BRIGGS wrote:for a 5 year 70mm$ contract? 14 per? Would give us an additional 4.7mm to spend and give Enes long term security --say a no trade contract first two years

I like Kanter, but whats the point of locking up a back up center that cant play defense for 5 years. You feel there are not many of those in the NBA?

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:for a 5 year 70mm$ contract? 14 per? Would give us an additional 4.7mm to spend and give Enes long term security --say a no trade contract first two years

I like Kanter, but whats the point of locking up a back up center that cant play defense for 5 years. You feel there are not many of those in the NBA?

The lack of defense thing is ridiculous--hes more than fine.

He's a solid backup or temporary starter to have....as a gap filler.

Andrew wrote:Would love to see him signed to a similar structured contest as Robert Covington. 16 plus year one, then 10, 10 etc

Maybe but the whole reason why Id do it is so I have the extra 5mm next year. I think that would give us the required money to sign a Hezonja and possibly one more guy.

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:for a 5 year 70mm$ contract? 14 per? Would give us an additional 4.7mm to spend and give Enes long term security --say a no trade contract first two years

I like Kanter, but whats the point of locking up a back up center that cant play defense for 5 years. You feel there are not many of those in the NBA?

Many will disagree but the impact of this years Draft is critical. I don’t mind if Lee and Thomas play SF yet another year and i don’t mind the Mudiay experiment, and frankly while it’s painful at times, I’m willing to endure Franks growing pains. Yet if we manage to pick 6 or 7 and a Bona Fide “stud” 5 is still on the board, count me in. It’s critical. How else do teams come back on us four times this year when we’ve a 20 point lead. Assuming KP comes back at 90-95% and can protect the rim, an athletic 5 (Jackson/Carter/Bamba) would make the difference as it would provide stability. If he can run, and shot board and play great defense, I will take him over Trae Young or Doncic.
If Frank works out as a flex guard who plays great d and can pass, then either Timmy or Mudiay work out or not. That leaves the SF issue which will be solved once Noah and Lee are odd the books by draft or FA.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:for a 5 year 70mm$ contract? 14 per? Would give us an additional 4.7mm to spend and give Enes long term security --say a no trade contract first two years

A) You cannot have a NTC for only a partial length of a contract. If this was possible, free agency would never end during the offseason.

Out of the major sports, the NBA does not have a compensation pick system for lost free agents. The old sign and trade operated as a form of a compensation system. Now standard trades operate as a form of a compensation system ( i.e. Paul George to OKC) NTC chokes out the trade market, which would crush any type of compensation "in practice" anywhere in the league.

B) A player needs to have 8 years of NBA service time AND four years ( either consecutive or accumulated/non consecutive) with the same team to qualify for a NTC.

C) The Knicks could wait, let Kanter test the market in a cap choked out environment, then if he inexplicably didn't take his player option, they could sign him for 2 years at a far lower AAV than 14 million.

You are suggesting the team sign a guy through his decline phase, to outbid against itself without regard to the entire marketplace and offer an illegal contract.

With Darvish arriving to Cubs' camp on Tuesday, the deal is now official. According to Bob Nightengale of USA Today, the yearly salaries break down as follows: $25 million in 2018, $20 million in 2019, $22 million in 2020, $22 million in 2021, $19 million in 2022, and $18 million in 2023. He has an opt-out after two years and a full no-trade clause for the first four years. It then switches to a limited no-trade clause consisting of 12 teams. Darvish and Tyler Chatwood are the new additions to a strong rotation which also includes Jon Lester, Jose Quintana, and Kyle Hendricks.

I don't really understand what you mean why FA would never end? Are u saying baseball rules and basketball are different?

That said - if he would sign that deal, then you figure next year there is no KP, he's your center. And then maybe 1-2 more years after that for KP to better mature to play center - and his last two years as a back up c @ $14M would probably not be hard to move in a deal if you wanted to.

I don't think they settle, but hey there is a correction coming in basketball just like in baseball.

My other caveat is looking ahead to when we have to sign KP long term, what our cap number looks like then, and whether this deal eliminates flexibility.

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:for a 5 year 70mm$ contract? 14 per? Would give us an additional 4.7mm to spend and give Enes long term security --say a no trade contract first two years

I like Kanter, but whats the point of locking up a back up center that cant play defense for 5 years. You feel there are not many of those in the NBA?

The lack of defense thing is ridiculous--hes more than fine.

Do you watch Knicks games? I can't believe that you would be fine with Kanter's defense.

I'd like to see the Knicks build a deep playoff team. If you think Kanter's defense is good enough in that context than I'd say your instincts are absolutely wrong.

If you are good with a borderline and 1 and out playoff team, have at it with Kanter.

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:for a 5 year 70mm$ contract? 14 per? Would give us an additional 4.7mm to spend and give Enes long term security --say a no trade contract first two years

I like Kanter, but whats the point of locking up a back up center that cant play defense for 5 years. You feel there are not many of those in the NBA?

The lack of defense thing is ridiculous--hes more than fine.

Do you watch Knicks games? I can't believe that you would be fine with Kanter's defense.

I'd like to see the Knicks build a deep playoff team. If you think Kanter's defense is good enough in that context than I'd say your instincts are absolutely wrong.

If you are good with a borderline and 1 and out playoff team, have at it with Kanter.

It's maddening. he shows agility around the hoop with the ball in his hands. But on D he has a tough time even getting in the way. How is it Marc Gasol can play good D, and we can't get half of that from Enes

If he could put something together on the D end, he'd be a real contributor

Right now, he's just a nice synergy piece on the one end of the floor

You cannot ask tiger to eat grass. He just have no idea, no desire, and no tools.
On NBA level there are things that cannot be learned. They can be improved but thats about it.
Kanter is about team priorities.
If team is prioritizing defense he will not be retained.
Except if he agree to hang around for 2 remaining years when the results are not important or rather losing more is preferable.
If anything Kanter can help to lose a lot.