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nixluva
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1/1/2018 4:07 PM
This Twitter thread has some nice defensive stats showing how high up our guys are!
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Gudris
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1/1/2018 4:13 PM
This is good news, Frank needs to start soon
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martin
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1/1/2018 5:01 PM
Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.
Defense at C and PG if KP fills out. Incredible. And both have scoring ability all the way out to 3PT line. Both 22 and younger. http://www.basketballanalyticsbook.com/2018/01/01/draymond-has-been-the-nbas-best-defender/ Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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fishmike
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1/1/2018 5:09 PM
martin wrote:Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.22 and 19 years old. Ive been saying... we can build a defense around these two. I would take a defensive star with some warts in this draft. Scorers are everywhere. We got Beas cheap. We have Trey Burke who can be a scorer off the bench. McBuckets. Jack is a good veteran offensive player. I think its easy to fill these roles if you have 3-4 elite defenders out there like Detroit had on those teams. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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BigDaddyG
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1/1/2018 5:17 PM
fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.22 and 19 years old. Ive been saying... we can build a defense around these two. I would take a defensive star with some warts in this draft. Scorers are everywhere. We got Beas cheap. We have Trey Burke who can be a scorer off the bench. McBuckets. Jack is a good veteran offensive player. I think its easy to fill these roles if you have 3-4 elite defenders out there like Detroit had on those teams. I believe you can carry two sub par defensive starters if the other 3 are competent, especially at center and PG. We've already won half the battle as far i'm concerned. While KP is not "5" right now, he's improving as a help defender and continues to provide quality shotblocking. Just need that one good two-way forward to fill in the gaps. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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Jmpasq
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1/1/2018 5:46 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.22 and 19 years old. Ive been saying... we can build a defense around these two. I would take a defensive star with some warts in this draft. Scorers are everywhere. We got Beas cheap. We have Trey Burke who can be a scorer off the bench. McBuckets. Jack is a good veteran offensive player. I think its easy to fill these roles if you have 3-4 elite defenders out there like Detroit had on those teams. The 2 way All Star SF is the missing piece. We will pick somewhere between 11-16, can we find that guy there? Hopefully, this draft actually has a few nice forwards in that range Check out My NFL Draft Prospect Videos at Youtube User Pages Jmpasq,JPdraftjedi,Jmpasqdraftjedi. www.Draftbreakdown.com
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nixluva
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1/1/2018 5:47 PM
Jmpasq wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.22 and 19 years old. Ive been saying... we can build a defense around these two. I would take a defensive star with some warts in this draft. Scorers are everywhere. We got Beas cheap. We have Trey Burke who can be a scorer off the bench. McBuckets. Jack is a good veteran offensive player. I think its easy to fill these roles if you have 3-4 elite defenders out there like Detroit had on those teams. TOTALLY AGREE. |
Ira
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1/1/2018 7:41 PM
I think the Knicks are doing a good job of bringing Frank along at the pace he needs.
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Knixkik
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1/2/2018 11:06 AM
nixluva wrote:Jmpasq wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.22 and 19 years old. Ive been saying... we can build a defense around these two. I would take a defensive star with some warts in this draft. Scorers are everywhere. We got Beas cheap. We have Trey Burke who can be a scorer off the bench. McBuckets. Jack is a good veteran offensive player. I think its easy to fill these roles if you have 3-4 elite defenders out there like Detroit had on those teams. Absolutely. Frank and KP are the foundation and with their 2-way ability they will anchor the defense. Hardaway provides the playmaking and shot creating ability that Frank lacks. Kanter provides extra offense and the toughness downlow. We should never have an issue on either side of the ball. Plenty of firepower here. Just need that missing SF who can bring it all together and build up the bench some more. |
martin
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1/2/2018 11:23 AM
Knixkik wrote:nixluva wrote:Jmpasq wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.22 and 19 years old. Ive been saying... we can build a defense around these two. I would take a defensive star with some warts in this draft. Scorers are everywhere. We got Beas cheap. We have Trey Burke who can be a scorer off the bench. McBuckets. Jack is a good veteran offensive player. I think its easy to fill these roles if you have 3-4 elite defenders out there like Detroit had on those teams. With stretch 4's on opposite team, Kanter lacks ANY kind of interior protection when KP needs to watch the 3 point line. Also, his lack of passing and shots outside the rim makes penetration much harder for his teammates. Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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fishmike
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1/2/2018 12:04 PM
martin wrote:Agree but if your 3 perimeter players are Frank/Lee/THjr (which is what I think we finish the 2nd half of the year with) Kanter works because those guys are at the very least excellent and keeping their man in front of them.Knixkik wrote:nixluva wrote:Jmpasq wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.22 and 19 years old. Ive been saying... we can build a defense around these two. I would take a defensive star with some warts in this draft. Scorers are everywhere. We got Beas cheap. We have Trey Burke who can be a scorer off the bench. McBuckets. Jack is a good veteran offensive player. I think its easy to fill these roles if you have 3-4 elite defenders out there like Detroit had on those teams. The two young centers on our team are 25 and 22. Both are excellent rebounders, big bodies and below average defenders. Another high end defensive wing could solidify that defense even more. If Kanter doesnt have to help (much) and he's mostly setting picks, crashing boards and scoring int the paint he's gonna look REALLY good, which he has for stretches. The defense around him is key. Willy also. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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HofstraBBall
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1/2/2018 12:16 PM LAST EDITED: 1/2/2018 12:18 PM
nixluva wrote:This Twitter thread has some nice defensive stats showing how high up our guys are!Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Sorry....but BassketballAnalyticsbook.com??? Let's try a lesser known site...NBA.com https://stats.nba.com/players/defense/ Eye test.. Frank is a very good perimeter defender. KP is a very good help defender. But lets not pretend that KP does not get abused from outside, when looking to help and that he does not get pushed like a rag doll inside. He has much to improve but think he will. It's also good to see defensive players on the team for a change. Problem for Frank will be that, against good teams, it will be tough for JH to keep such an offensive liability in the game. We need POP like coaching, if he passes up a wide open shot, he gets taken out of game. Its not like he has a bad shot. It just seems like he is afraid to shoot. Is that something you can change in a 19 year old? Time will tell. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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martin
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1/2/2018 12:32 PM
fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Agree but if your 3 perimeter players are Frank/Lee/THjr (which is what I think we finish the 2nd half of the year with) Kanter works because those guys are at the very least excellent and keeping their man in front of them.Knixkik wrote:nixluva wrote:Jmpasq wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Good sign from Knicks, one of the best statistical defenders in the league in KP and one of the top 10 on the perimeter.22 and 19 years old. Ive been saying... we can build a defense around these two. I would take a defensive star with some warts in this draft. Scorers are everywhere. We got Beas cheap. We have Trey Burke who can be a scorer off the bench. McBuckets. Jack is a good veteran offensive player. I think its easy to fill these roles if you have 3-4 elite defenders out there like Detroit had on those teams. For me Kanter is a good stepping stone big next to KP but not long term C the Knicks need to get deep into playoffs. Just don't see that path for him Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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martin
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1/2/2018 12:35 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:nixluva wrote:This Twitter thread has some nice defensive stats showing how high up our guys are!Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Don't know how Defensive win shares is calculated but Melo is above KP, Dwight Howard and a lot of other players that I wouldn't expect. Also, THJr and JJ Redick are hovering in that same ranking and that seems WAAAAYYYY off. Just like PER, DWS is not straight forward Official sponsor of the PURE KNICKS LOVE Program
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