fine. If all three were off The bench they would terrorize second units. Yet none of them are Prime Choice, two way, 4th Quarter 50+ win material. Burke may yet improve and he may be a keeper.

If you're saying Burke isn't playing D then you're not watching the games and there's no disputing that. Is Burke ever gonna make the all defensive team? Nope but he has been playing pretty good defense since he's been here especially since he's been starting. I hate when people say players don't play defense because every single player plays defense it's just that some aren't good at it and don't give max effort, some give good effort at times and some just play the minimal amount of defense you possibly can and Burke is in the middle.

I’m saying he’s making the effort yet think of the context. It’s not just about effort. He’s a small guard and offensively minded. Think if we were in the playoffs and it’s Boston, or Golden State or a solid defensive team. Teams are allowing us to score knowing they can tie us up in the 4th. Trading baskets ain’t where it’s at. Cp3 plays great defense for a small guard as does Marcus Smart and others. Team defense matters too. When this team ultimately wins it will be because they’ve stoppers-someone as good at the rim as KP and as solid as a rock like Kawhi. Maybe Frank grows into a borderline allstar but simply trying and trading hoops aint gonna cut it.

Man you are full of ****... he's making the effort but think if the context? Come on man. Simply trying ain't gonna cut it? You clearly don't watch games. You just a Frank groupie. Trying to make people believe that the hope of a player playing well is better than a guy that actually is.

Same ole juvenile crap from you EnY. I can give you argument but I can’t give you an understanding. You’re a die hard fan and so am I. I appreciate your limitations and they are abundant. I’m not a frank groupie but any stretch but I do see the potential. The pinnacle for you is Hardaway Enes and Burke and Beas taking us to 500. I am not satisfied with that. Until and unless you’ve 8 guys playing superior defense and 2 of them perrenial all stars, talk to me about how great Burke is.
Of all the folks that comment here, you are consistent only in your lack of ability to think with clarity. Again EnY thanks for being a fan and your enthusiasm is appreciated.

EnySpree wrote:

franco12 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Beasely, kp and THJ are mad inconsistent, when thier shots dont fall there goes the rest of thier game...i like all of them but its tough to depend on any of them on a nightly basis..

I cant believe we are 3-27 in our last 30 games, maybe we win 7 of those games with kp, thats not encouraging by any stretch of the imagination

We don't have enough talent on the court.... that's why I'm saying if we add 2 premium forwards to this mix we'd actually be pretty good... all of our guys are too inconsistent because that are being over used... adding 2 quality guys to that starting mix and pressure is relieved. We're very close to achieving this

Yeah this is basketball, not the NFL. It only takes a couple of quality additions to make a HUGE impact and change the dynamics of how a team plays.

unless we're adding a Lebron or Michael Jordan talent- then we're still going to suck and continue to stink for the next few years.

We're not 1 or 2 players away unless the 1 or 2 are Lebron/MJ type talents.

So we're not even 2 good players away from being in the playoffs? Wow so maybe we should just drink a gallon of bleach as we jump off the Brooklyn bridge

define good player?

And yes - because Frank is at least 2-3 years away from having an impact.

KP is likely out most of next year and realistically a year or two away from having a main impact.

Not jumping off a bridge - but realistic about how far away we are.