newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I think we should have a rule where every rookie we draft is traded after 45 games.

KP will be the Knicks first lotto pick to stick for 3 full seasons since the 2nd yr the lottery was in place(1986).

Was Greg Anthony a lottery pick? Hill, Frye, Gallo were not great picks in my opinion. Loved the Nene pick but hated the draft night trade. Think that is it for Knick lotto picks but I might be wrong.

Kenny Walker, Greg Anthony just missed that lottery bubble as at that time lotto was up to 11 picks.

Sweetney would be the only one you are missing. Since 01-02 basically the end of the Spree-Houston-Camby era. Knicks have missed the playoffs 12 times while only drafting in the lotto 6 times. Then with the 5 we drafted not counting Frank only KP has lasted for 3 full years.

They weren't great picks. But Nene, Sweetney, Frye, & Hill were all traded in bad short sighted win now trades that ended up hurting the team in the long run.

And that's the crux of the issue for me- some people on these boards seem to think if a player we draft isn't a superstar then they're worthless and must be traded at once. These are the same people who then cry and say we should never have traded them a few years later when they become good role players after their teams have spent a few years developing them.

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I think we should have a rule where every rookie we draft is traded after 45 games.

KP will be the Knicks first lotto pick to stick for 3 full seasons since the 2nd yr the lottery was in place(1986).

Was Greg Anthony a lottery pick? Hill, Frye, Gallo were not great picks in my opinion. Loved the Nene pick but hated the draft night trade. Think that is it for Knick lotto picks but I might be wrong.

Kenny Walker, Greg Anthony just missed that lottery bubble as at that time lotto was up to 11 picks.

Sweetney would be the only one you are missing. Since 01-02 basically the end of the Spree-Houston-Camby era. Knicks have missed the playoffs 12 times while only drafting in the lotto 6 times. Then with the 5 we drafted not counting Frank only KP has lasted for 3 full years.

They weren't great picks. But Nene, Sweetney, Frye, & Hill were all traded in bad short sighted win now trades that ended up hurting the team in the long run.

Walker was the 5th pick in the draft

Jmpasq wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I think we should have a rule where every rookie we draft is traded after 45 games.

KP will be the Knicks first lotto pick to stick for 3 full seasons since the 2nd yr the lottery was in place(1986).

Was Greg Anthony a lottery pick? Hill, Frye, Gallo were not great picks in my opinion. Loved the Nene pick but hated the draft night trade. Think that is it for Knick lotto picks but I might be wrong.

Kenny Walker, Greg Anthony just missed that lottery bubble as at that time lotto was up to 11 picks.

Sweetney would be the only one you are missing. Since 01-02 basically the end of the Spree-Houston-Camby era. Knicks have missed the playoffs 12 times while only drafting in the lotto 6 times. Then with the 5 we drafted not counting Frank only KP has lasted for 3 full years.

They weren't great picks. But Nene, Sweetney, Frye, & Hill were all traded in bad short sighted win now trades that ended up hurting the team in the long run.

Did anyone here like the Mcydess trade? I loved Camby was so pissed when we got rid of him. Could you imagine had we just drafted Amare and kept Camby.

TLover wrote:I’m a Burke believer bc he refined his skill & mental set (like Hardaway) in the D league.. hence I’d take a chance in trading Frank for a return that may never be higher.

Frank is already a top Defender among rookies. Top 3 in Assist Ratio among rookies. His only major issue is exactly what we knew it would be. He’s got time to work on his offense going forward. He wasn’t drafted cuz they thought he’d light it up day one!

Donovan Mitchell is all the rage but when he was 19 he wasn’t draft worthy. On top of that he’s more of an undersized SG. Frank isn’t a small fast twitch type so yeah he looks more robotic than a typical PG.

Gotta stick with the kid and allow him time to develop. I expect he’s going to fill out his frame quite a bit which will give him some strength to finish better and muscle smaller guards.

We need a guard that will bring the ball up, set the offense up and make outside shots to keep spacing for Kp and Tim.

This year Frank is a rookie PG and his decision making is inconsistent. This will improve the fastest with experience. I'm sure he will work on his jumper.

What we need is a big to pair with KP that can play fast and spread the floor, rebound.
CLee can suffice as starter until we get better there.

We really need that lineup where KP, Tim can play freely. CLee and Frank are good complementary two way guys. The missing piece is the fifth starter. It's not Kanter. We should be looking to find someone like Beasley but with better size and defense.

Julius Randle is a guy I'd look at this summer if we can clear cap space ... has been defending the 5 for the Lakers this year and rebounds well. Would allow KP to play 5 or 4. Lakers aren't matching. They may even do a deal now for OQuinn, two second rounders.

Its not a given that a switch will go on, and Frank will consistently push the tempo, as pretty much everyone on the team has encouraged him to do. He's learning now that his unwillingness to push the tempo (for whatever the reason) has consequences. Its up to Frank to respond.

nixluva wrote:

TLover wrote:I’m a Burke believer bc he refined his skill & mental set (like Hardaway) in the D league.. hence I’d take a chance in trading Frank for a return that may never be higher.

Frank is already a top Defender among rookies. Top 3 in Assist Ratio among rookies. His only major issue is exactly what we knew it would be. He’s got time to work on his offense going forward. He wasn’t drafted cuz they thought he’d light it up day one!

Donovan Mitchell is all the rage but when he was 19 he wasn’t draft worthy. On top of that he’s more of an undersized SG. Frank isn’t a small fast twitch type so yeah he looks more robotic than a typical PG.

Gotta stick with the kid and allow him time to develop. I expect he’s going to fill out his frame quite a bit which will give him some strength to finish better and muscle smaller guards.

I couldn't agree more, patience is key. Would've been nice to be rolling w/ Rubio and Mitchell, but Frank is no scrub.

If anything, Perry should scrap a run at the playoffs and start unloading O'Quinn, Lee, Beasley, and any others that bring value to a contending team and help accumulate assets for a deep draft class. If Kanter was able to yield a serious return, I'd even trade him. I'm sure if Wily wasn't such a question mark he'd be on the block by now.

2 inches taller, 2 years younger. In the next year or 2, Ntilikina might get a little more explosive (ie build fast twitch muscles) as his body matures & trains with an NBA staff. He already has pretty good court sense and already sees the floor well from a defensive standpoint.