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3/2/2018  11:38 AM
Saw this on the home page.
https://dailyknicks.com/2018/03/02/new-york-knicks-time-give-g-league-standouts-a-chance/
Earlier in the week the guy that covers the Raptors G league squad wrote about Hayes and XRM.
Knicks notes: Nigel Hayes and Xavier Rathan-Mayes are both close to being NBA players. Hayes had 27-and-8 while Rathan-Mayes shot poorly but flirted with a triple-double, finishing with 13-8-11…I’ve seen enough of Luke Kornet for one year.

https://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2018/02/24/raptors-905-lose-nail-biter-knicks/
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3/2/2018  11:40 AM
Thanks.

Small sample size but pretty impressive

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3/2/2018  11:49 AM
martin wrote:Thanks.

Small sample size but pretty impressive

Big enough to see that the G-League was good for Burke.

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3/2/2018  12:04 PM
martin wrote:Thanks.

Small sample size but pretty impressive


Yeah, those shooting percentages won't stay that high for the remainder of the season. That said,he's shown great improvement scoring in the paint. He was well below average earlier in his career. I thought DJ Augustine was his ceiling and it looks like that's the type of player he will be. As long as he's scoring he will have value. His defense hasn't been a major surprise. He's shown effort in the past. It's the size issue that hurts him. Kudos to him for putting in the work.
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3/2/2018  12:07 PM
Burke was blue chip lotto pick, played in the NBA.
So its not like he "developed". He "recovered" from injury and "refined" his game some.
Hayes got the attention of the Lakers for a call up. I see him as a SF, but Troy Williams got the call first.
Why?
As for "XRM", we a bit full of guards at the moment. Its good he is getting minutes and doing well in the G.
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3/2/2018  12:34 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2018  12:36 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:Thanks.

Small sample size but pretty impressive

Big enough to see that the G-League was good for Burke.

My only reservation would be quantifying if it was the G-league or the fact that Burke was a lottery talent headed into his 5th year. Could be a combination of both though. Could be the maturity that allowed him to be willing to sign to a team to play for the G-league is a maturity that would make him successful regardless. We would need to know what exact skills did Burke develop in the G-league to get a full understanding on what made him better.

In order to really test the G-league. Guys like Nigel Hayes and Xavier Rathan-Mayes are better overall test subjects. They were undrafted and have strictly been G-league players for us. If they develop their games to be NBA rotational players eventually. Then I would be sold on the G-league.

But at the same time they are both 23 yrs old and were seniors in college. So that also could play a part. College senior, one-two yrs of G league and become contributors at like 25. They wouldn't get burn at an NBA club their first 2 yrs so its a better alternative for them.

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3/2/2018  12:41 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:Thanks.

Small sample size but pretty impressive

Big enough to see that the G-League was good for Burke.

My only reservation would be quantifying if it was the G-league or the fact that Burke was a lottery talent headed into his 5th year. Could be a combination of both though. Could be the maturity that allowed him to be willing to sign to a team to play for the G-league is a maturity that would make him successful regardless. We would need to know what exact skills did Burke develop in the G-league to get a full understanding on what made him better.

In order to really test the G-league. Guys like Nigel Hayes and Xavier Rathan-Mayes are better overall test subjects. They were undrafted and have strictly been G-league players for us. If they develop their games to be NBA rotational players eventually. Then I would be sold on the G-league.

But at the same time they are both 23 yrs old and were seniors in college. So that also could play a part. College senior, one-two yrs of G league and become contributors at like 25. They wouldn't get burn at an NBA club their first 2 yrs so its a better alternative for them.


Yeah, in this case, I think the biggest impact the G-League had for Burke is that it kept him sharp. Hard to tell if there was much development since he was dominant against far lesser competition from the start. I have a feeling that most, if not all, of Burke's improvements came from work in the off-season.
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3/2/2018  12:53 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:Thanks.

Small sample size but pretty impressive

Big enough to see that the G-League was good for Burke.

My only reservation would be quantifying if it was the G-league or the fact that Burke was a lottery talent headed into his 5th year. Could be a combination of both though. Could be the maturity that allowed him to be willing to sign to a team to play for the G-league is a maturity that would make him successful regardless. We would need to know what exact skills did Burke develop in the G-league to get a full understanding on what made him better.

In order to really test the G-league. Guys like Nigel Hayes and Xavier Rathan-Mayes are better overall test subjects. They were undrafted and have strictly been G-league players for us. If they develop their games to be NBA rotational players eventually. Then I would be sold on the G-league.

But at the same time they are both 23 yrs old and were seniors in college. So that also could play a part. College senior, one-two yrs of G league and become contributors at like 25. They wouldn't get burn at an NBA club their first 2 yrs so its a better alternative for them.


Yeah, in this case, I think the biggest impact the G-League had for Burke is that it kept him sharp. Hard to tell if there was much development since he was dominant against far lesser competition from the start. I have a feeling that most, if not all, of Burke's improvements came from work in the off-season.

Burke said he went to the G-League in part to learn to be a better distributor, floor general. Sure has been playing like one at times this season

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3/2/2018  1:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2018  1:15 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:Thanks.

Small sample size but pretty impressive

Big enough to see that the G-League was good for Burke.

My only reservation would be quantifying if it was the G-league or the fact that Burke was a lottery talent headed into his 5th year. Could be a combination of both though. Could be the maturity that allowed him to be willing to sign to a team to play for the G-league is a maturity that would make him successful regardless. We would need to know what exact skills did Burke develop in the G-league to get a full understanding on what made him better.

In order to really test the G-league. Guys like Nigel Hayes and Xavier Rathan-Mayes are better overall test subjects. They were undrafted and have strictly been G-league players for us. If they develop their games to be NBA rotational players eventually. Then I would be sold on the G-league.

But at the same time they are both 23 yrs old and were seniors in college. So that also could play a part. College senior, one-two yrs of G league and become contributors at like 25. They wouldn't get burn at an NBA club their first 2 yrs so its a better alternative for them.


Yeah, in this case, I think the biggest impact the G-League had for Burke is that it kept him sharp. Hard to tell if there was much development since he was dominant against far lesser competition from the start. I have a feeling that most, if not all, of Burke's improvements came from work in the off-season.

Burke said he went to the G-League in part to learn to be a better distributor, floor general. Sure has been playing like one at times this season

So you could say he developed being more of a floor general by using the G-league to focus on that ability. That may be exactly what happen. At the same time he had 4 yrs NBA experience prior. How much did NBA training build up his body to be more a equipped NBA player? He is way more shredded today then he was his rookie yr. If he played in the G-league his first few yrs instead of the NBA? Would he have been able to come to those conclusions on what he needed to improve on to stick in the NBA?

He may have needed the NBA to realize his flaws to the point that he may be out of the league if not improve upon as well as how to prepare physically. And he may have needed the G-league to get the reps to work at it without worrying about a coach pulling him trying to win games.

Just making discussion on an interesting topic.

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3/2/2018  1:40 PM
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newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:Thanks.

Small sample size but pretty impressive

Big enough to see that the G-League was good for Burke.

My only reservation would be quantifying if it was the G-league or the fact that Burke was a lottery talent headed into his 5th year. Could be a combination of both though. Could be the maturity that allowed him to be willing to sign to a team to play for the G-league is a maturity that would make him successful regardless. We would need to know what exact skills did Burke develop in the G-league to get a full understanding on what made him better.

In order to really test the G-league. Guys like Nigel Hayes and Xavier Rathan-Mayes are better overall test subjects. They were undrafted and have strictly been G-league players for us. If they develop their games to be NBA rotational players eventually. Then I would be sold on the G-league.

But at the same time they are both 23 yrs old and were seniors in college. So that also could play a part. College senior, one-two yrs of G league and become contributors at like 25. They wouldn't get burn at an NBA club their first 2 yrs so its a better alternative for them.


Yeah, in this case, I think the biggest impact the G-League had for Burke is that it kept him sharp. Hard to tell if there was much development since he was dominant against far lesser competition from the start. I have a feeling that most, if not all, of Burke's improvements came from work in the off-season.

Burke said he went to the G-League in part to learn to be a better distributor, floor general. Sure has been playing like one at times this season

So you could say he developed being more of a floor general by using the G-league to focus on that ability. That may be exactly what happen. At the same time he had 4 yrs NBA experience prior. How much did NBA training build up his body to be more a equipped NBA player? He is way more shredded today then he was his rookie yr. If he played in the G-league his first few yrs instead of the NBA? Would he have been able to come to those conclusions on what he needed to improve on to stick in the NBA?

He may have needed the NBA to realize his flaws to the point that he may be out of the league if not improve upon as well as how to prepare physically. And he may have needed the G-league to get the reps to work at it without worrying about a coach pulling him trying to win games.

Just making discussion on an interesting topic.

Not going to try to quantify exactly how much G-League helped Burke, but I believe its safe to say that it did.

As you pointed out, it might have been as simple as extended PT to work on an area of his game that he felt was preventing him from rising to the next level.
That and some coaching as well.

They're suppposed to be running more or less the same system as the main Knicks are running. Gave Burke the best of both worlds.

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3/2/2018  1:40 PM
Burke needed to also get his speed back after achiles injury?
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3/2/2018  3:33 PM
We should sign Nigel Hayes.
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3/2/2018  4:15 PM
reub wrote:We should sign Nigel Hayes.

Seems like the Knicks could petition for a roster spot with both KP and Baker out for the remainder of the season.
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3/2/2018  4:39 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
reub wrote:We should sign Nigel Hayes.

Seems like the Knicks could petition for a roster spot with both KP and Baker out for the remainder of the season.

Not sure on this, but I think you need four players out long-term to be eligible for the extra roster spot.
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3/2/2018  5:07 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
reub wrote:We should sign Nigel Hayes.

Seems like the Knicks could petition for a roster spot with both KP and Baker out for the remainder of the season.

Not sure on this, but I think you need four players out long-term to be eligible for the extra roster spot.

Hmm, never heard anything like 4, thought you could get exceptions per player

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3/2/2018  5:48 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
reub wrote:We should sign Nigel Hayes.

Seems like the Knicks could petition for a roster spot with both KP and Baker out for the remainder of the season.

Isn't there a deadline for doing this? I'd release Jack to sign Hayes if I had to. His three point shooting and length are worth taking a chance on.

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3/2/2018  5:56 PM
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
reub wrote:We should sign Nigel Hayes.

Seems like the Knicks could petition for a roster spot with both KP and Baker out for the remainder of the season.

Not sure on this, but I think you need four players out long-term to be eligible for the extra roster spot.

Hmm, never heard anything like 4, thought you could get exceptions per player


I know you can get the salary exemption per player injury. I think we missed the deadline for this season. But I'm not clear on the details of what's needed to meet the conditions of an emergency roster spot. I read on a Sacramento Kings blog that you might need to meet a threshold of four players with long-term injuries.
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3/2/2018  6:23 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
reub wrote:We should sign Nigel Hayes.

Seems like the Knicks could petition for a roster spot with both KP and Baker out for the remainder of the season.

Not sure on this, but I think you need four players out long-term to be eligible for the extra roster spot.

Hmm, never heard anything like 4, thought you could get exceptions per player


I know you can get the salary exemption per player injury. I think we missed the deadline for this season. But I'm not clear on the details of what's needed to meet the conditions of an emergency roster spot. I read on a Sacramento Kings blog that you might need to meet a threshold of four players with long-term injuries.

Here's another article that explains the Heat's situation in regard to roster size. Of course it's from last season, but o think the conditions still hold.
http://heatzone.blog.palmbeachpost.com/2017/01/15/miami-heat-guard-josh-richardson-now-listed-as-week-to-week/
In order for Miami to add a 16th player to the roster, an NBA doctor had to confirm that four total players would miss an additional two weeks after sitting out at least three consecutive games. Richardson’s injury would fulfill that requirement with Chris Bosh (blood clots), Josh McRoberts (foot) and Justise Winslow (shoulder) all expected to miss the rest of the season.
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3/4/2018  6:24 PM
Nigel Hayes went off again last night. He now has 12 made threes in his last 2 games, averaging over 30 points. He's long and rangy with the ability to guard the perimeter, pass or block a shot. Let's sign this kid. http://gleague.nba.com/games/20180304/WESLAK/
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