Vmart wrote:Winning championships was put aside once Phil was let go. These two guys Mills and Perry are jokes. Jeff Hornaceck isn’t the answer his system sucks. This team struggles because they have no system. They don’t have any go to set or system that the players can execute on a regular basis. Phil tried to instill that when the honing got tough they could rely on the old reliable system Ball. To carry them through.

Simple put, HE doesn't have the guards to run his system. His system is best run with a 3 guard alignment where they can run and up the pace for easy offense. That play he set up for KP to tie the game on a dunk was vintage JH, normally that would be a quick guard.

LEE, kp, FRANK, JACK, LANCE, HAVE COMBINE to take 18 Free throws in the last 4 games, 10 of which came from KP, and he missed 7 of them, Lee hasn't shot a FT in 4 games.

Kp is pure trash right now (3 points after 3 qtrs plus OT), frank is pointless, jack tries, but by the 4th qtr his gassed because frank couldn't hold down the fort.

Kanter in the 4th qtr is also a waist of time,

Vmart wrote:Winning championships was put aside once Phil was let go. These two guys Mills and Perry are jokes. Jeff Hornaceck isn’t the answer his system sucks. This team struggles because they have no system. They don’t have any go to set or system that the players can execute on a regular basis. Phil tried to instill that when the going got tough they could rely on the old reliable system Ball. To carry them through.

Huh? Phil hired JH???

This whole thread is typical fanatic bull****. The team is fine and so is the coach. Last night's loss was due to a very good player having an unstoppable night. Any solution, you arm chair homers try to give, would not have made a damn of a difference. This team is a high level PG and wing away from being a solid playoff team. But even then, believe it or not, we won't go undefeated. #stopthepanic.

MS wrote:You don’t have to fire him. His adjustments are just poor.

But, if you can’t score you need Beasley. If you can’t defend you bring in Noah like you did when he held cousins in check two weeks ago.

There was no way this should have been a loss.

There's no way KP or Kanter could stay with AD or TOWNS, and to not give NOAH a shot, was a horrible decision..

Team is lacking spacing and 3's and to not play Mcd more, is also dumb

arkrud wrote:Hornachek is development coach.
His task is to develop players and establish winning culture.
Team cannot win with players we currently have and it is no need for this.
We need cap space, picks, and prospects for chip to build up assets.
Horny is right where he should be.
Fans who think this team will have a winning record any time soon are kidding themselves.

So who exactly has Horny developed? KP is becoming bad-Melo with blocks. Frank is regressing. Willy went from a decent young piece last year to a nothing. Baker has gone backwards. Dotson gets no play.
It seems that Horny has been developing our old guys like Lance, Jack and Beasley.
That's NOT what this franchise needs.

CrushAlot wrote:

reub wrote:

arkrud wrote:Hornachek is development coach.
His task is to develop players and establish winning culture.
Team cannot win with players we currently have and it is no need for this.
We need cap space, picks, and prospects for chip to build up assets.
Horny is right where he should be.
Fans who think this team will have a winning record any time soon are kidding themselves.

So who exactly has Horny developed? KP is becoming bad Melo with blocks. Frank is refressing. Willy went from a decent young piece last year to a nothing. Baker has goin backwards. Dotson gets no play.
It seems that Horny has been developing our old guys like Lance, Jack and Beasley.
That's NOT what this franchise needs.

If you are developing a culture of defense, winning, continuity etc. you don't start by playing guys that don't earn minutes. If coaches are getting fired for not playing second round picks and undrafted players then there would be a lot of openings in the nba.
In regards to Porzingis, the situation with the team was so toxic last year that he stayed away all summer and did not work with anyone associated with the team. He also did not work with a coach from the team in Latvia because that guy was let go.

I guess that's one way to describe it. Another way would be that he knew he was going to play for the National team and wanted to do a full summer workout without going back and forth to NY too much and also wanted to be around family so he decided to work out in Latvia. Also, the one main trainer he worked with was from Europe, so that *could* have been a deciding factor.

reub wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

reub wrote:

arkrud wrote:Hornachek is development coach.
His task is to develop players and establish winning culture.
Team cannot win with players we currently have and it is no need for this.
We need cap space, picks, and prospects for chip to build up assets.
Horny is right where he should be.
Fans who think this team will have a winning record any time soon are kidding themselves.

So who exactly has Horny developed? KP is becoming bad Melo with blocks. Frank is refressing. Willy went from a decent young piece last year to a nothing. Baker has goin backwards. Dotson gets no play.
It seems that Horny has been developing our old guys like Lance, Jack and Beasley.
That's NOT what this franchise needs.

If you are developing a culture of defense, winning, continuity etc. you don't start by playing guys that don't earn minutes. If coaches are getting fired for not playing second round picks and undrafted players then there would be a lot of openings in the nba.
In regards to Porzingis, the situation with the team was so toxic last year that he stayed away all summer and did not work with anyone associated with the team. He also did not work with a coach from the team in Latvia because that guy was let go.

We all know that KP wouldn't even answer Horny's calls in the offseason after he called him a *****. He's alienated our star player and because of that lost contact with him before the season started. But he's using him all wrong and burning him out too.
Please remember that Draymond was a 2nd rounder too so just saying that a 2nd rounder doesn't deserve playing time because of where he was drafted is missing the point. How does it help our future to play Lance so much and Dotson and Willy not at all? It doesn't.

Zebo13 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:Winning championships was put aside once Phil was let go. These two guys Mills and Perry are jokes. Jeff Hornaceck isn’t the answer his system sucks. This team struggles because they have no system. They don’t have any go to set or system that the players can execute on a regular basis. Phil tried to instill that when the going got tough they could rely on the old reliable system Ball. To carry them through.

Huh? Phil hired JH???

This whole thread is typical fanatic bull****. The team is fine and so is the coach. Last night's loss was due to a very good player having an unstoppable night. Any solution, you arm chair homers try to give, would not have made a damn of a difference. This team is a high level PG and wing away from being a solid playoff team. But even then, believe it or not, we won't go undefeated. #stopthepanic.

Well said.

No the Knicks lost because they score 13 points in the 4th quarter.

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:Winning championships was put aside once Phil was let go. These two guys Mills and Perry are jokes. Jeff Hornaceck isn’t the answer his system sucks. This team struggles because they have no system. They don’t have any go to set or system that the players can execute on a regular basis. Phil tried to instill that when the going got tough they could rely on the old reliable system Ball. To carry them through.

Huh? Phil hired JH???

This whole thread is typical fanatic bull****. The team is fine and so is the coach. Last night's loss was due to a very good player having an unstoppable night. Any solution, you arm chair homers try to give, would not have made a damn of a difference. This team is a high level PG and wing away from being a solid playoff team. But even then, believe it or not, we won't go undefeated. #stopthepanic.

Phil hired JH to run and learn his system. Now that Phil is gone this guy has revert to the only thing he knows. He needs to get back to what Phil taught him. Here is another problem I have why does JH start the same unit that blew the lead in The 4th quarter in OT.

What did Phil teach him? The KNicks went 7-16 after it was proclaimed they were running more triangle and Phil became more hands on.

You know damn well that this Knicks never got a chance to run the system the way it was suppose to be run.

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

reub wrote:

arkrud wrote:Hornachek is development coach.
His task is to develop players and establish winning culture.
Team cannot win with players we currently have and it is no need for this.
We need cap space, picks, and prospects for chip to build up assets.
Horny is right where he should be.
Fans who think this team will have a winning record any time soon are kidding themselves.

So who exactly has Horny developed? KP is becoming bad Melo with blocks. Frank is refressing. Willy went from a decent young piece last year to a nothing. Baker has goin backwards. Dotson gets no play.
It seems that Horny has been developing our old guys like Lance, Jack and Beasley.
That's NOT what this franchise needs.

If you are developing a culture of defense, winning, continuity etc. you don't start by playing guys that don't earn minutes. If coaches are getting fired for not playing second round picks and undrafted players then there would be a lot of openings in the nba.
In regards to Porzingis, the situation with the team was so toxic last year that he stayed away all summer and did not work with anyone associated with the team. He also did not work with a coach from the team in Latvia because that guy was let go.

I guess that's one way to describe it. Another way would be that he knew he was going to play for the National team and wanted to do a full summer workout without going back and forth to NY too much and also wanted to be around family so he decided to work out in Latvia. Also, the one main trainer he worked with was from Europe, so that *could* have been a deciding factor.