Posted by Kwazimodal:

TT can go hot and cold in the blink of an eye,like Starks he is "feast or famine" but without the heart John has.I will show Thomas respect when he proves that he deserves it.I havent seen him do anything in a Knick uniform that shows that he deserves it ...yet.

What drop 50pts?

It took Houston doing that in order for people to respect him(not me).......

He has alot of motivation this season....It's also the first season where he is like the first option on offense cuz the guards are always trying to get everyone else involved......guess what he is everybody else outside of Houston, Craw and Marbs......

I expect big things this season from the Knicks.....

Posted by EnySpree:

Posted by Kwazimodal:

TT can go hot and cold in the blink of an eye,like Starks he is "feast or famine" but without the heart John has.I will show Thomas respect when he proves that he deserves it.I havent seen him do anything in a Knick uniform that shows that he deserves it ...yet.

What drop 50pts?

It took Houston doing that in order for people to respect him(not me).......

He has alot of motivation this season....It's also the first season where he is like the first option on offense cuz the guards are always trying to get everyone else involved......guess what he is everybody else outside of Houston, Craw and Marbs......

I expect big things this season from the Knicks.....

Well not acting like a punk would be a good start.If a Knick is going to talk tough,Id like to see him back it up.Timmay talked the talk but he didnt walk the walk.He embarassed this team more than anyone Ive seen in the last 30 years.It would be great if he comes back and shows everyone including myself he has alot more heart than talk,but so far I havent seen it yet which was my point.Even after it was clear that he wasnt coming back during the playoffs he still was trying to act like a tough guy.Thats why I say he hasnt deserved respect yet.I hope he comes back and makes everyone wonder how we could ever doubt him.He was a cancer in Milwaukee and so far he has been a cancer in NY.When he shows that he has something to contribute other than talk and a handfull of good games thats when I will give him his props.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by BigSm00th:

That doesn't measure defense though, and Artest is without a doubt one of the best perimeter defenders in the league, up there with Doug Christie, Bruce Bowen, Tayshaun Prince, and Kobe.

Tim Thomas isn't even near that league in terms of defense, but his strength is his offense, which I have a feeling could erupt this year.

exactly...stats don't tell the whole story of how valuable a guy is to his team...Ron Artest's value goes way beyond the amount of points he scores or rebounds he pulls down...i would take 1 Ron Artest over 3 Tim Thomas' on my team anyday.

Exactly. I like Tim, but I wouldn't look at these stats per minute and be fooled into thinking he impacts the game nearly as much as Artest

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09/01/2004 22:30:09]

To the poster who claimed Thomas was a cancer on Milwaukee, come again.
How was this? Are we talking last year or when the big 3 was there? I followed his career closely and he didn't have any problems with his teammates. It was only last year when Ray Allen said he was an underachiever that TT went off, and said the big 3 were the real underachievers especially in the playoffs, which they were aside from Allen. With Redd and those guys, he got along fine with everyone and no one dissed him when he left. So this cancer talk is a bit of a stretch unless you know something I don't. Enlighten me.
Lastly, I think Artest is overrated as a defender. Rip Hamilton lit his a-- up bigtime in the playoffs, or did you forget already.

Posted by Silverfuel:

Posted by rojasmas:

Lastly, I think Artest is overrated as a defender. Rip Hamilton lit his a-- up bigtime in the playoffs, or did you forget already.

I am pretty sure it was Reggie Miller that was guarding Rip Hamilton most of the time.

Exactly. Artest shut down Prince while Rip lit up Miller. Artest is a 250 pound forward. He's not built to guard a fast guy like Rip who runs around crazily on offense. Artest is an outstanding on the ball defender, but nothing special defending away from the ball.

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 09/01/2004 22:37:11]

Why would they put Artest on Prince who isn't even much of an offensive threat? I believe the better part if not all of the games Artest covered Rip.

I wish I had a tape of the games... Someone else must. Posters, we need a clip of Artest covering someone in those games.

Posted by rojasmas:

I wish I had a tape of the games... Someone else must. Posters, we need a clip of Artest covering someone in those games.

Guy, I wish I had a tape to show you how much Miller guarded Hamilton. It doesn't make sense to make Artest guard Rip Hamilton.

They play different positions and Artest doesnt run around trying to catch up with people that shoot the ball from behind screens all game long!!

I think a lot of people forgot about Tim Thomas, he is another talented player on our roster and if he has a big year, big things will happen for the knicks.. I will like to see how he plays with craw and steph on the floor at the same time, TT has the skills to be a upper tier player, it is his desire that many question.. I hope he puts it all together this year..