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1/14/2018  4:51 AM
https://nypost.com/2018/01/13/another-porzingis-winter-slumber-should-terrify-knicks/

Considering his recent shooting slump and defensive lapses, perhaps KP won’t have the stamina To be a rock star after all
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1/14/2018  8:26 AM
or considering his age, skill set and impact on the game maybe he will be
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1/14/2018  8:34 AM
People have to look at it this way.
Each year his November gets better and better.
His slump, each year, the slump numbers are bettter.
His average this year is almost 24 a night.
He's the LEADER in the league in rim protection.
He's a 7'3 nightmare mismatch that draws doubles.

Now is he a finished maxed out product? Far from it. He us only 2 years and 3 months into his NBA career. By those terms he's still very very early in his career. Phil Jackson said KP will need four to five years to be like Pau Gasol body wise. So give him some time. I think he will fill out.

The reason players like CLee, Jack, Kanter. all these guys are getting easy looks is because the defense is focused on KP. The toughest thing to get in the NBA is the thing we already have. A player the opposing defense is set on, keyed in, sending doubles, because they are aware of his scoring abilty. This opens up the game for everyone else. Right now we don't have the star guard to take advantage of that. With Tim we have the wing, but we need that point guard who can do that as well. Once we get that player, with, KP and Timmy, this tean will be a force to be reckoned with.

Again:
season 1 Great start slow middle strong finish 14 ppg
season 2 Great start slow middle strong finish 18 ppg
season 3 Great start slow middle? So far 24 ppg

He's getting better and more productive. That slump/slow middle is really frustrating to watch. But he's a 2 year 3 month NBA player who is still 15 pounds at least underweight and I'm sure after this season of being beat up as the man by defenses he will commit himself to being physically even tougher in the summer. He knows now what kind of fouling and wacking the NBA defenses do to you as the man. This guy is going to be a 27 points a night superstar in a year. He just has to keep working hard in the summer on his body, keep studying game tape on what NBA defenses are doing to him. He will improve. He lives for basketball.
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1/14/2018  8:59 AM
fishmike wrote:or considering his age, skill set and impact on the game maybe he will be

If Ewing had come out after his freshman year, folks would be looking to trade him like they are KP.

I do think there is a fair concern that has to be measured.

The bigger issue is why is he getting played so many minutes in some of these games?

If I am Jeff- I move KP to the bench. That does 2 things. Lights a fire under his ass, and gets him to play less minutes, and maybe gives him a chance to play a bigger role in the 2nd half!
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1/14/2018  9:44 AM
Berman states the obvious we ave talked about for weeks.
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1/14/2018  10:03 AM
nyknickzingis wrote:People have to look at it this way.
Each year his November gets better and better.
His slump, each year, the slump numbers are bettter.
His average this year is almost 24 a night.
He's the LEADER in the league in rim protection.
He's a 7'3 nightmare mismatch that draws doubles.

Now is he a finished maxed out product? Far from it. He us only 2 years and 3 months into his NBA career. By those terms he's still very very early in his career. Phil Jackson said KP will need four to five years to be like Pau Gasol body wise. So give him some time. I think he will fill out.

The reason players like CLee, Jack, Kanter. all these guys are getting easy looks is because the defense is focused on KP. The toughest thing to get in the NBA is the thing we already have. A player the opposing defense is set on, keyed in, sending doubles, because they are aware of his scoring abilty. This opens up the game for everyone else. Right now we don't have the star guard to take advantage of that. With Tim we have the wing, but we need that point guard who can do that as well. Once we get that player, with, KP and Timmy, this tean will be a force to be reckoned with.

Again:
season 1 Great start slow middle strong finish 14 ppg
season 2 Great start slow middle strong finish 18 ppg
season 3 Great start slow middle? So far 24 ppg

He's getting better and more productive. That slump/slow middle is really frustrating to watch. But he's a 2 year 3 month NBA player who is still 15 pounds at least underweight and I'm sure after this season of being beat up as the man by defenses he will commit himself to being physically even tougher in the summer. He knows now what kind of fouling and wacking the NBA defenses do to you as the man. This guy is going to be a 27 points a night superstar in a year. He just has to keep working hard in the summer on his body, keep studying game tape on what NBA defenses are doing to him. He will improve. He lives for basketball.


Nothing has improved. His PPG is higher because he's taking more shots. He's making and missing more shots a game each year. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. The changes in all other areas (assists, rebounds, etc.) are negligible.
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1/14/2018  10:09 AM
Nalod wrote:Berman states the obvious we ave talked about for weeks.
He always does. But I did forget about KP having anemia when playing in Spain. If he is saying he is tired and it relates to a medical condition that is quite different. I wonder if sitting him today so he doesn't have to play in a back to back helps. Cousins and Davis are a tough match up. I am sure he would want to play but it might be the smart thing.
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1/14/2018  10:19 AM
Maybe Briggs can offer vitamin supplements to KP as well as iron rich foods.
Let’s not treat KP like George Murehson yet!!!
Dude is still hanging 24 pats.

Excuses for %:

He gets fouled a lot but not called.
Shot clock chucks
Suppport team not p to par

Reasons to call him a loser:

He is impatient
He is not getting stronger
His exit meeting diva act
Settling for bad shots
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1/14/2018  10:51 AM
Actually have a supplement suggestion for KP. Pycnogenol. Its from the bark of a tree in coastal France. Some studies have shown that it can improve endurance. I first tried it about 10 years ago. Started taking it for a few days, get it into my system.

I remember playing bball in the park, had forgotten I had been taking it when I noticed that I could play longer, more energy. Took a little while to remember I had been taking these pills. Supposed to be very high in anti-oxidants as well.

Some companies tried marketing it for other things and got in trouble, but its claim to fame is endurance. Dont believe its a banned substance.
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GustavBahler wrote:Actually have a supplement suggestion for KP. Pycnogenol. Its from the bark of a tree in coastal France. Some studies have shown that it can improve endurance. I first tried it about 10 years ago. Started taking it for a few days, get it into my system.

I remember playing bball in the park, had forgotten I had been taking it when I noticed that I could play longer, more energy. Took a little while to remember I had been taking these pills. Supposed to be very high in anti-oxidants as well.

Some companies tried marketing it for other things and got in trouble, but its claim to fame is endurance. Dont believe its a banned substance.

Please tell me your kidding?
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1/14/2018  11:41 AM
Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Actually have a supplement suggestion for KP. Pycnogenol. Its from the bark of a tree in coastal France. Some studies have shown that it can improve endurance. I first tried it about 10 years ago. Started taking it for a few days, get it into my system.

I remember playing bball in the park, had forgotten I had been taking it when I noticed that I could play longer, more energy. Took a little while to remember I had been taking these pills. Supposed to be very high in anti-oxidants as well.

Some companies tried marketing it for other things and got in trouble, but its claim to fame is endurance. Dont believe its a banned substance.

Please tell me your kidding?

Kidding? I will save that for your 3000 word conversations with yourself.

KP apparently suffered anemia as a child. Some studies have shown that pycnogenol helps increase the oxygen in your bloodstream.

Ive read quite a few studies on the subject over the years, and have first hand experience as well. Believe its a supplement worth checking out.
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1/14/2018  11:42 AM
Not for nothing KP has come on strong every year as a pro only too slump badly. KP was averaging 20 last season then fell off... seems like history is repeating itself. Dude needs help before he gets hurt...
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1/14/2018  12:20 PM
The Knicks gotta hook KP up with Tom Brady’s trainer.
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1/14/2018  12:36 PM
nyknickzingis wrote:People have to look at it this way.
Each year his November gets better and better.
His slump, each year, the slump numbers are bettter.
His average this year is almost 24 a night.
He's the LEADER in the league in rim protection.
He's a 7'3 nightmare mismatch that draws doubles.

Now is he a finished maxed out product? Far from it. He us only 2 years and 3 months into his NBA career. By those terms he's still very very early in his career. Phil Jackson said KP will need four to five years to be like Pau Gasol body wise. So give him some time. I think he will fill out.

The reason players like CLee, Jack, Kanter. all these guys are getting easy looks is because the defense is focused on KP. The toughest thing to get in the NBA is the thing we already have. A player the opposing defense is set on, keyed in, sending doubles, because they are aware of his scoring abilty. This opens up the game for everyone else. Right now we don't have the star guard to take advantage of that. With Tim we have the wing, but we need that point guard who can do that as well. Once we get that player, with, KP and Timmy, this tean will be a force to be reckoned with.

Again:
season 1 Great start slow middle strong finish 14 ppg
season 2 Great start slow middle strong finish 18 ppg
season 3 Great start slow middle? So far 24 ppg

He's getting better and more productive. That slump/slow middle is really frustrating to watch. But he's a 2 year 3 month NBA player who is still 15 pounds at least underweight and I'm sure after this season of being beat up as the man by defenses he will commit himself to being physically even tougher in the summer. He knows now what kind of fouling and wacking the NBA defenses do to you as the man. This guy is going to be a 27 points a night superstar in a year. He just has to keep working hard in the summer on his body, keep studying game tape on what NBA defenses are doing to him. He will improve. He lives for basketball.

Stop making so much sense. This board isn't capable of rationalizing it.
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Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:People have to look at it this way.
Each year his November gets better and better.
His slump, each year, the slump numbers are bettter.
His average this year is almost 24 a night.
He's the LEADER in the league in rim protection.
He's a 7'3 nightmare mismatch that draws doubles.

Now is he a finished maxed out product? Far from it. He us only 2 years and 3 months into his NBA career. By those terms he's still very very early in his career. Phil Jackson said KP will need four to five years to be like Pau Gasol body wise. So give him some time. I think he will fill out.

The reason players like CLee, Jack, Kanter. all these guys are getting easy looks is because the defense is focused on KP. The toughest thing to get in the NBA is the thing we already have. A player the opposing defense is set on, keyed in, sending doubles, because they are aware of his scoring abilty. This opens up the game for everyone else. Right now we don't have the star guard to take advantage of that. With Tim we have the wing, but we need that point guard who can do that as well. Once we get that player, with, KP and Timmy, this tean will be a force to be reckoned with.

Again:
season 1 Great start slow middle strong finish 14 ppg
season 2 Great start slow middle strong finish 18 ppg
season 3 Great start slow middle? So far 24 ppg

He's getting better and more productive. That slump/slow middle is really frustrating to watch. But he's a 2 year 3 month NBA player who is still 15 pounds at least underweight and I'm sure after this season of being beat up as the man by defenses he will commit himself to being physically even tougher in the summer. He knows now what kind of fouling and wacking the NBA defenses do to you as the man. This guy is going to be a 27 points a night superstar in a year. He just has to keep working hard in the summer on his body, keep studying game tape on what NBA defenses are doing to him. He will improve. He lives for basketball.


Nothing has improved. His PPG is higher because he's taking more shots. He's making and missing more shots a game each year. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. The changes in all other areas (assists, rebounds, etc.) are negligible.
Aside from his increase in scoring and slight increase in 3 pt percentage his numbers are all down.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01.html
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1/14/2018  1:07 PM
We're taking a midseason snapshot if we look at his numbers now. KP doesn't/can't always bring it when he's playing hurt.

It's certainly been a downside to him over his career thus far. It hasn't helped that the overall talent level of this team is such that others can't/don't step up - other than Beasley. :\

Regarding Pycnogenol:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/study-shows-pycnogenol-improves-fitness-and-muscle-recovery-240292841.html

I'm going to do more research for my own personal distance running...

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1/14/2018  1:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2018  1:22 PM
Knixkik wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:People have to look at it this way.
Each year his November gets better and better.
His slump, each year, the slump numbers are bettter.
His average this year is almost 24 a night.
He's the LEADER in the league in rim protection.
He's a 7'3 nightmare mismatch that draws doubles.

Now is he a finished maxed out product? Far from it. He us only 2 years and 3 months into his NBA career. By those terms he's still very very early in his career. Phil Jackson said KP will need four to five years to be like Pau Gasol body wise. So give him some time. I think he will fill out.

The reason players like CLee, Jack, Kanter. all these guys are getting easy looks is because the defense is focused on KP. The toughest thing to get in the NBA is the thing we already have. A player the opposing defense is set on, keyed in, sending doubles, because they are aware of his scoring abilty. This opens up the game for everyone else. Right now we don't have the star guard to take advantage of that. With Tim we have the wing, but we need that point guard who can do that as well. Once we get that player, with, KP and Timmy, this tean will be a force to be reckoned with.

Again:
season 1 Great start slow middle strong finish 14 ppg
season 2 Great start slow middle strong finish 18 ppg
season 3 Great start slow middle? So far 24 ppg

He's getting better and more productive. That slump/slow middle is really frustrating to watch. But he's a 2 year 3 month NBA player who is still 15 pounds at least underweight and I'm sure after this season of being beat up as the man by defenses he will commit himself to being physically even tougher in the summer. He knows now what kind of fouling and wacking the NBA defenses do to you as the man. This guy is going to be a 27 points a night superstar in a year. He just has to keep working hard in the summer on his body, keep studying game tape on what NBA defenses are doing to him. He will improve. He lives for basketball.

Stop making so much sense. This board isn't capable of rationalizing it.

There's just so much wrong there, though. The post equates PPG with good playing. What the heck is a 27 PPG superstar? Your points per game don't make you a superstar. The only other thing mentioned is rim protection, which KP has always been very good at (and this thus negates the idea that he's improved each year). He's drawing double teams and improving his teammates? That's doubtful - his assists are down and turnovers are up.

The biggest problem with KP on offense is that he doesn't know the difference between a good shot and a bad shot. You can say his body is breaking down or he doesn't have stamina (which may be true), but this is a knowledge and/or decision-making problem as much as anything else. Here are his effective FG%s by location.

0-3 ft: .617
3-10: .389
10-16: .446
16- <3 pointers: .383
3 Pointers: .555

If you can hit a 2 pointer only 38 to 45% of the time from an area, it's a bad shot. Yet, over 60% of his total shots are from those bad locations. About a third come from those spots where his 2 point shooting percentage is in the 30s.
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Nalod wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Actually have a supplement suggestion for KP. Pycnogenol. Its from the bark of a tree in coastal France. Some studies have shown that it can improve endurance. I first tried it about 10 years ago. Started taking it for a few days, get it into my system.

I remember playing bball in the park, had forgotten I had been taking it when I noticed that I could play longer, more energy. Took a little while to remember I had been taking these pills. Supposed to be very high in anti-oxidants as well.

Some companies tried marketing it for other things and got in trouble, but its claim to fame is endurance. Dont believe its a banned substance.

Please tell me your kidding?

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1/14/2018  6:50 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/14/2018  6:52 PM
KPs shots in 2017-18 are mostly his creation and lots of them contested
He's improved in his ability to get shots off and his play with his back to basket
Anyone who has even remotely played in the NBA will tell you how hard it is to play the role of primary shot creator on a team. Lots of teams have high scoring wings or bigs but that's with a point guard who is the primary guy creating plays and shots.

KPs point guard is Jarret Jack who was out of the league for 2 years and rookie Frank. Our offense is mainly get the ball to KP with little creativity.

With time it will all make sense and these growing pains worth it.
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CrushAlot wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
nyknickzingis wrote:People have to look at it this way.
Each year his November gets better and better.
His slump, each year, the slump numbers are bettter.
His average this year is almost 24 a night.
He's the LEADER in the league in rim protection.
He's a 7'3 nightmare mismatch that draws doubles.

Now is he a finished maxed out product? Far from it. He us only 2 years and 3 months into his NBA career. By those terms he's still very very early in his career. Phil Jackson said KP will need four to five years to be like Pau Gasol body wise. So give him some time. I think he will fill out.

The reason players like CLee, Jack, Kanter. all these guys are getting easy looks is because the defense is focused on KP. The toughest thing to get in the NBA is the thing we already have. A player the opposing defense is set on, keyed in, sending doubles, because they are aware of his scoring abilty. This opens up the game for everyone else. Right now we don't have the star guard to take advantage of that. With Tim we have the wing, but we need that point guard who can do that as well. Once we get that player, with, KP and Timmy, this tean will be a force to be reckoned with.

Again:
season 1 Great start slow middle strong finish 14 ppg
season 2 Great start slow middle strong finish 18 ppg
season 3 Great start slow middle? So far 24 ppg

He's getting better and more productive. That slump/slow middle is really frustrating to watch. But he's a 2 year 3 month NBA player who is still 15 pounds at least underweight and I'm sure after this season of being beat up as the man by defenses he will commit himself to being physically even tougher in the summer. He knows now what kind of fouling and wacking the NBA defenses do to you as the man. This guy is going to be a 27 points a night superstar in a year. He just has to keep working hard in the summer on his body, keep studying game tape on what NBA defenses are doing to him. He will improve. He lives for basketball.


Nothing has improved. His PPG is higher because he's taking more shots. He's making and missing more shots a game each year. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. The changes in all other areas (assists, rebounds, etc.) are negligible.
Aside from his increase in scoring and slight increase in 3 pt percentage his numbers are all down.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/porzikr01.html

More blocks, better free throw shooting, getting to the line more often, rebs and assists about the same, but ALL his numbers have fallen off?

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