Vmart wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:Frank is going to be great. He is a rookie who plays under control. It’s these type of players that win championships and lead. They put importance in team work as opposed to individual recognition. They are selfless always willing to help other get theirs and keep everyone moving and expecting the next pass.

You think he won’t be a double digit scorer in the NBA. I think he will I see Frank Averaging anywhere from 14-18 points and 8-10 assists while giving the Knicks stellar defense.

Curious, in a time when players like Steph, Irving, Wall, Lowry, Harden are pushing the pace and raining threes, who exactly are you referring to that plays like Frank and winning chips?

Think the argument is not so much about how Frank is doing as a rookie but was that type of player worth an 8 pick.

You remember Lowry when he was a rookie? How many threes does Wall rain down? Irving was a #1 pick? My point is that your chances of pulling a franchise guard at 8 are slim to begin with. Go look at draft histories and see how realistic that is. We got the best two-way PG prospect in the draft, so yes, I think that was worth a gamble at 8.

Your skating. All these players are known for their offense. Which team has won a chip recently because of their two way guard? And again, not knocking Frank, think he has shown signs of being able to be a good player, but you really don't think we could have picked up a two way vet in free agency or another two way player later in the draft? I do.

Mario Chalmers, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd all these guys won Championships they could all score yes but what makes you think that Frank won’t be as good a scorer as those mentioned. Frank has been hitting the three of late and can be improved on. Now I said I see a player that can average 14-18 points and 8-10 assist is that bad. I mean that is Kidd like and Nash like and CP3 like. What would be so bad about that. Just because he might not go off like Curry or Westbrook. How many have those.

You guys acting like Frank ain’t gonna improve he is going to just like KP and others have improved.

CrushAlot wrote:

Vmart wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Vmart wrote:Frank is going to be great. He is a rookie who plays under control. It’s these type of players that win championships and lead. They put importance in team work as opposed to individual recognition. They are selfless always willing to help other get theirs and keep everyone moving and expecting the next pass.

You think he won’t be a double digit scorer in the NBA. I think he will I see Frank Averaging anywhere from 14-18 points and 8-10 assists while giving the Knicks stellar defense.

Curious, in a time when players like Steph, Irving, Wall, Lowry, Harden are pushing the pace and raining threes, who exactly are you referring to that plays like Frank and winning chips?

Think the argument is not so much about how Frank is doing as a rookie but was that type of player worth an 8 pick.

You remember Lowry when he was a rookie? How many threes does Wall rain down? Irving was a #1 pick? My point is that your chances of pulling a franchise guard at 8 are slim to begin with. Go look at draft histories and see how realistic that is. We got the best two-way PG prospect in the draft, so yes, I think that was worth a gamble at 8.

Your skating. All these players are known for their offense. Which team has won a chip recently because of their two way guard? And again, not knocking Frank, think he has shown signs of being able to be a good player, but you really don't think we could have picked up a two way vet in free agency or another two way player later in the draft? I do.

Mario Chalmers, Tony Parker, Chauncey Billups, Jason Kidd all these guys won Championships they could all score yes but what makes you think that Frank won’t be as good a scorer as those mentioned. Frank has been hitting the three of late and can be improved on. Now I said I see a player that can average 14-18 points and 8-10 assist is that bad. I mean that is Kidd like and Nash like and CP3 like. What would be so bad about that. Just because he might not go off like Curry or Westbrook. How many have those.

You guys acting like Frank ain’t gonna improve he is going to just like KP and others have improved.

Something concerning that I hope changes. Frank's minutes are being increased, he is averaging 26 minutes a game for his last 5 games. During that time he has taken one free throw.

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Teams are now playing way off him, giving him lanes, space, and he refuses to shoot. His in ability to score is having an effect on the entire team. Even as a rookie he should be showing signs that he can score when needed, and that has happen maybe twice this entire season, and only for a few min.

This kid has career avg's of 4ppg for a reason, and that's cool if that's not his game, but is that the kind of pg we want running JH system, a coach who is preaching run, run, run, and shoot more 3's, and that's really not franks game at all..

How many times have you seen him brick a mid range jumper with a wide open lane, he is going to be like that for his career, his mind set is defense, defense, defense. And before you say he's just young and he's learning , think about Shump, and how he use to run down the court top speed, only to stop by the 3 point line and wait for the defense.

players get stronger and wiser in this leagues, very really do they change their entire game as they get older, frank will never be a double digit scorer. In the right role frank has good value, but in a system like MDA or JH, not a good look

Newsflash: Frank is 19 years old with only 30+ games of NBA experience. At this point I'm looking for flashes not a finished product. Conversely, Channing Frye had moments his rookie year where he looked like future all-star. Didn't quite work out that way.

Can we give the kid more than 30+ games to develop?

Typecasting players as failures because we didn't draft the guy they wanted us pretty common. Then there's the need to stereotypes foreign players as weak etc. You can't argue against this with reason.

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Teams are now playing way off him, giving him lanes, space, and he refuses to shoot. His in ability to score is having an effect on the entire team. Even as a rookie he should be showing signs that he can score when needed, and that has happen maybe twice this entire season, and only for a few min.

This kid has career avg's of 4ppg for a reason, and that's cool if that's not his game, but is that the kind of pg we want running JH system, a coach who is preaching run, run, run, and shoot more 3's, and that's really not franks game at all..

How many times have you seen him brick a mid range jumper with a wide open lane, he is going to be like that for his career, his mind set is defense, defense, defense. And before you say he's just young and he's learning , think about Shump, and how he use to run down the court top speed, only to stop by the 3 point line and wait for the defense.

players get stronger and wiser in this leagues, very really do they change their entire game as they get older, frank will never be a double digit scorer. In the right role frank has good value, but in a system like MDA or JH, not a good look

Newsflash: Frank is 19 years old with only 30+ games of NBA experience. At this point I'm looking for flashes not a finished product. Conversely, Channing Frye had moments his rookie year where he looked like future all-star. Didn't quite work out that way.

Can we give the kid more than 30+ games to develop?

Typecasting players as failures because we didn't draft the guy they wanted us pretty common. Then there's the need to stereotypes foreign players as weak etc. You can't argue against this with reason.

Im asking how good do you think he will be and would he fit in a MDA like system, which is what we're trying to run?
He is one of the worse shooting rookies in this yrs class for the minutes he's playing

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgMinutes/position/rookies

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Teams are now playing way off him, giving him lanes, space, and he refuses to shoot. His in ability to score is having an effect on the entire team. Even as a rookie he should be showing signs that he can score when needed, and that has happen maybe twice this entire season, and only for a few min.

This kid has career avg's of 4ppg for a reason, and that's cool if that's not his game, but is that the kind of pg we want running JH system, a coach who is preaching run, run, run, and shoot more 3's, and that's really not franks game at all..

How many times have you seen him brick a mid range jumper with a wide open lane, he is going to be like that for his career, his mind set is defense, defense, defense. And before you say he's just young and he's learning , think about Shump, and how he use to run down the court top speed, only to stop by the 3 point line and wait for the defense.

players get stronger and wiser in this leagues, very really do they change their entire game as they get older, frank will never be a double digit scorer. In the right role frank has good value, but in a system like MDA or JH, not a good look

Newsflash: Frank is 19 years old with only 30+ games of NBA experience. At this point I'm looking for flashes not a finished product. Conversely, Channing Frye had moments his rookie year where he looked like future all-star. Didn't quite work out that way.

Can we give the kid more than 30+ games to develop?

Typecasting players as failures because we didn't draft the guy they wanted us pretty common. Then there's the need to stereotypes foreign players as weak etc. You can't argue against this with reason.

Im asking how good do you think he will be and would he fit in a MDA like system, which is what we're trying to run?
He is one of the worse shooting rookies in this yrs class for the minutes he's playing

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgMinutes/position/rookies

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Teams are now playing way off him, giving him lanes, space, and he refuses to shoot. His in ability to score is having an effect on the entire team. Even as a rookie he should be showing signs that he can score when needed, and that has happen maybe twice this entire season, and only for a few min.

This kid has career avg's of 4ppg for a reason, and that's cool if that's not his game, but is that the kind of pg we want running JH system, a coach who is preaching run, run, run, and shoot more 3's, and that's really not franks game at all..

How many times have you seen him brick a mid range jumper with a wide open lane, he is going to be like that for his career, his mind set is defense, defense, defense. And before you say he's just young and he's learning , think about Shump, and how he use to run down the court top speed, only to stop by the 3 point line and wait for the defense.

players get stronger and wiser in this leagues, very really do they change their entire game as they get older, frank will never be a double digit scorer. In the right role frank has good value, but in a system like MDA or JH, not a good look

Newsflash: Frank is 19 years old with only 30+ games of NBA experience. At this point I'm looking for flashes not a finished product. Conversely, Channing Frye had moments his rookie year where he looked like future all-star. Didn't quite work out that way.

Can we give the kid more than 30+ games to develop?

Typecasting players as failures because we didn't draft the guy they wanted us pretty common. Then there's the need to stereotypes foreign players as weak etc. You can't argue against this with reason.

Im asking how good do you think he will be and would he fit in a MDA like system, which is what we're trying to run?
He is one of the worse shooting rookies in this yrs class for the minutes he's playing

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgMinutes/position/rookies

he's gonna be a star in that kind of system. Any other questions?

REALLY?

Base on his current skill set and what you have seen so far, he has shown you he has the ability to play like LIN, HARDEN, I T, Nash, Bledsoe, (some of the guards that played in that system).

I'm not putting him in that category, he has shown me that he can be defense specialist, glue guy. He plays like his personality(smart and very laid back) he's not going to take no sht, and he won't every start no sht. I could accept him for who he is because there is value in that role.

You going to have hard time convincing some that he's going to transform in to a fast scoring aggressive pg.

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Teams are now playing way off him, giving him lanes, space, and he refuses to shoot. His in ability to score is having an effect on the entire team. Even as a rookie he should be showing signs that he can score when needed, and that has happen maybe twice this entire season, and only for a few min.

This kid has career avg's of 4ppg for a reason, and that's cool if that's not his game, but is that the kind of pg we want running JH system, a coach who is preaching run, run, run, and shoot more 3's, and that's really not franks game at all..

How many times have you seen him brick a mid range jumper with a wide open lane, he is going to be like that for his career, his mind set is defense, defense, defense. And before you say he's just young and he's learning , think about Shump, and how he use to run down the court top speed, only to stop by the 3 point line and wait for the defense.

players get stronger and wiser in this leagues, very really do they change their entire game as they get older, frank will never be a double digit scorer. In the right role frank has good value, but in a system like MDA or JH, not a good look

Newsflash: Frank is 19 years old with only 30+ games of NBA experience. At this point I'm looking for flashes not a finished product. Conversely, Channing Frye had moments his rookie year where he looked like future all-star. Didn't quite work out that way.

Can we give the kid more than 30+ games to develop?

Typecasting players as failures because we didn't draft the guy they wanted us pretty common. Then there's the need to stereotypes foreign players as weak etc. You can't argue against this with reason.

Im asking how good do you think he will be and would he fit in a MDA like system, which is what we're trying to run?
He is one of the worse shooting rookies in this yrs class for the minutes he's playing

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgMinutes/position/rookies

Lonzo's free throw shooting is horrible.

wow, 48% from a PG, jesus!!!

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Teams are now playing way off him, giving him lanes, space, and he refuses to shoot. His in ability to score is having an effect on the entire team. Even as a rookie he should be showing signs that he can score when needed, and that has happen maybe twice this entire season, and only for a few min.

This kid has career avg's of 4ppg for a reason, and that's cool if that's not his game, but is that the kind of pg we want running JH system, a coach who is preaching run, run, run, and shoot more 3's, and that's really not franks game at all..

How many times have you seen him brick a mid range jumper with a wide open lane, he is going to be like that for his career, his mind set is defense, defense, defense. And before you say he's just young and he's learning , think about Shump, and how he use to run down the court top speed, only to stop by the 3 point line and wait for the defense.

players get stronger and wiser in this leagues, very really do they change their entire game as they get older, frank will never be a double digit scorer. In the right role frank has good value, but in a system like MDA or JH, not a good look

Newsflash: Frank is 19 years old with only 30+ games of NBA experience. At this point I'm looking for flashes not a finished product. Conversely, Channing Frye had moments his rookie year where he looked like future all-star. Didn't quite work out that way.

Can we give the kid more than 30+ games to develop?

Typecasting players as failures because we didn't draft the guy they wanted us pretty common. Then there's the need to stereotypes foreign players as weak etc. You can't argue against this with reason.

Im asking how good do you think he will be and would he fit in a MDA like system, which is what we're trying to run?
He is one of the worse shooting rookies in this yrs class for the minutes he's playing

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgMinutes/position/rookies

All you ever do is focus on points scored and shooting. You define success in the NBA based on points scored - you are a Melo fan. I would like to see things from your POV, but I can't get my head that far up my ass.
Honestly you are incapable of assessing value and this thread is testament to that. All you ever talk about, only stats you ever post are always just focused on scoring. You just don't get it, sorry. Your question was already answered multiple times by multiple posters - Frank can be a 14/9 type guy and that's almost Steve Nash level AND he has ELITE defense. And No Steve Nash didn't play at Steve Nash level for the first 3-4 years of his career. Could MDA type ball succeed with Steve Nash - FUKK YES. It was designed for Steve Nash. Get over jerking off on Dennis Smith stats or go root for the Mavs - doesn't matter. Frank is here to STAY.

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

Welpee wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Teams are now playing way off him, giving him lanes, space, and he refuses to shoot. His in ability to score is having an effect on the entire team. Even as a rookie he should be showing signs that he can score when needed, and that has happen maybe twice this entire season, and only for a few min.

This kid has career avg's of 4ppg for a reason, and that's cool if that's not his game, but is that the kind of pg we want running JH system, a coach who is preaching run, run, run, and shoot more 3's, and that's really not franks game at all..

How many times have you seen him brick a mid range jumper with a wide open lane, he is going to be like that for his career, his mind set is defense, defense, defense. And before you say he's just young and he's learning , think about Shump, and how he use to run down the court top speed, only to stop by the 3 point line and wait for the defense.

players get stronger and wiser in this leagues, very really do they change their entire game as they get older, frank will never be a double digit scorer. In the right role frank has good value, but in a system like MDA or JH, not a good look

Newsflash: Frank is 19 years old with only 30+ games of NBA experience. At this point I'm looking for flashes not a finished product. Conversely, Channing Frye had moments his rookie year where he looked like future all-star. Didn't quite work out that way.

Can we give the kid more than 30+ games to develop?

Typecasting players as failures because we didn't draft the guy they wanted us pretty common. Then there's the need to stereotypes foreign players as weak etc. You can't argue against this with reason.

Im asking how good do you think he will be and would he fit in a MDA like system, which is what we're trying to run?
He is one of the worse shooting rookies in this yrs class for the minutes he's playing

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/scoring-per-game/sort/avgMinutes/position/rookies

he's gonna be a star in that kind of system. Any other questions?

REALLY?

Base on his current skill set and what you have seen so far, he has shown you he has the ability to play like LIN, HARDEN, I T, Nash, Bledsoe, (some of the guards that played in that system).

I'm not putting him in that category, he has shown me that he can be defense specialist, glue guy. He plays like his personality(smart and very laid back) he's not going to take no sht, and he won't every start no sht. I could accept him for who he is because there is value in that role.

You going to have hard time convincing some that he's going to transform in to a fast scoring aggressive pg.

I know a lot of you like playing GM but nobody knows what this kid will be in 2-3 years. He has a lot of work to do on his game which everyone knew when he was drafted so to try to predict what he'll be in 2-3 years is just guessing at this point. The kid is smart, he's coachable, his defense will be fine and will get better as the game slows down for him, he has a nice shot but he just doesn't have confidence in his shot right now and he has pretty good court vision. He doesn't have the explosiveness to the basket and i don't think that will come so he needs to get a floater (which every single PG should have) so he can go to the basket and if he doesn't get around his guy then that floater is a great weapon.