knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:That's over simplistic....

Here's what you can say about Perry so far. Given his circumstances, he inherited some bad situations on this roster and team, he has not however ( so far) made it worse.

Phil Jackson inherited a bad situation. He traded for Calderon. He made it worse. He didn't have to trade for Calderon. He walked in with a team gutted of draft picks, not his fault. He signed Lance Thomas to a mind boggling deal for a 15th man type energy guy. He made it worse.

It's hard to say if Perry will be a GOOD GM or not.

Just being a "Not Bad GM" is not the same as a "Good GM" Not making your bad situation worse is a sign of a Not Bad GM. A Good GM will do things like Belichick did when he drafted Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, saw the trend curves and beat the league to the punch.

Perry is very limited by choices. He could only shop in Tier 5 of Free Agency, and he was limited by players who were not scooped up by contenders and could offer more money. In that regard, his choices were always limited.

If a team makes the correct market based decisions, in an early rebuild, the choices literally make themselves. Any young NBA intern could do Perry's job right now. However, it's wait and see down the road whether hes a Good GM or not.

He's not making his bad situations worse, that's all anyone can ask for at this stage. Since it's a huge relative improvement to that idiot Phil Jackson, it does look like super star stuff to some in contrast. It's not hard to look good when the guy before you was an idiot. God Bless Phil Jackson the coach, but running this team, he was truly out of his depth.

his tenure starts this offseason with the 9th pick, make it count.

Perry didn't have to trade melo, it's not like SUGE Knight came to his office with demands.

I would have giving cleveland, Frank/willy/1st rnd and whatever else they wanted (aside from KP) for Kyrie

Kyrie/THJ/Melo/KP/Noah and you would have still been able to get BURKE/Bease/jack

Phil did not inherit a bad team, Like perry, he made a trade that didn't solve any problems.

Perry did make a bad situation worse, he got rid of one disgruntle player(melo) that resulted in having 2 disgruntle players(noah and willy) and Noah's contract is 10x worse then melo's, and he's not even fckng playing which hurts even more. Now they're sitting there scratching their heads like (what do we do now)

His tenure started one second after he signed his contract, he's already been involved in FA and trade deadlines.

The fact that Perry has to answer to mills, he's more of an consultant than an actual GM, the same roll MILLs had when phil was here.

we never associated any moves under phil as a mills trade or mills signing.

Why do you think that is?

The only reason Mills has a job is because he's Dolan's BOY, that's his main qualifications, and don't act like you don't know that.

You don't think that's a problem?

Career
Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBAs New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.

Memberships
Mills was on the Board of Trustees of USA Basketball and the Board of Trustees of the Basketball Hall of Fame. He currently is on the Board of Advisors for the Hospital for Special Surgery, Board of Directors of Harlem Junior Tennis and Board of Directors Princeton University Varsity Club. He also Co-Chairs the Princeton University Connect Initiative Task Force.

Achievements
Mills was named Black Enterprise's Corporate Executive of the Year in 2003,[4] and was listed as one of the Top Front Office Team Executives on Black Enterprise's 50 Most Powerful Blacks in Sports in 2005.[9]

Before getting hired by Dolan in 2013 it was rumored he was leading candidate to replace Billy Hunter as head of the NBA union.

You have to go a bit further than "HE DOLANS BOY". Do I have a problem? No, he seems qualified to be Team president. As GM? no, but think for a moment (Novel idea, right?), Your kind of stuck on titles than job description. What if Phil did all the roster stuff the GM does, but had final say on matters? What if Mills when he was GM did the financial work for the team as does most Presidents, but you just call him "GM". Same pay, same deal, but give Phil the title for many reasons. Including that Mills reports to Phil. Might be a bit unconventional to the causual reader. To test that theory, when Phil was made gone, look what happend, Mills title changed back and knicks hired Perry whose duties are more conventional to the GM title he holds.

So the question remains, is Mills qualified to be a team president? Do you have the corporate management acumen to debate his qualifications beyond "His Boy"?

Qualification comes from experience, hell, Fisher was the union pres at one point. Nothing in mills back round suggest he is qualified to build a championship team.

Maybe if the team had a solid core and only required tinkering, but this is a total fckng mess, this requires someone with a lot of experience, and a proven back round

Did you read anything that Nalod posted? Anything at all. His background qualifies him to be team President. He is not charged with building a championship team, he is charged with running an organization.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:That's over simplistic....

Here's what you can say about Perry so far. Given his circumstances, he inherited some bad situations on this roster and team, he has not however ( so far) made it worse.

Phil Jackson inherited a bad situation. He traded for Calderon. He made it worse. He didn't have to trade for Calderon. He walked in with a team gutted of draft picks, not his fault. He signed Lance Thomas to a mind boggling deal for a 15th man type energy guy. He made it worse.

It's hard to say if Perry will be a GOOD GM or not.

Just being a "Not Bad GM" is not the same as a "Good GM" Not making your bad situation worse is a sign of a Not Bad GM. A Good GM will do things like Belichick did when he drafted Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, saw the trend curves and beat the league to the punch.

Perry is very limited by choices. He could only shop in Tier 5 of Free Agency, and he was limited by players who were not scooped up by contenders and could offer more money. In that regard, his choices were always limited.

If a team makes the correct market based decisions, in an early rebuild, the choices literally make themselves. Any young NBA intern could do Perry's job right now. However, it's wait and see down the road whether hes a Good GM or not.

He's not making his bad situations worse, that's all anyone can ask for at this stage. Since it's a huge relative improvement to that idiot Phil Jackson, it does look like super star stuff to some in contrast. It's not hard to look good when the guy before you was an idiot. God Bless Phil Jackson the coach, but running this team, he was truly out of his depth.

his tenure starts this offseason with the 9th pick, make it count.

Perry didn't have to trade melo, it's not like SUGE Knight came to his office with demands.

I would have giving cleveland, Frank/willy/1st rnd and whatever else they wanted (aside from KP) for Kyrie

Kyrie/THJ/Melo/KP/Noah and you would have still been able to get BURKE/Bease/jack

Phil did not inherit a bad team, Like perry, he made a trade that didn't solve any problems.

Perry did make a bad situation worse, he got rid of one disgruntle player(melo) that resulted in having 2 disgruntle players(noah and willy) and Noah's contract is 10x worse then melo's, and he's not even fckng playing which hurts even more. Now they're sitting there scratching their heads like (what do we do now)

His tenure started one second after he signed his contract, he's already been involved in FA and trade deadlines.

The fact that Perry has to answer to mills, he's more of an consultant than an actual GM, the same roll MILLs had when phil was here.

we never associated any moves under phil as a mills trade or mills signing.

Why do you think that is?

The only reason Mills has a job is because he's Dolan's BOY, that's his main qualifications, and don't act like you don't know that.

You don't think that's a problem?

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:That's over simplistic....

Here's what you can say about Perry so far. Given his circumstances, he inherited some bad situations on this roster and team, he has not however ( so far) made it worse.

Phil Jackson inherited a bad situation. He traded for Calderon. He made it worse. He didn't have to trade for Calderon. He walked in with a team gutted of draft picks, not his fault. He signed Lance Thomas to a mind boggling deal for a 15th man type energy guy. He made it worse.

It's hard to say if Perry will be a GOOD GM or not.

Just being a "Not Bad GM" is not the same as a "Good GM" Not making your bad situation worse is a sign of a Not Bad GM. A Good GM will do things like Belichick did when he drafted Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, saw the trend curves and beat the league to the punch.

Perry is very limited by choices. He could only shop in Tier 5 of Free Agency, and he was limited by players who were not scooped up by contenders and could offer more money. In that regard, his choices were always limited.

If a team makes the correct market based decisions, in an early rebuild, the choices literally make themselves. Any young NBA intern could do Perry's job right now. However, it's wait and see down the road whether hes a Good GM or not.

He's not making his bad situations worse, that's all anyone can ask for at this stage. Since it's a huge relative improvement to that idiot Phil Jackson, it does look like super star stuff to some in contrast. It's not hard to look good when the guy before you was an idiot. God Bless Phil Jackson the coach, but running this team, he was truly out of his depth.

his tenure starts this offseason with the 9th pick, make it count.

Perry didn't have to trade melo, it's not like SUGE Knight came to his office with demands.

I would have giving cleveland, Frank/willy/1st rnd and whatever else they wanted (aside from KP) for Kyrie

Kyrie/THJ/Melo/KP/Noah and you would have still been able to get BURKE/Bease/jack

Phil did not inherit a bad team, Like perry, he made a trade that didn't solve any problems.

Perry did make a bad situation worse, he got rid of one disgruntle player(melo) that resulted in having 2 disgruntle players(noah and willy) and Noah's contract is 10x worse then melo's, and he's not even fckng playing which hurts even more. Now they're sitting there scratching their heads like (what do we do now)

His tenure started one second after he signed his contract, he's already been involved in FA and trade deadlines.

The fact that Perry has to answer to mills, he's more of an consultant than an actual GM, the same roll MILLs had when phil was here.

we never associated any moves under phil as a mills trade or mills signing.

Why do you think that is?

The only reason Mills has a job is because he's Dolan's BOY, that's his main qualifications, and don't act like you don't know that.

You don't think that's a problem?

Seriously if no other team in the NBA would hire you in any capacity you shouldn't be the president or GM of an NBA team. This is why I'm so negative and have no faith in this franchise. If this guy has the final say what chance does Perry have to build a team. Why was he cap strapping the team with Hardaway before iring a GM, thats insane

How do you know no other team would hire him? HOw do you know if he interviewed with another, or had any desire to work in another city?
How was he “strapping the team” with Timmy? What other free agent moves were prevented by his salary?
I realize not everyone loves Tim, but Just wondering what his signing prevented?

Nalod wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:That's over simplistic....

Here's what you can say about Perry so far. Given his circumstances, he inherited some bad situations on this roster and team, he has not however ( so far) made it worse.

Phil Jackson inherited a bad situation. He traded for Calderon. He made it worse. He didn't have to trade for Calderon. He walked in with a team gutted of draft picks, not his fault. He signed Lance Thomas to a mind boggling deal for a 15th man type energy guy. He made it worse.

It's hard to say if Perry will be a GOOD GM or not.

Just being a "Not Bad GM" is not the same as a "Good GM" Not making your bad situation worse is a sign of a Not Bad GM. A Good GM will do things like Belichick did when he drafted Gronk and Aaron Hernandez, saw the trend curves and beat the league to the punch.

Perry is very limited by choices. He could only shop in Tier 5 of Free Agency, and he was limited by players who were not scooped up by contenders and could offer more money. In that regard, his choices were always limited.

If a team makes the correct market based decisions, in an early rebuild, the choices literally make themselves. Any young NBA intern could do Perry's job right now. However, it's wait and see down the road whether hes a Good GM or not.

He's not making his bad situations worse, that's all anyone can ask for at this stage. Since it's a huge relative improvement to that idiot Phil Jackson, it does look like super star stuff to some in contrast. It's not hard to look good when the guy before you was an idiot. God Bless Phil Jackson the coach, but running this team, he was truly out of his depth.

his tenure starts this offseason with the 9th pick, make it count.

Perry didn't have to trade melo, it's not like SUGE Knight came to his office with demands.

I would have giving cleveland, Frank/willy/1st rnd and whatever else they wanted (aside from KP) for Kyrie

Kyrie/THJ/Melo/KP/Noah and you would have still been able to get BURKE/Bease/jack

Phil did not inherit a bad team, Like perry, he made a trade that didn't solve any problems.

Perry did make a bad situation worse, he got rid of one disgruntle player(melo) that resulted in having 2 disgruntle players(noah and willy) and Noah's contract is 10x worse then melo's, and he's not even fckng playing which hurts even more. Now they're sitting there scratching their heads like (what do we do now)

His tenure started one second after he signed his contract, he's already been involved in FA and trade deadlines.

The fact that Perry has to answer to mills, he's more of an consultant than an actual GM, the same roll MILLs had when phil was here.

we never associated any moves under phil as a mills trade or mills signing.

Why do you think that is?

The only reason Mills has a job is because he's Dolan's BOY, that's his main qualifications, and don't act like you don't know that.

You don't think that's a problem?

Seriously if no other team in the NBA would hire you in any capacity you shouldn't be the president or GM of an NBA team. This is why I'm so negative and have no faith in this franchise. If this guy has the final say what chance does Perry have to build a team. Why was he cap strapping the team with Hardaway before iring a GM, thats insane

How do you know no other team would hire him? HOw do you know if he interviewed with another, or had any desire to work in another city?
How was he “strapping the team” with Timmy? What other free agent moves were prevented by his salary?
I realize not everyone loves Tim, but Just wondering what his signing prevented?

We have sucked for this guys entire tenure but lets pretend he will turn this team into a winner.
On Hardaway jr what president makes major FA signings before hiring a GM, thats insane. We don't know what moves the Hardaway contract will stop us from making because we are capped out with no hope of signing anyone because we had to have an 18 million dollar below league average starting SG. All Hardaway does is clog the roster. Frank has always looked like a SG to me because of his subpar ball handling and slow decision making. At the 2 some those of those flaws are masked. All Frank would need to do is improve his spot up shooting and he would become the perfect sidekick for ball dominant PG's that are all over the NBA. We could move Hardaway to the bench as an expensive 6th man, or play him at the 3 making us way to small. Hardaway isn't a bad player by any means but he kills roster flexibility. This is the thing that drives me mad when people talk about a rebuild. Does it make any sense while the team is rebuilding to cap your team out. The only way I sign someone long-term is if they are legit rotation players on team friendly deals or max FA's. Anyone else is just a waste of resources.