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knicks1248
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1/26/2018  1:05 AM
There is no effort to defend the 3.

When you have a dvr, you get to rewind and play it back in slow motion and see how guys get wide open, and there is just no effort or communication at all. Game after game i see countless players just forget about their man, I see players switch and never say a word or motion to get back, nothing.

This was the same exact BS last season when we were dead last in defending a 3. The team has developed bad habits, and the orders are falling on deaf ears. It's not like we haven't seen this team play some solid d,so don't give me the lack of talent story.

JH and his staff are not getting a 110% effort from the team, and their defensive philosophy has been more than exposed throughout the league.

We get lit up from downtown by every team we play, good or bad.

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1/26/2018  1:27 AM
We simply need better wings. Other than hardaway and lee we have no talent on the wing. We also need to start Ntilikina if the goal is to improve perimeter defense. We need to get longer and more athletic to defend the 3 ball. Guys are too fast for us.
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1/26/2018  5:22 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2018  5:32 AM
Damn I didn't watch this game last night but Denver shot 60% from the floor, 50% from 3 thats insane. I'm not sure if I want to watch the replay sounds gross.
I was watching Trey Burke highlights but all I saw was Willy Hernangomez terrible help defense leading to wide open 3's
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1/26/2018  7:07 AM
The Knicks are more concerned with clogging the paint than finding the shooters. That's it in a nutshell. Lance the super defender is the main culprit.

Baker and Frank can defend but can't score. Him and Frank love to pass up shots to jam a pass to a teammate. That's another thing. Its no fun when teams are putting out better offensive units than you are. KP was taking a ton of bad shots. Bad no fun shots. Lee had the ball often just crossing it over like he got it like that. Lee Is gabbing a career year with 13 pts per game. He's a career 10pt per game guy. He's not built to be crossing it over looking for a shot.

Point I'm trying to make is Horny is killing himself playing role players and specialists heavy minutes just for the sake of playing defense. Well it's not working. We were doing fine a month ago.... yeah we're playing alot of road games now, but we just aren't making the right adjustments. I feel like Horny is a good coach that just lost a handle of his roster.

You know why I'm here....
knicks1248
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1/26/2018  10:25 AM
EnySpree wrote:The Knicks are more concerned with clogging the paint than finding the shooters. That's it in a nutshell. Lance the super defender is the main culprit.

Baker and Frank can defend but can't score. Him and Frank love to pass up shots to jam a pass to a teammate. That's another thing. Its no fun when teams are putting out better offensive units than you are. KP was taking a ton of bad shots. Bad no fun shots. Lee had the ball often just crossing it over like he got it like that. Lee Is gabbing a career year with 13 pts per game. He's a career 10pt per game guy. He's not built to be crossing it over looking for a shot.

Point I'm trying to make is Horny is killing himself playing role players and specialists heavy minutes just for the sake of playing defense. Well it's not working. We were doing fine a month ago.... yeah we're playing alot of road games now, but we just aren't making the right adjustments. I feel like Horny is a good coach that just lost a handle of his roster.

100% spot on.

IMO it's not even just the players, since rambis has gotten here we have defended the same way. Guys are position in no mans land, too far to close out on a 3 point attempt unless you give a 110% effort and your super focus, too far to protect the paint because your worried about the 3. The philosophy and the approach barely changes

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1/26/2018  11:34 AM
Can't see how Hornacek holds on much longer if this keeps up- seems management have been clear they care more about the way we play than the record, and if the emphasis is meant to be defense Hornacek is falling badly short on both counts.
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1/26/2018  12:29 PM
Was gonna make a thread on us giving up 130pts but I guess this will do.

Do you guys not remember the opening quarter? We got our asses handed to us in the paint again just like Memphis and most games. We get hammered in the paint which opens up the 3 ball throughout the game. Which opens up the back door cuts and missed assignments.

This is the reason that most of these players on the roster were available to be had in the first place. As well as the fact that this roster is nothing more than a transition one.

Other then KP as a shot blocking rim protector and an enigmatic KOQ. We have no real defensive capabilities to match up with offenses on the interior or on then perimeter out of our bigs. From our forwards we only have Lance Thomas that brings anything defensively and he isn't exactly gifted.

We got 16-11 and 6-8 from Burke and Jack, 7-7 from Lee, 20pts from Kanter, KP, and Beasley. Yet gave up 130 pts and yet y'all wanna throw the 19 yr old rookie and 2nd yr undrafted player under the bus as the reason? Or the coaches under the bus while 4-10 yr vets all get a pass because they can drop buckets? That's now how winning works.

Kanter came off the bench on a winning team because even though he can get buckets and rebs. He misses assignments. Beasley even though he can drop buckets the reason he was available for league min. Because he misses assignments as well a some other knocks. But at league min salary he produces more then he gives away. Problem is having to depend on him for offense rather then him being a bonus. Burke has just started for us so I dont have any real judgment other the that pull up off the pick was a thing of beauty last night.

But as the roster gets molded going forward. More imposing defensive presence in the paint next to KP is necessary. Need more length and athleticism at the forward spot to replace Lance and Dougie.

Good forwards with length help out in the paint, on the glass, and on the perimeter. We lack the length and athleticism here compared to most other teams.

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1/26/2018  12:29 PM
If Horny doesn't get fired, would that confirm the stealth tanking approach? We have some entertaining ball movement on O but no D.

Wonder what it would take to get Herb back from the Liberty?

You guys spend a lot of time commenting on the internet?
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1/26/2018  1:32 PM
EnySpree wrote:The Knicks are more concerned with clogging the paint than finding the shooters. That's it in a nutshell. Lance the super defender is the main culprit.

Baker and Frank can defend but can't score. Him and Frank love to pass up shots to jam a pass to a teammate. That's another thing. Its no fun when teams are putting out better offensive units than you are. KP was taking a ton of bad shots. Bad no fun shots. Lee had the ball often just crossing it over like he got it like that. Lee Is gabbing a career year with 13 pts per game. He's a career 10pt per game guy. He's not built to be crossing it over looking for a shot.

Point I'm trying to make is Horny is killing himself playing role players and specialists heavy minutes just for the sake of playing defense. Well it's not working. We were doing fine a month ago.... yeah we're playing alot of road games now, but we just aren't making the right adjustments. I feel like Horny is a good coach that just lost a handle of his roster.

dude...what do you expect him to do? the team is FULL of role players....has been for years.

Hornacek is not the problem, imo...its the roster. I hope people will start seeing it now. We killed Melo for trying to do to much and, soon, we will be doing the same to Porzingas. Knicks have not put out a quality NBA roster in years.

Best we can do, as fans, is just ride out the season and hope the new regime has a plan in place. Unfortunately, the Knicks quick start to the season raised everyones expectation and now that reality has set in, everyone is disappointed and ready to jump off a bridge.

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1/26/2018  2:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/26/2018  2:10 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:
EnySpree wrote:The Knicks are more concerned with clogging the paint than finding the shooters. That's it in a nutshell. Lance the super defender is the main culprit.

Baker and Frank can defend but can't score. Him and Frank love to pass up shots to jam a pass to a teammate. That's another thing. Its no fun when teams are putting out better offensive units than you are. KP was taking a ton of bad shots. Bad no fun shots. Lee had the ball often just crossing it over like he got it like that. Lee Is gabbing a career year with 13 pts per game. He's a career 10pt per game guy. He's not built to be crossing it over looking for a shot.

Point I'm trying to make is Horny is killing himself playing role players and specialists heavy minutes just for the sake of playing defense. Well it's not working. We were doing fine a month ago.... yeah we're playing alot of road games now, but we just aren't making the right adjustments. I feel like Horny is a good coach that just lost a handle of his roster.

dude...what do you expect him to do? the team is FULL of role players....has been for years.

Hornacek is not the problem, imo...its the roster. I hope people will start seeing it now. We killed Melo for trying to do to much and, soon, we will be doing the same to Porzingas. Knicks have not put out a quality NBA roster in years.

Best we can do, as fans, is just ride out the season and hope the new regime has a plan in place. Unfortunately, the Knicks quick start to the season raised everyones expectation and now that reality has set in, everyone is disappointed and ready to jump off a bridge.

Melo was killed because he disregarded his teammates. I don't want to talk about him.

We don't have to play lance 30 minutes. We don't have to play Baker 30 minutes. Lee isn't a legit #2 opt-in but he's always left with KP trying to make comebacks.

THJr is our most important player. We can't win without him. Beasley should be on that level. Beasley win more than a few games for us this year with his play. Last night they froze him out in the first half. He was playing horrible because he was looking for the ball and the team had no tight to give it to him. In the 3rd quarter he pulled us out the grave with Burke by himself. That's the coaches all the way.... Beasley could have had 40 points last night. We need to feature him.

You know why I'm here....
125+ points 3 straight games..is anybody listening

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