Mike1989 wrote:Nalod wrote:Gruden won a Super Bowl and is/was charismatic. JVG was about to get fire but took team to improbable finals in strike short season that even he could not slow down!
He got a two year extension automatically kicked in. Irony was one of Grunfeld or JVG had to go as they were at odds.
THat aside JVG was a very good coach but was he ever elite? HE might be attractive because he long for the “good old days”? Hs tenure with the rockets was snake bit by injuries.
Gruden did win a Super Bowl on the back of Tony Dungy's work in Tampa. After that season, Gruden never matched the same heights his win-loss record was 45-51 and only made the play offs twice and got beat in the wild card round. The guy was charismatic and an offensive guru, but there is debate over how much he benefited from the foundation that Tony Dungy set in Tampa. Anyway that's another thing entirely!
I'm not sure I would class JVG as an elite coach, but he was a very good head coach and that can be enough if he knows how to get this team back on track towards being a play off team and potentially a contender. For me, he is a decent option if we are going for a retread NBA head coach, but our front office should be open minded when making the hire and consider all options. If they make the right hire they need to stick with them and be patient and let them build this team, otherwise we'll be looking for a new head coach in a couple of seasons time again.
He was good enough to push the Bucs over the top. Look up how many pts the Bucs scored under Dungy in the playoffs the last 3 years. He was too conservative. Gruden took more chances. People also forget that the second half of the season, Brad Johnson outplayed the eventual MVP, Gannon. Doubt that would have happened with Dungy's offense. Bucs also got Simeon Rice which made an already elite D one of the best ever.
Having said that, no way they get there without the foundation that Dungy laid. RJS stadium would not have been built, even the pewter uniform, from the orange creamsicle.
Gruden, after the Super Bowl, instead of retooling with younger players, brought in retreads who couldnt stay healthy. Got more conservative on offense, in spite of the huge plastic card he carried with him during games. He wasnt known as a developer of talent, which is ironic considering his former TV show on ESPN.
Nalod, Im not so sure Gruden is going to make it this time. He has openly rejected any advancement in the game, including advanced stats. Marginalizing them because your way is working is one thing, but coming back to the league after all these years, and not using all the tools at your disposal, doesnt sound like a recipe for success.