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EnySpree
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1/15/2018  9:15 AM
He's averaging 12pts and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes per game...

He's averaging 23pts and 9rebounds per 36 minutes...

In the 6 games prior to the Minnesota game, he averaged 20pts 9 rebounds in 27 minutes...

But against The pelicans he gets 9 minutes?

The last game they beat the pelicans... he scored 15pts in 20 minutes. Is it a coincidence KP had a dominant game dropping 30pts?

Wtf is going on?

He's shooting 52% from the field... 37% from 3

What excuse do we have for not permanently featuring him in the offense?

The lame excuse of needing Beasley off the bench to have scoring when KP is on the bench...is tired!!!!

Beas coming off the bench is fine but he absolutely needs 30 minutes and to be active in the offense. Im really furious about this. We got posters wanting to play guys that don't deserve to play, but a guy that absolutely deserves starters minutes is thrown to the wayside. It's complete garbage.

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1/15/2018  10:01 AM
Beasley is a nice spark but obviously hurts us on defense and is doing what he's doing in part because of his role. If his role and usage increased, he probably wouldn't be the same efficient scorer. Definitely not anywhere near our best player, but a nice spark in a scoring role.
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1/15/2018  10:30 AM    LAST EDITED: 1/15/2018  10:41 AM
True... but that would upset KP'shine.

Totally agree that he should be playing more minutes and should be highlighted at times. He is such a good post up player that creates a problem for defenses and frees up other players. Think that is what KP's game is missing.

While true that the match up last night would have made it tough for him to defend Davis or Cousins. But still, 9 minutes is way low as Demarcus and Davis were not in the entire 53 minutes.

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1/15/2018  11:22 AM
Beasley is a frustrating mix of great talent and weird disinterest. If I were coaching him, I'd be vacillating between featuring him and sitting him. He deserved to be sat yesterday. I'm sure I'm not the only one who remembers him turning the ball over in a boneheaded play -- that's OK, I can live with one or two of those every game -- and then just watching and shaking his head in the backcourt for a few counts before jogging back. His man scored, of course. You cannot allow your players to do that as a coach. If they don't hustle, particularly after their own mistake, they have to sit. No two ways about it.
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1/15/2018  11:31 AM
I feel like he was getting more focused knowing he was part of things but with THI coming back he felt slighted and smoked his face off and came in unprepared and disconnected. Looked like a guy you cut last night. Worst he’s looked as a Knick.
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1/15/2018  12:17 PM
Knixkik wrote:Beasley is a nice spark but obviously hurts us on defense and is doing what he's doing in part because of his role. If his role and usage increased, he probably wouldn't be the same efficient scorer. Definitely not anywhere near our best player, but a nice spark in a scoring role.

Bull**** because he was being used for 6 straight games playing 27 minutes like I just said. Stop lying to yourself. Averaging 20 points isn't jyst a "nice spark". His defense has been adequate and surely not so bad where we have to bench him for Lance Thomas to grab 1 rebound and 1 point in a game he got 30 mins.

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1/15/2018  12:23 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Beasley is a nice spark but obviously hurts us on defense and is doing what he's doing in part because of his role. If his role and usage increased, he probably wouldn't be the same efficient scorer. Definitely not anywhere near our best player, but a nice spark in a scoring role.

Bull**** because he was being used for 6 straight games playing 27 minutes like I just said. Stop lying to yourself. Averaging 20 points isn't jyst a "nice spark". His defense has been adequate and surely not so bad where we have to bench him for Lance Thomas to grab 1 rebound and 1 point in a game he got 30 mins.

One thing he does for the bench that you're selling short is Beasley's ability to stay calm when the game gets out of hand, rally the team. Lots of times when Beasley was the only one holding things together for the second unit. We need PG help in the starting lineup, more than anything right now.
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1/15/2018  12:23 PM
Zebo13 wrote:I feel like he was getting more focused knowing he was part of things but with THI coming back he felt slighted and smoked his face off and came in unprepared and disconnected. Looked like a guy you cut last night. Worst he’s looked as a Knick.

Lie...

He missed his first two shots and Horny yanked him. Then he got back in and got yanked again after he missed his next two shots.

That's what happened. That's bull**** coaching and if I were Beasley I would be raising hell. That's terrible coaching. We need to force the Pelicans to play defense. Once they did, we turned into a clueless team that just wanted to iso every time down. The answer isn't to limit ourselves on offense just to play better defense... the answer is to shove the ball down teams necks and then hey stops when we need to. I'm really sick of this garbage

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1/15/2018  12:46 PM
Why are all these stipulations placed on Beasley but nobody else? At times Kanter and KP gets abused on defense... why doesn't Noah start ahead of them? Noah didn't even play when Davis is dropping 47 on that ass. Therss really np excuse for this
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1/15/2018  1:39 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Knixkik wrote:Beasley is a nice spark but obviously hurts us on defense and is doing what he's doing in part because of his role. If his role and usage increased, he probably wouldn't be the same efficient scorer. Definitely not anywhere near our best player, but a nice spark in a scoring role.

Bull**** because he was being used for 6 straight games playing 27 minutes like I just said. Stop lying to yourself. Averaging 20 points isn't jyst a "nice spark". His defense has been adequate and surely not so bad where we have to bench him for Lance Thomas to grab 1 rebound and 1 point in a game he got 30 mins.

I agree he should be taking some of Lance's minutes. I know Beasley has been great in increased minutes, but he's not a guy defenses are keying on. It feels like teams are okay letting him get his points. If he became a focal point and continued to surge, opponents would treat him differently and he would have big adjustments to make. He's living the life right now. He can score a ton of points and be the hero once in awhile and not feel the pressure of rounding out his game or making mistakes. His role is defined and it has helped him. I hope we resign him as he is a great rotation player who should be playing 20 mpg and see an increase when we need points in a hurry.
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1/15/2018  1:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/15/2018  1:43 PM
EnySpree wrote:Why are all these stipulations placed on Beasley but nobody else? At times Kanter and KP gets abused on defense... why doesn't Noah start ahead of them? Noah didn't even play when Davis is dropping 47 on that ass. Therss really np excuse for this

I haven't really seen Porzingis get "abused" much. Maybe by Anthony Davis but that's about it. Porzingis has been one of the best defensive big men in the league. Currently leading the league in blocks and FG% at the rim. And we know he alters so much more. He doesn't get beat by stretch 4s on the perimeter as much as last year. He makes mistakes still, but it's hard to say he's not doing his job when the numbers clearly say otherwise. Defensively, there's not much else to really hold him accountable for. Certainly not a 1-on-1 matchup with Davis, who just put on an absolute show hitting tough shots and finishing plays.
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1/15/2018  2:32 PM
Knixkik wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Why are all these stipulations placed on Beasley but nobody else? At times Kanter and KP gets abused on defense... why doesn't Noah start ahead of them? Noah didn't even play when Davis is dropping 47 on that ass. Therss really np excuse for this

I haven't really seen Porzingis get "abused" much. Maybe by Anthony Davis but that's about it. Porzingis has been one of the best defensive big men in the league. Currently leading the league in blocks and FG% at the rim. And we know he alters so much more. He doesn't get beat by stretch 4s on the perimeter as much as last year. He makes mistakes still, but it's hard to say he's not doing his job when the numbers clearly say otherwise. Defensively, there's not much else to really hold him accountable for. Certainly not a 1-on-1 matchup with Davis, who just put on an absolute show hitting tough shots and finishing plays.

Did the kid from the Bulls not bust his ass the other night? I know you are searching for ways to defend KP here.... but the real point is guys are allowed to play bad but Beas somehow held to a higher standard and pigeon holed into this specialist role, but clearly had surpassed that this year. No matter how well he plays guys still want to talk about him like he's a straight up bum. He should be a big part of the attack. Fans should be asking questions, but everyone seems ok with Beas minutes. Fans want 2nd rounders to play and bums that cry to the media to play over a guy averaging 20 and 8 in 27 minutes over the prior 6 games. It's a damn shame.

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1/15/2018  2:41 PM
Biz is fine dude... can score in bunches.
If he will have some brain and focus he will be a star.
But you cannot grow this things at his age.
What a waste...
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1/15/2018  3:06 PM
This may be true, but if Beasley is our best player, we are a lottery team.
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1/15/2018  3:21 PM
EnySpree wrote:
Knixkik wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Why are all these stipulations placed on Beasley but nobody else? At times Kanter and KP gets abused on defense... why doesn't Noah start ahead of them? Noah didn't even play when Davis is dropping 47 on that ass. Therss really np excuse for this

I haven't really seen Porzingis get "abused" much. Maybe by Anthony Davis but that's about it. Porzingis has been one of the best defensive big men in the league. Currently leading the league in blocks and FG% at the rim. And we know he alters so much more. He doesn't get beat by stretch 4s on the perimeter as much as last year. He makes mistakes still, but it's hard to say he's not doing his job when the numbers clearly say otherwise. Defensively, there's not much else to really hold him accountable for. Certainly not a 1-on-1 matchup with Davis, who just put on an absolute show hitting tough shots and finishing plays.

Did the kid from the Bulls not bust his ass the other night? I know you are searching for ways to defend KP here.... but the real point is guys are allowed to play bad but Beas somehow held to a higher standard and pigeon holed into this specialist role, but clearly had surpassed that this year. No matter how well he plays guys still want to talk about him like he's a straight up bum. He should be a big part of the attack. Fans should be asking questions, but everyone seems ok with Beas minutes. Fans want 2nd rounders to play and bums that cry to the media to play over a guy averaging 20 and 8 in 27 minutes over the prior 6 games. It's a damn shame.


Just seems like guys are looking at Porzingis' shooting numbers and say he's playing poorly, ignoring the other end of the floor. Porzingis has been elite on that end. There is a reason Beasley is a journeyman and had to sign for the minumum. He should continue to thrive in this role and maybe even with a slight increase. But if we are expecting him to be a major guy each night, we are in trouble.
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1/15/2018  3:22 PM
Beasley is our best player?? Hahahahaha please tell me that was a joke right?? If not then whoever actually thinks that needs to re-evaluate their knowledge of the game of basketball.

Beasley is our best player...Hahahahahahaha What a joke.
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1/15/2018  4:41 PM
EnySpree wrote:Why are all these stipulations placed on Beasley but nobody else? At times Kanter and KP gets abused on defense... why doesn't Noah start ahead of them? Noah didn't even play when Davis is dropping 47 on that ass. Therss really np excuse for this

Why do you believe Beas has been a journeyman in the league so far. ??

Are all the GMs garbage and Bulls**t as you suggest or do the coaches and GMs know something you may not ? Just wondering ?
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1/16/2018  1:28 AM
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1/16/2018  6:22 AM
The problem with Beasley is that he has never proven to be consistently reliable on defense or efficient on offense. This season, he appears to have found a nice balance and Horny has been able to get him to try harder on defense. The guy clearly has first round talent, and if he had been more disciplined when he first entered the league, he probably would be considered a borderline all-star. He is the power forward version of J.R. Smith, a guy with alot of talent that teams can never rely on because you don't know what you are going to get. However, if he plays this disciplined for the rest of his career, he can be a good rotation player. The Knicks will probably try to keep him for the right price.
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1/16/2018  6:50 AM
EnySpree wrote:He's averaging 12pts and 5 rebounds in 18 minutes per game...

He's averaging 23pts and 9rebounds per 36 minutes...

In the 6 games prior to the Minnesota game, he averaged 20pts 9 rebounds in 27 minutes...

But against The pelicans he gets 9 minutes?

The last game they beat the pelicans... he scored 15pts in 20 minutes. Is it a coincidence KP had a dominant game dropping 30pts?

Wtf is going on?

He's shooting 52% from the field... 37% from 3

What excuse do we have for not permanently featuring him in the offense?

The lame excuse of needing Beasley off the bench to have scoring when KP is on the bench...is tired!!!!

Beas coming off the bench is fine but he absolutely needs 30 minutes and to be active in the offense. Im really furious about this. We got posters wanting to play guys that don't deserve to play, but a guy that absolutely deserves starters minutes is thrown to the wayside. It's complete garbage.


I wonder what kind of offers he will get next year. I think it would be a mistake to give him anything more than 1 or 2 year deals. As good as he can be offensively he is still overall a net negative. He can work in certain lineups but playing Porzingis and Beasley together is an awful idea. Way to much ISO, and basically no passing at all. Taking anything away but being happy about the win on the road against a talentless Nets team is a mistake.
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