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EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd

I agree with you. But do you not think that KCP can play SF? This is a league where position matters less. He's athletic and can defend. But it's just a question. I don't know enough about his skillset to decide for myself really. Otherwise i agree. I like our future SG combo of Hardaway starting with Dotson emerging as a quality 3-and-D backup.

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EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd
I agree with you. But do you not think that KCP can play SF? This is a league where position matters less. He's athletic and can defend. But it's just a question. I don't know enough about his skillset to decide for myself really. Otherwise i agree. I like our future SG combo of Hardaway starting with Dotson emerging as a quality 3-and-D backup.

This article is shaky. Not even a quote from unidentified source. This signing would make little sense given team needs and cap considerations.

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KCP, if clean, is the real deal. Assume for a moment that Lee and Thomas are no longer on the team. Depending upon how we match up, three guards can work. Also, he’s a much better defensive player than Tim and can score. If KCP can be secured he can take Lee’s role, and unlike Lee who at 32-33 is getting Long in the tooth for defensive purposes, Pope fits like a glove

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EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd

KCP can play SF and has played there. He's got the length and athleticism to play there, if C.Lee can play there then KCP definitely can. I'll be in the minority on this but i don't think it would be a bad signing or fit.

PG--T.Burke/Frank--Burke brings the offense and Frank brings the defense
SG--Timmy--He's changed his game to being a good all around player
SF--KCP--3-D player and could really use his defense at the 3 spot
PF--KP6
C--Robert Williams--He would fit perfect with this lineup playing next to KP. His defense is great.
6th man--C.Lee

So as you can see we'd be drafting R.Williams with our 1st round pick and if not him then another center that plays great defense.

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EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd

KCP can play SF and has played there. He's got the length and athleticism to play there, if C.Lee can play there then KCP definitely can. I'll be in the minority on this but i don't think it would be a bad signing or fit.
PG--T.Burke/Frank--Burke brings the offense and Frank brings the defense
SG--Timmy--He's changed his game to being a good all around player
SF--KCP--3-D player and could really use his defense at the 3 spot
PF--KP6
C--Robert Williams--He would fit perfect with this lineup playing next to KP. His defense is great.
6th man--C.Lee
So as you can see we'd be drafting R.Williams with our 1st round pick and if not him then another center that plays great defense.

The problem is neither Lee nor THJ should be playing SF. KCP only continue to leave us undersized there. Plus KCP has proven to be inconsistent as .a scorer and starter. I'd like him more as a 6th or 7th man type, but I don't think we should be handing out large contracts this summer

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EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd

KCP can play SF and has played there. He's got the length and athleticism to play there, if C.Lee can play there then KCP definitely can. I'll be in the minority on this but i don't think it would be a bad signing or fit.
PG--T.Burke/Frank--Burke brings the offense and Frank brings the defense
SG--Timmy--He's changed his game to being a good all around player
SF--KCP--3-D player and could really use his defense at the 3 spot
PF--KP6
C--Robert Williams--He would fit perfect with this lineup playing next to KP. His defense is great.
6th man--C.Lee
So as you can see we'd be drafting R.Williams with our 1st round pick and if not him then another center that plays great defense.
The problem is neither Lee nor THJ should be playing SF. KCP only continue to leave us undersized there. Plus KCP has proven to be inconsistent as .a scorer and starter. I'd like him more as a 6th or 7th man type, but I don't think we should be handing out large contracts this summer

We don't need his scoring when we have T.Burke, Timmy and KP on the floor with him even though he isn't a bad 3 point shooter but it would be about his defense which is really good. We need defense and KCP brings that defense from the SF spot. I know he's not typical SF size but the NBA is changing with positions being about size.

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EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd

This... he's not bigger or better at anything more than THjr and Lee for that matter.

He's middle tier.

I would be more inclined to look at a guy like Randle who play defense and could be grabbed for money.

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Knixkik wrote:
EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd
I agree with you. But do you not think that KCP can play SF? This is a league where position matters less. He's athletic and can defend. But it's just a question. I don't know enough about his skillset to decide for myself really. Otherwise i agree. I like our future SG combo of Hardaway starting with Dotson emerging as a quality 3-and-D backup.

This article is shaky. Not even a quote from unidentified source. This signing would make little sense given team needs and cap considerations.

This. Went back and read it again after I saw your comment. Nothing there. Still got a notification on my phone though.

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CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd
I agree with you. But do you not think that KCP can play SF? This is a league where position matters less. He's athletic and can defend. But it's just a question. I don't know enough about his skillset to decide for myself really. Otherwise i agree. I like our future SG combo of Hardaway starting with Dotson emerging as a quality 3-and-D backup.

This article is shaky. Not even a quote from unidentified source. This signing would make little sense given team needs and cap considerations.

This. Went back and read it again after I saw your comment. Nothing there. Still got a notification on my phone though.

Typical Knicks beat writer fluff.

Knicks expressed interest (at some point in time) in wing players. A random wing player is available in the offseason. No likelihood of fit. TIME TO WRITE AN ARTICLE!!!

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newyorker4ever wrote:
EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd

KCP can play SF and has played there. He's got the length and athleticism to play there, if C.Lee can play there then KCP definitely can. I'll be in the minority on this but i don't think it would be a bad signing or fit.
PG--T.Burke/Frank--Burke brings the offense and Frank brings the defense
SG--Timmy--He's changed his game to being a good all around player
SF--KCP--3-D player and could really use his defense at the 3 spot
PF--KP6
C--Robert Williams--He would fit perfect with this lineup playing next to KP. His defense is great.
6th man--C.Lee
So as you can see we'd be drafting R.Williams with our 1st round pick and if not him then another center that plays great defense.
The problem is neither Lee nor THJ should be playing SF. KCP only continue to leave us undersized there. Plus KCP has proven to be inconsistent as .a scorer and starter. I'd like him more as a 6th or 7th man type, but I don't think we should be handing out large contracts this summer

He’s averaging 14 ppg and 5 boards on a team that’s loaded with shooters. Meanwhile 1.7 steals, 24/25 years old and solid Defense. I like him lots.

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martin wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
EnySpree wrote:No... THJr is our shooting guard. We need a small fwd.
Dotson is working hard too to emerge as a backup or more. Really need that small fwd
I agree with you. But do you not think that KCP can play SF? This is a league where position matters less. He's athletic and can defend. But it's just a question. I don't know enough about his skillset to decide for myself really. Otherwise i agree. I like our future SG combo of Hardaway starting with Dotson emerging as a quality 3-and-D backup.

This article is shaky. Not even a quote from unidentified source. This signing would make little sense given team needs and cap considerations.

This. Went back and read it again after I saw your comment. Nothing there. Still got a notification on my phone though.
Typical Knicks beat writer fluff.
Knicks expressed interest (at some point in time) in wing players. A random wing player is available in the offseason. No likelihood of fit. TIME TO WRITE AN ARTICLE!!!

sounds spot on

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No way around it...

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Why? Are we trying to corner the market on mediocre SG? Are league-average players the new market inefficiency?

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Knixkik wrote:It would ultimately come down to money, and if they think he can play SF.

His agent is Rich Paul/Klutch Sports.

That means any time something happens with KCP that LeBron James does not like, he's going to blather about it in the press.

By proxy, through KCP, Paul and LBJ will start making demands of the Knicks franchise. I.E. trade for more Klutch Sports represented players. Draft guys signed with Klutch Sports.

LBJ runs Klutch Sports. This is illegal under the current CBA and all modern CBAs. But Nike wants him happy and the networks want Nike happy so everyone just sort of shrugs and pretends its not happening.

The last thing the Knicks need is an idiot like LBJ feeling he's ENTITLED to tell the Knicks franchise how to run itself.

It's like a season of Entourage. LBJ is Vincent Chase. The golden ticket. Rich Paul is Turtle. The hanger-on who has power by extension, even though he's an idiot too.

Do you want the real life version of Turtle telling the Knicks how to run shop? That's the price that comes with KCP or any Klutch client.

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Knixkik wrote:It would ultimately come down to money, and if they think he can play SF.

His agent is Rich Paul/Klutch Sports.
That means any time something happens with KCP that LeBron James does not like, he's going to blather about it in the press.
By proxy, through KCP, Paul and LBJ will start making demands of the Knicks franchise. I.E. trade for more Klutch Sports represented players. Draft guys signed with Klutch Sports.
LBJ runs Klutch Sports. This is illegal under the current CBA and all modern CBAs. But Nike wants him happy and the networks want Nike happy so everyone just sort of shrugs and pretends its not happening.
The last thing the Knicks need is an idiot like LBJ feeling he's ENTITLED to tell the Knicks franchise how to run itself.
It's like a season of Entourage. LBJ is Vincent Chase. The golden ticket. Rich Paul is Turtle. The hanger-on who has power by extension, even though he's an idiot too.
Do you want the real life version of Turtle telling the Knicks how to run shop? That's the price that comes with KCP or any Klutch client.

If LbJ ends up in LA, hopefully he will have other matters on his mind that the integration of KCP.

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we need basically another young 6-7 player who can interchange well with hardaway, now you can label them SF, SG whatever you want but 6-9 might be too tall and slow to guard some SGs so someone that can switch on D and defend SF or SF would be nice. Like Lee's younger brother...wouldn't mind that.

Btw, Lee has not been a problem this season. Very consistent on a friendly deal. I think we have to draft our next SF.

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We need a real 6'8"-6'9" Defensive SF that can guard the 3 and 4 positions. KCP is undersized and will probably cost too much. I would pass on him.

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