Posted by Marv:

Can't see Portland doing this. This would mean they turned Sheed into KT, lost Patterson and saddled themselves with Penny's contract as well. Makes more sense to me that they're either going to move Randloph and make Reef their starting 4, or move Reef for a better deal than this.

Exactly; they can get a much better deal than this. The only reason I'd want Shareef anyway would be to trade his expiring contract.

Posted by nykfan4life:


What you two are forgetting is that Sheed doesn't want to play in Portland so any trade is possible from that stand point, Portland or any team for that matter doesn't want a player that doesn't want them.
Look at the Shaq trade or even McGrady's if a player wants out that team can't necessarily be very picky in who they may want or get in any trade.
Let's say Sheed doesn't go to camp, the longer he is out the more hamstrung Portland is to make a trade, they will have to do something at that time.

My point would be that Portland did a very good job recouping value for Sheed - they lucked out because Atlanta was in a salary dump mode. But to turn Sheed now into KT PLUS lose Patterson PLUS get saddled with Penny is a huge downturn, negating the excellent deal they had maneuvered in trading a star who hadn't wanted to return to them.

Portland trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes)
  C Theo Ratliff (7.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Portland receives: SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
  SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
  C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and +1.5 apg.
New York trades: SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
  SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
  C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 85 games)
  C Theo Ratliff (7.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 85 games)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Portland and New York being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Portland and New York had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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You have been assigned Trade ID number 1906267

How about this trade?.

Anyway, Portland isn't likely to deal Shareef any time soon. First they gotta figure out the whole Randolph situation. Rahim only wanted out due to PT, but if Portland trades Zach, he's gonna wanna stay.
Besides what's the worst case scenario for them? He refuses to play? So they can either let him sit the season and cut about 14 mil off their books (atleast I think it's 14 mil, feel free to correct me), or they can trade him for a better player than the Knicks are offering.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nykfan4life:

Portland trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes)
  C Theo Ratliff (7.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Portland receives: SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
  SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
  C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and +1.5 apg.
New York trades: SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
  SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
  C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 85 games)
  C Theo Ratliff (7.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 85 games)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Portland and New York being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Portland and New York had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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You have been assigned Trade ID number 1906267

How about this trade?.

you're joking, right?
They're not gonna give us superior players plus $30 mil in expiring contracts even if we include Sweetney and Ariza in the deal


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09/04/2004 17:13:14]

Yeah I was just joking!

That's how silly all of these trade proposals are, they are a total waste of time.

I am sure you think your an expert? Bonn, get off the high horse and step walk amongst us humans, who are not perfect like you are.

sacrifice the blastphomer.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 09/04/2004 21:53:10]

Posted by nykfan4life:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nykfan4life:

Portland trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes)
  C Theo Ratliff (7.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 31.3 minutes)
Portland receives: SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
  SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
  C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +0.3 ppg, -2.2 rpg, and +1.5 apg.
New York trades: SG Anfernee Hardaway (9.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 2.3 apg in 27.6 minutes)
  SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
  C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 85 games)
  C Theo Ratliff (7.9 ppg, 7.2 rpg, 0.8 apg in 85 games)
Change in team outlook: -0.3 ppg, +2.2 rpg, and -1.5 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED

Due to Portland and New York being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Portland and New York had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
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You have been assigned Trade ID number 1906267

How about this trade?.

you're joking, right?
They're not gonna give us superior players plus $30 mil in expiring contracts even if we include Sweetney and Ariza in the deal


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09/04/2004 17:13:14]

Yeah I was just joking!

That's how silly all of these trade proposals are, they are a total waste of time.

I am sure you think your an expert? Bonn, get off the high horse and step walk amongst us humans, who are not perfect like you are.

Huh? I still can't figure out if you were joking or not. Your first two sentences sound like you were just joking; the next two sound like you're a grumpy old man

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09/05/2004 01:03:25]

According to the Orlando Sentinel, Shareef will most likely be heading to NY....

"Abdur-Rahim odd man out

If you have the salary-cap space, there is a high-scoring just-in-his-prime power forward available. When the Portland Trail Blazers signed Darius Miles last week to a six-year, $48 million deal, it meant the end of Shareef Abdur-Rahim, who was once considered a potential star.

The Blazers are going to build around Zach Randolph, and the last thing they want is an unhappy power forward behind him. Abdur-Rahim has only one year left on his contract, but it's for $14.6 million.

It sure sounds like he's headed for the New York Knicks, who are desperate to put together a team that can contend immediately."


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/basketball/magic/orl-sptnbacon07090704sep07,1,7525301.story?coll=orl-sports-headlines

we have nothing Portland wants or needs... plain and simple.