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reub
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3/5/2018  12:01 PM
franco12 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
franco12 wrote:how come Dotson isn't playing? If he isn't good enough to play garbage minutes at this point of the season, what kind of scouting/drafting dept do we have? Someone should be fired!

This isn’t about scouting or drafting this is about communications between management and coach. If the message isn’t sent to the coach about playing certain players the coach will continue to try and win with vets. JH isn’t feeling secure enough with his job so he will not play certain players. Management hasn’t given him an endorsement that he will be back.

If that is the case, then that is, in my opinion, even worse!

However, I think the problem is Dotson just isn't ready. I get that, but I had higher expectations.

Well then play him some decent minutes and help to get him ready. Isn't that what development means this late in a season where we are out of it?

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3/5/2018  7:27 PM
reub wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
franco12 wrote:how come Dotson isn't playing? If he isn't good enough to play garbage minutes at this point of the season, what kind of scouting/drafting dept do we have? Someone should be fired!

This isn’t about scouting or drafting this is about communications between management and coach. If the message isn’t sent to the coach about playing certain players the coach will continue to try and win with vets. JH isn’t feeling secure enough with his job so he will not play certain players. Management hasn’t given him an endorsement that he will be back.

If that is the case, then that is, in my opinion, even worse!

However, I think the problem is Dotson just isn't ready. I get that, but I had higher expectations.

Well then play him some decent minutes and help to get him ready. Isn't that what development means this late in a season where we are out of it?

I think our coach thinks we are still "in it" - he is going around appealing to people's pride, instead of focusing on playing people like Dotson. At this point one of Timmy and Lee should be rested each game.

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3/7/2018  9:45 AM
Pretty disappointed if our Knicks trade
Dotson, he gets no looks as roster spot

He has a rep for defense and keen shooter.

What this tells Knicks fans is that:

1. They have NO interest in developing or
Giving young players a chance to grow.

2. The mgmt is clueless to few blueprints
Of successful NBA teams in establishing an
Identity of skills which players can succeed
Thus learn to wok!

3. Dotson being out of mix, unfairly is
Another shot at Coach Jeff H,, staff to
Show they need to hit exit door prior to
NBA June 2018 draft.

Whole NBA is young like most pro sports
Our guys like Steve mills should see that
for past yrs. If Knicks brass don't correct
1-3 above, we will continue to be most disrespected
Pro team where NO ONE! Will want NY as place
To play hoops.

New York era has been great for youth, talents
And prominence in sports and our ownership and
$$ management is doing their own thing.

Not yet impressed by Perry,Mills, or Knicks
Front office for lack of developing young
Guys and seeking talent in areas where other
Teams fill some needs fine.

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3/7/2018  11:11 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:Pretty disappointed if our Knicks trade
Dotson, he gets no looks as roster spot

He has a rep for defense and keen shooter.

What this tells Knicks fans is that:

1. They have NO interest in developing or
Giving young players a chance to grow.

2. The mgmt is clueless to few blueprints
Of successful NBA teams in establishing an
Identity of skills which players can succeed
Thus learn to wok!

3. Dotson being out of mix, unfairly is
Another shot at Coach Jeff H,, staff to
Show they need to hit exit door prior to
NBA June 2018 draft.

Whole NBA is young like most pro sports
Our guys like Steve mills should see that
for past yrs. If Knicks brass don't correct
1-3 above, we will continue to be most disrespected
Pro team where NO ONE! Will want NY as place
To play hoops.

New York era has been great for youth, talents
And prominence in sports and our ownership and
$$ management is doing their own thing.

Not yet impressed by Perry,Mills, or Knicks
Front office for lack of developing young
Guys and seeking talent in areas where other
Teams fill some needs fine.

I disagree on some points. I do think we are very committed to yoots. We are talking about Clee and Lance at this point getting minutes. Some fans are not happy that Frank was getting minutes as he was. We have bought up Burke, kept Dotson who has not really shown a whole lot (was a 4 year player). In his place is Troy Williams. Baker was a nice addition last year. This year was a disaster but it was a disaster in the realm of YOUTH! Certainly his ankle injury in training camp took him out of the season and he has had nothing but setbacks. Defensive kid who runs the offense was looking good there for a while. Not sure if he put on too much muscle and lost some quickness? Bad luck? or he just plain is not up to the NBA level?
Timmy has elevated his game and he can play to his contract. There is more to say about this but im being general.
As for the culture, we are in the infancy of the post Phil Era and I suppose it takes time to undo the two decades of harm done.
Im not impressed either but im pleased we moved on from Melo and are rebooting.
Seems like we were able to suck for years and yet had few picks and were strapped via the cap as ambitious plans failed.
THis is very different than any other attempt.

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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3/8/2018  12:52 AM
franco12 wrote:
Vmart wrote:
franco12 wrote:how come Dotson isn't playing? If he isn't good enough to play garbage minutes at this point of the season, what kind of scouting/drafting dept do we have? Someone should be fired!

This isn’t about scouting or drafting this is about communications between management and coach. If the message isn’t sent to the coach about playing certain players the coach will continue to try and win with vets. JH isn’t feeling secure enough with his job so he will not play certain players. Management hasn’t given him an endorsement that he will be back.

If that is the case, then that is, in my opinion, even worse!

However, I think the problem is Dotson just isn't ready. I get that, but I had higher expectations.

After watching Mudiay chuck up brick after brick after air ball, I scoff at this! How did Mudiay get pushed to the head of the PG line anyway???

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DJMUSIC
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3/8/2018  2:22 AM
Nalod wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Pretty disappointed if our Knicks trade
Dotson, he gets no looks as roster spot

He has a rep for defense and keen shooter.

What this tells Knicks fans is that:

1. They have NO interest in developing or
Giving young players a chance to grow.

2. The mgmt is clueless to few blueprints
Of successful NBA teams in establishing an
Identity of skills which players can succeed
Thus learn to wok!

3. Dotson being out of mix, unfairly is
Another shot at Coach Jeff H,, staff to
Show they need to hit exit door prior to
NBA June 2018 draft.

Whole NBA is young like most pro sports
Our guys like Steve mills should see that
for past yrs. If Knicks brass don't correct
1-3 above, we will continue to be most disrespected
Pro team where NO ONE! Will want NY as place
To play hoops.

New York era has been great for youth, talents
And prominence in sports and our ownership and
$$ management is doing their own thing.

Not yet impressed by Perry,Mills, or Knicks
Front office for lack of developing young
Guys and seeking talent in areas where other
Teams fill some needs fine.

I disagree on some points. I do think we are very committed to yoots. We are talking about Clee and Lance at this point getting minutes. Some fans are not happy that Frank was getting minutes as he was. We have bought up Burke, kept Dotson who has not really shown a whole lot (was a 4 year player). In his place is Troy Williams. Baker was a nice addition last year. This year was a disaster but it was a disaster in the realm of YOUTH! Certainly his ankle injury in training camp took him out of the season and he has had nothing but setbacks. Defensive kid who runs the offense was looking good there for a while. Not sure if he put on too much muscle and lost some quickness? Bad luck? or he just plain is not up to the NBA level?
Timmy has elevated his game and he can play to his contract. There is more to say about this but im being general.
As for the culture, we are in the infancy of the post Phil Era and I suppose it takes time to undo the two decades of harm done.
Im not impressed either but im pleased we moved on from Melo and are rebooting.
Seems like we were able to suck for years and yet had few picks and were strapped via the cap as ambitious plans failed.
THis is very different than any other attempt.

Then why trade Dotson Or have talks?
what will he bring back? nothing like in the Willy Gomez deal.

My point was instead of these
"Re-threads" Courtney Lees, J.Jacks, ect
get Dotson on the floor, he barely been here < few months. I am not saying the kid can be a star
especially drafted at lower end of draft.

I think you're correct we see some players /youth playing on Knicks.

But I believe if you got 1st year guys like G Frank N. and Dotson, may as well explore their youth and see how they handle
pressure.

But don't we want to see what these guys can do with pro experience
for Our Knick team tanking faster than the Titantic (sorry poor example forgive me)

Before we deal Dotson for another re-thread, how about playing him/bring him into Knicks
losing season. It may be good experience plus we're not playing for even locking up draft position. We're set.

Dotson can shoot and play/leard D'
Is that a Bad thing?
Oh I've forgot coach Jeff does not like Defense Or shooters.

*scratch idea

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Nalod
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3/8/2018  9:01 AM
DJMUSIC wrote:
Nalod wrote:
DJMUSIC wrote:Pretty disappointed if our Knicks trade
Dotson, he gets no looks as roster spot

He has a rep for defense and keen shooter.

What this tells Knicks fans is that:

1. They have NO interest in developing or
Giving young players a chance to grow.

2. The mgmt is clueless to few blueprints
Of successful NBA teams in establishing an
Identity of skills which players can succeed
Thus learn to wok!

3. Dotson being out of mix, unfairly is
Another shot at Coach Jeff H,, staff to
Show they need to hit exit door prior to
NBA June 2018 draft.

Whole NBA is young like most pro sports
Our guys like Steve mills should see that
for past yrs. If Knicks brass don't correct
1-3 above, we will continue to be most disrespected
Pro team where NO ONE! Will want NY as place
To play hoops.

New York era has been great for youth, talents
And prominence in sports and our ownership and
$$ management is doing their own thing.

Not yet impressed by Perry,Mills, or Knicks
Front office for lack of developing young
Guys and seeking talent in areas where other
Teams fill some needs fine.

I disagree on some points. I do think we are very committed to yoots. We are talking about Clee and Lance at this point getting minutes. Some fans are not happy that Frank was getting minutes as he was. We have bought up Burke, kept Dotson who has not really shown a whole lot (was a 4 year player). In his place is Troy Williams. Baker was a nice addition last year. This year was a disaster but it was a disaster in the realm of YOUTH! Certainly his ankle injury in training camp took him out of the season and he has had nothing but setbacks. Defensive kid who runs the offense was looking good there for a while. Not sure if he put on too much muscle and lost some quickness? Bad luck? or he just plain is not up to the NBA level?
Timmy has elevated his game and he can play to his contract. There is more to say about this but im being general.
As for the culture, we are in the infancy of the post Phil Era and I suppose it takes time to undo the two decades of harm done.
Im not impressed either but im pleased we moved on from Melo and are rebooting.
Seems like we were able to suck for years and yet had few picks and were strapped via the cap as ambitious plans failed.
THis is very different than any other attempt.

Then why trade Dotson Or have talks?
what will he bring back? nothing like in the Willy Gomez deal.

My point was instead of these
"Re-threads" Courtney Lees, J.Jacks, ect
get Dotson on the floor, he barely been here < few months. I am not saying the kid can be a star
especially drafted at lower end of draft.

I think you're correct we see some players /youth playing on Knicks.

But I believe if you got 1st year guys like G Frank N. and Dotson, may as well explore their youth and see how they handle
pressure.

But don't we want to see what these guys can do with pro experience
for Our Knick team tanking faster than the Titantic (sorry poor example forgive me)

Before we deal Dotson for another re-thread, how about playing him/bring him into Knicks
losing season. It may be good experience plus we're not playing for even locking up draft position. We're set.

Dotson can shoot and play/leard D'
Is that a Bad thing?
Oh I've forgot coach Jeff does not like Defense Or shooters.

*scratch idea

Not sure where the rumor of Dotson being traded. It’s march, where does that come from?
I suspect his name was inquired by in some trade talks leading up to the deadline.

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
Daymean Dotson a trade target

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