StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Well....I guess Frank will always have somebody pushing him....DSJ

I hope Frank spends a good amount of time this summer going against legit NBA talent because his progress has not been what you would expect with consistent minutes, and a very patient coach. Even at 19 IMO.

And where does Dennis smith Jr rate on this chart?

CrushAlot wrote:

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Funny, I listened to Duncan's 15 in 60 podcast on the eastern conference after I posted this. They pointed out Frank being 68th out of 70 for some offensive stat (pick and roll effiency?). I was looking for a silver lining in what has been a rough start for a guy taken 8th overall. He has looked better lately and more aggressive on offense but Frank has enough deficits that he shouldn't be considered better than all of the other lottery guys except Monk in my opinion.

he was raw offensively going into the year. It may take 2 for him to blossom. Just gotta be patient

The difference offensively between Frank and Smith as an example, is Smith is just super aggressive on offense, whereas Frank isn't. It doesn't change the fact that Smith is also extremely inefficient just like Frank. The difference in efficiency is minor. Bottom line is no guard in the lottery, other than Mitchell, is scoring the ball well. Meanwhile, Frank is proving himself defensively. Ball is the only other guard in the lottery effective on defense so far.

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

blkexec wrote:Well....I guess Frank will always have somebody pushing him....DSJ

I hope Frank spends a good amount of time this summer going against legit NBA talent because his progress has not been what you would expect with consistent minutes, and a very patient coach. Even at 19 IMO.

And where does Dennis smith Jr rate on this chart?

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I saw that, and its impressive. Frank's D has been very good since the jump. What Im talking about is the difference between a future starter, and a defensive specialist off the bench. Dont believe its unduly harsh to say that Frank's improvement as a scorer has been underwhelming. Definitely needs to come back with a chip on his shoulder if he wants to start down the road.

You define "starter" by scoring? In this day and age, still can't get over your 15 ppg? And here I thought Gustav Mahler was famous for breaking out of the traditional mold of Austrian - German composers. You can do better than fixate on scoring

Judging by the way you have taken offense to a very mild remark about Frank's progress on offense this season. Right after I complimented his defense. I would have guessed that Justin Bieber was more your speed.

That is considering how you are all hot and bothered about someone suggesting the idea that Frank needs to work on being more of a scorer. Damn that Derek Harper for spending his entire interview saying the exact same thing.

Asking questions is being hot and bothered? Are you sure I am the one that's overreacting here? I was actually complimenting you on your screen name albiet in a backhanded way. I don't know about Justin Beiber, but I am clearly not your speed.

POGS

You made your response entirely about me, not Frank. That is the definition of hot and bothered.

Knixkik wrote:

nyk2017 wrote:Frank should not be judged until year 3 in the league. Unfortunately, I dont think we have the patience to wait. He is also not flashy like DSJr or Mitchell which will hurt his stock in the eye of the average fan. He is also not a great offensive player which will not be perceived well by fans.

Exactly. Average fans just look at the 6 ppg and say he's disappointing.

Of course its disappointing. Walt Frazier, Derek Harper, among other above average players are saying the same thing. Frank needs to look for his shot a lot more. Are they haters too? Its not a smear to point out that Frank has a lot of work to do. Please stop taking it that way, its creepy.

Not going to say only nice things about Frank's game for the next 3 years because some folks get all bent out of shape about it.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nyk2017 wrote:Frank should not be judged until year 3 in the league. Unfortunately, I dont think we have the patience to wait. He is also not flashy like DSJr or Mitchell which will hurt his stock in the eye of the average fan. He is also not a great offensive player which will not be perceived well by fans.

Exactly. Average fans just look at the 6 ppg and say he's disappointing.

Of course its disappointing. Walt Frazier, Derek Harper, among other above average players are saying the same thing. Frank needs to look for his shot a lot more. Are they haters too? Its not a smear to point out that Frank has a lot of work to do. Please stop taking it that way, its creepy.

Not going to say only nice things about Frank's game for the next 3 years because some folks get all bent out of shape about it.

I really don't think anyone takes it as a smear when anyone says it, but it's also a very simplistic observation. That gets repeated a lot. Ad nauseam. For me it's like only talking about FG% when we know about eFG% and TS%, mid range vs layups and 3pt shots.

I keep trying to watch Frank and how he uses space and how he sees other players move around him, both his teammates and defenders, and both when he is on offense and is on defense.

THJr has zero defensive awareness about covering the weakside, his spacing is just atrocious - he constantly gets caught too far in the paint when his man is in the corner and another is spaced out about 12 feet away along 3 point line and he is charged with deciding between the 2. He leaves them both open. Or loses track of his guy as he sneaks along the baseline for a backdoor layup. And this is after years of coaching and instruction. Frank may make a mistake but his instincts and ability to recover don't leave him in the same predicament.

On offense, putting aside the ability to make a shot and/or finish to the rim, I like watching Frank make a decision about where he needs to go in relation to where the defenders are and where his teammates are coming from. In a half court set he kinda fails a lot (he is stagnant, his teammates kinda watch) but on a break it's nice to see him move himself into the defense to attract defender and allow KP or THJr or whomever get open because of it and then make that pass.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nyk2017 wrote:Frank should not be judged until year 3 in the league. Unfortunately, I dont think we have the patience to wait. He is also not flashy like DSJr or Mitchell which will hurt his stock in the eye of the average fan. He is also not a great offensive player which will not be perceived well by fans.

Exactly. Average fans just look at the 6 ppg and say he's disappointing.

Of course its disappointing. Walt Frazier, Derek Harper, among other above average players are saying the same thing. Frank needs to look for his shot a lot more. Are they haters too? Its not a smear to point out that Frank has a lot of work to do. Please stop taking it that way, its creepy.

Not going to say only nice things about Frank's game for the next 3 years because some folks get all bent out of shape about it.

I really don't think anyone takes it as a smear when anyone says it, but it's also a very simplistic observation. That gets repeated a lot. Ad nauseam. For me it's like only talking about FG% when we know about eFG% and TS%, mid range vs layups and 3pt shots.

I keep trying to watch Frank and how he uses space and how he sees other players move around him, both his teammates and defenders, and both when he is on offense and is on defense.

THJr has zero defensive awareness about covering the weakside, his spacing is just atrocious - he constantly gets caught too far in the paint when his man is in the corner and another is spaced out about 12 feet away along 3 point line and he is charged with deciding between the 2. He leaves them both open. Or loses track of his guy as he sneaks along the baseline for a backdoor layup. And this is after years of coaching and instruction. Frank may make a mistake but his instincts and ability to recover don't leave him in the same predicament.

On offense, putting aside the ability to make a shot and/or finish to the rim, I like watching Frank make a decision about where he needs to go in relation to where the defenders are and where his teammates are coming from. In a half court set he kinda fails a lot (he is stagnant, his teammates kinda watch) but on a break it's nice to see him move himself into the defense to attract defender and allow KP or THJr or whomever get open because of it and then make that pass.

Frank’s game is more subtle and nuanced so a lot of what he does goes under the radar. IMO it won’t be hard for him to make the needed improvements. His jumper isn’t far off. When his mechanics are right his shot has nice arch and drops softly. When he’s off his shot is flat. Very fixable.

Frank is still playing with a weak teenage body but that too is very fixable. As he gains strength I can see him being more willing to mix it up on Drives or Post Up smaller guards. Frank is currently a plus 1.8 in On/Off Court. He’s going to be a consistent PLUS player very soon.

Juliano wrote:Next season will be massively important for him. He'll have a full off-season to work on his body and his scoring and he'll have the pressure of being the latest lottery pick off his shoulder. He should be under less scrutiny, that will switch to whomever the Knicks draft. I don't think it's unfair to point out that his offense has been underwhelming, it was not completely unexpected as his scouting report suggested but there was still hope he could make the step faster. Still, he is very young and physically very lightweight compared to other players so there's hope he'll gain in confidence with a bit more flesh around his bones. He needs a Schröder-like improvement between his rookie and his second season.

GustavBahler wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nyk2017 wrote:Frank should not be judged until year 3 in the league. Unfortunately, I dont think we have the patience to wait. He is also not flashy like DSJr or Mitchell which will hurt his stock in the eye of the average fan. He is also not a great offensive player which will not be perceived well by fans.

Exactly. Average fans just look at the 6 ppg and say he's disappointing.

Of course its disappointing. Walt Frazier, Derek Harper, among other above average players are saying the same thing. Frank needs to look for his shot a lot more. Are they haters too? Its not a smear to point out that Frank has a lot of work to do. Please stop taking it that way, its creepy.

Not going to say only nice things about Frank's game for the next 3 years because some folks get all bent out of shape about it.

The 19 yr old rookie performance prove to be a great future guard to have on the court in the 4th quarter especially in crunchtime situation