martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:There are crazy fans everywhere.... through my experience most NBA fans just like individual players. They will get into heated arguments about individual players.... not so much teams. If they are a fan if the team they just enjoy the Jersey really. Losing is not a big deal outside of new York.... also every fan loves to bash the Knicks. You will find a million knick haters in Dallas before you find a Dallas hater.

I've never heard that before, liking just players over a team.

We may be more focused on discussing players on a team OVER team v team, but my take was that fans like teams more so than players

Other fans are different than we are. We go to war about everything. Say like a Miami fan... half of them don't even know who's on the team. They don't talk about wheeling and dealing like we do.... but they will debate with knick fans about how much we suck or that LeBron is better than Jordan.... that type of thing. No such thing as a diehard heat fan in the way that we call ourselves diehard knick fans

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas has been one of the more successful franchises since Dirks like 2nd-3rd yr in the league. They have built up a lot of equity. They are probably due for a couple yrs in the lottery as everyone goes though from time to time.

Rondo trade was an outright fiasco!
Barnes got big money!
Norlens trade a big dud. Thankfully for them the kid rejected the contract.
Carlisle is tough. Good for him!
DeAndre jordan free agent signing was a debacle.
Sometimes we think we the only team that is not a mess.

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas has been one of the more successful franchises since Dirks like 2nd-3rd yr in the league. They have built up a lot of equity. They are probably due for a couple yrs in the lottery as everyone goes though from time to time.

This!!!...They had a run over Dirks prime years of multiple 50+ wins, deep playoff runs and a championship. Difficult to maintain that level especially when your franchise player gets old. Either way, Knick fans would kill for a run like that...

Uptown wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas has been one of the more successful franchises since Dirks like 2nd-3rd yr in the league. They have built up a lot of equity. They are probably due for a couple yrs in the lottery as everyone goes though from time to time.

This!!!...They had a run over Dirks prime years of multiple 50+ wins, deep playoff runs and a championship. Difficult to maintain that level especially when your franchise player gets old. Either way, Knick fans would kill for a run like that...

Remember, Dallas picked 5th and took Robert "tractor" Traylor, traded him for Dirk who Milwaukee took at 9th and the rights to Pat Garrity (picked 19th). Pat played 9 years avged 13 and 5. Nice career. He was traded as part of the deal that Mavs made to get Steve Nash from PHX.
Also remember Dirk needed some time to mature. We forget other teams and their fans use something called "patience". This unique phenomena requires a familiarity with history and intelligence when it applies to fans of sports teams. Traylor was a bust and the end of the fat guy fad was soon to end.

Garity, Muursap, bubba wells and no. 1 pick that turned into Shawn marion.
A bit of history, The Suns send Anfernee Hardaway, Stephon Marbury and Cezary Trybanski to the New York Knicks for Charlie Ward, Antonio McDyess, Howard Eisley, Maciej Lampe, Milos Vujanic, a 2004 first round pick (Kirk Snyder) and a 2010 first round pick (Gordon Hayward). Suns then have cap space to sign Nash as a free agent where he becomes a twice MVP.
The Vujanic Era was awesome!!!

Lampe? Funny, he is still only 33 and played in China this past season.

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:Dallas has been one of the more successful franchises since Dirks like 2nd-3rd yr in the league. They have built up a lot of equity. They are probably due for a couple yrs in the lottery as everyone goes though from time to time.

Rondo trade was an outright fiasco!
Barnes got big money!
Norlens trade a big dud. Thankfully for them the kid rejected the contract.
Carlisle is tough. Good for him!
DeAndre jordan free agent signing was a debacle.
Sometimes we think we the only team that is not a mess.

You forgot to mention all of the sexual harassment stuff that is careening through the FO

Dirk has probably allowed them to get away with a lot of their flaws due to the success they were able to achieve.

They got rid of Nash to early. Have overpaid for players like Parsons, Barnes, Matthews. To add to the list that Nalod started.

But like Blexec stated they take football way more serious than bball in TX. They don't have the pressure NY does.

Uptown wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:There are crazy fans everywhere.... through my experience most NBA fans just like individual players. They will get into heated arguments about individual players.... not so much teams. If they are a fan if the team they just enjoy the Jersey really. Losing is not a big deal outside of new York.... also every fan loves to bash the Knicks. You will find a million knick haters in Dallas before you find a Dallas hater.

I've never heard that before, liking just players over a team.

We may be more focused on discussing players on a team OVER team v team, but my take was that fans like teams more so than players

Other fans are different than we are. We go to war about everything. Say like a Miami fan... half of them don't even know who's on the team. They don't talk about wheeling and dealing like we do.... but they will debate with knick fans about how much we suck or that LeBron is better than Jordan.... that type of thing. No such thing as a diehard heat fan in the way that we call ourselves diehard knick fans

I agree with ENY.

Most NBA fans I know do have a certain team that they look out for but, for the most part, they are following certain players and rooting for whatever team they are currently on.

I know PLENTY of Knick fans who are still Knick fans, but now follow OKC since the Melo trade. Same when Durant left to GS..Wade ended up Cleveland, etc.,

100%...This new generation of sports fans are different...I teach in a HS and most if not all of my students follow players (KD, Lebron, Lillard, etc) but are not fans of the team...

Things are different. I just can't wear another teams gear. I can't wear another players signature shoe if they are a rival to my team. As a kid I didn't wear Jordan's because of that. I didn't buy Barkleys sneakers because of his beef with Oakley. I wouldn't even wear other team hats... if I did it would just be a Yankees hat but in a different color lol. Now it doesn't matter. It's more idolizing whoever is hot. Like LeBron is the best player, but **** that dude man. Just because im a fan.... but you get labeled a hater if you do that now.

You know I stopped following Melo on social media immediately after we traded him? Why? He's not a knick anymore. I don't care about what he's doing now. That's just how I am. I'm not thinking of McDerm either for that matter. I'm Knicks all day