knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:2 points on 1-8 from the kid again, but some of you are going to rave about his 2 blocks.

They need to shop this kid, and at this point his value is lower than willie.

Frank needs to be on a team with some really good player

This is why they say you can't rebuild in NY. Again, just focus on the stats.

Unfortunately that's how you measure a players worth.

we have been rebuilding since the 17 win season 4 yrs ago. Just because phil rebuilding process included veterans(who sucked), and mills wants young boys(who suck), it's still a rebuild.

Here's a stat for you. We are currently 29th in team defense with him off the floor. 9th in team defense with him on the floor. So stats tell whichever story you want them to. If you focus on just shooting, which you seem to, you won't be happy with him.

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:2 points on 1-8 from the kid again, but some of you are going to rave about his 2 blocks.

They need to shop this kid, and at this point his value is lower than willie.

Frank needs to be on a team with some really good player

This is why they say you can't rebuild in NY. Again, just focus on the stats.

Unfortunately that's how you measure a players worth.

we have been rebuilding since the 17 win season 4 yrs ago. Just because phil rebuilding process included veterans(who sucked), and mills wants young boys(who suck), it's still a rebuild.

Here's a stat for you. We are currently 29th in team defense with him off the floor. 9th in team defense with him on the floor. So stats tell whichever story you want them to. If you focus on just shooting, which you seem to, you won't be happy with him.

That's all you guys have with this kid.... if the Knicks truly got all the way up to 9th in the nba in defense just because Frank is on the floor, then why are we currently a lottery team? I'm still tryingti figure out who the kid had ever stopped in his life. This reminds me of Iman Shumpert. Shump at least played aggressive even though he sucked too and had a bad attitude.... I still have high hopes for Frank, but I'm really sick of this conversation the way it's going.

Lets pretend he's Dennis Smith, ignore the losing, the score and just focus on a fun play

https://www.msgnetworks.com/videos/highlight-frank-razzle-dazzle/

fishmike wrote:Hey... Frank's offense is bad. He's just now starting to shoot more and its not going in. Kid is going to be fine. He's got game. Once puberty sets in and hits the weight room he's a player. Hopefully its only a year or two and not 5

Lets pretend he's Dennis Smith, ignore the losing, the score and just focus on a fun play

https://www.msgnetworks.com/videos/highlight-frank-razzle-dazzle/

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:2 points on 1-8 from the kid again, but some of you are going to rave about his 2 blocks.

They need to shop this kid, and at this point his value is lower than willie.

Frank needs to be on a team with some really good player

This is why they say you can't rebuild in NY. Again, just focus on the stats.

Unfortunately that's how you measure a players worth.

we have been rebuilding since the 17 win season 4 yrs ago. Just because phil rebuilding process included veterans(who sucked), and mills wants young boys(who suck), it's still a rebuild.

Here's a stat for you. We are currently 29th in team defense with him off the floor. 9th in team defense with him on the floor. So stats tell whichever story you want them to. If you focus on just shooting, which you seem to, you won't be happy with him.

You do realize this stat is skewed because its against second units?

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:2 points on 1-8 from the kid again, but some of you are going to rave about his 2 blocks.

They need to shop this kid, and at this point his value is lower than willie.

Frank needs to be on a team with some really good player

This is why they say you can't rebuild in NY. Again, just focus on the stats.

Unfortunately that's how you measure a players worth.

we have been rebuilding since the 17 win season 4 yrs ago. Just because phil rebuilding process included veterans(who sucked), and mills wants young boys(who suck), it's still a rebuild.

Here's a stat for you. We are currently 29th in team defense with him off the floor. 9th in team defense with him on the floor. So stats tell whichever story you want them to. If you focus on just shooting, which you seem to, you won't be happy with him.

ok so we hold teams to under a 100 points with him on the floor (that's great)

but we score 73 points with him on the floor. (you still lose)

What's the purpose of making stops if you can't capitalize on it.

Frank's offense stinks. His defense is good.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:2 points on 1-8 from the kid again, but some of you are going to rave about his 2 blocks.

They need to shop this kid, and at this point his value is lower than willie.

Frank needs to be on a team with some really good player

This is why they say you can't rebuild in NY. Again, just focus on the stats.

Unfortunately that's how you measure a players worth.

we have been rebuilding since the 17 win season 4 yrs ago. Just because phil rebuilding process included veterans(who sucked), and mills wants young boys(who suck), it's still a rebuild.

Here's a stat for you. We are currently 29th in team defense with him off the floor. 9th in team defense with him on the floor. So stats tell whichever story you want them to. If you focus on just shooting, which you seem to, you won't be happy with him.

ok so we hold teams to under a 100 points with him on the floor (that's great)

but we score 73 points with him on the floor. (you still lose)

What's the purpose of making stops if you can't capitalize on it.

same purpose in scoring if the cant stop the other team. David Lee put up 20/12. We lost 50+ games. He gave up 25/15.

Frank's offense stinks. His defense is good.

But I thought you were in favor of 2 way players.

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:Hey... Frank's offense is bad. He's just now starting to shoot more and its not going in. Kid is going to be fine. He's got game. Once puberty sets in and hits the weight room he's a player. Hopefully its only a year or two and not 5

Lets pretend he's Dennis Smith, ignore the losing, the score and just focus on a fun play

https://www.msgnetworks.com/videos/highlight-frank-razzle-dazzle/

Great Idea!

"Just a Chucker" except for 8 dimes and 8 boards.

Kid had a great game. IS he better then Trey Burke?

I'll bite. Yes I do. Do you?

martin wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:2 points on 1-8 from the kid again, but some of you are going to rave about his 2 blocks.

They need to shop this kid, and at this point his value is lower than willie.

Frank needs to be on a team with some really good player

This is why they say you can't rebuild in NY. Again, just focus on the stats.

Unfortunately that's how you measure a players worth.

we have been rebuilding since the 17 win season 4 yrs ago. Just because phil rebuilding process included veterans(who sucked), and mills wants young boys(who suck), it's still a rebuild.

Here's a stat for you. We are currently 29th in team defense with him off the floor. 9th in team defense with him on the floor. So stats tell whichever story you want them to. If you focus on just shooting, which you seem to, you won't be happy with him.

That's all you guys have with this kid.... if the Knicks truly got all the way up to 9th in the nba in defense just because Frank is on the floor, then why are we currently a lottery team? I'm still tryingti figure out who the kid had ever stopped in his life. This reminds me of Iman Shumpert. Shump at least played aggressive even though he sucked too and had a bad attitude.... I still have high hopes for Frank, but I'm really sick of this conversation the way it's going.

Then stop interjecting, it's that simple.

If that's all you want to highlight in that post then I guess I will. It is that simple

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:Hey... Frank's offense is bad. He's just now starting to shoot more and its not going in. Kid is going to be fine. He's got game. Once puberty sets in and hits the weight room he's a player. Hopefully its only a year or two and not 5

Lets pretend he's Dennis Smith, ignore the losing, the score and just focus on a fun play

https://www.msgnetworks.com/videos/highlight-frank-razzle-dazzle/

Great Idea!

"Just a Chucker" except for 8 dimes and 8 boards.

Kid had a great game. IS he better then Trey Burke?

I'll bite. Yes I do. Do you?

They had similar rookie season.

Is Trey Burke what you would expect from a 9th pick? That is where he was taken. Did you see Burke in the tourney? I am a betting man I could say 50-1 that when Burke declared you would have thought he had "it."

I mean the sample size is small. But Burke was the best player in the Gleague (and they were one of the best teams). Right now Burke's midrange game is unstoppable. They eye test is easy. The #s are nuts. Burke is shooting 50% from 10-16 feet and 60% from 16-3pt.

Right now with Burke you have a guy that creates separation with ease, is money from midrange, moves the ball to teammates for tons of open looks and never turns the ball over. Like ever. He's small. He defends fine m2m but fighting over screens is where the small guards get hurt and Burke does. Its why the #s show he's best with Frank. Not because Frank is the best, he clearly is NOT, but because Frank moves the ball back to Burke and is the better defender. Burke's effort on defense has impressed me. Enough where I am ready to hand him the keys next year and not touch a guy like Trea Young.

So TODAY Burke is a much better NBA player. Its not even close. IS that fair? Well DSmith hasnt had 3 years to figure out like Burke, so its a bit silly to compare. I would not be surprised to see a guy like Smith Jr blossom on another team after Dallas or Carlisle is sick of the bad shots, poor defense and TOs. Some guys take time.

When Jazz drafted Burke 9th this is what they hoped they were getting. Is the shooting sustainable? What carries more weight? Smith's potential or Burke's small sample of recent NBA play?