NardDogNation wrote:I love our youth but hate the direction of the team and the culture of our front office. I've wanted to flesh out this position more thoroughly since the end of the offseason but haven't had the time or motivation to do the research to defend it.

And despite our "success" to start the season, I can't help but shake the feeling that we are on a fool's errand that will yield the same results we've experienced before i.e. an overpriced, underachieving and structually flawed team with a superior talent that we run into the ground and inevitably alienate. Why do I feel that way? It's because there is a common theme/thread in which the franchise demonstrates an inability to understand opportunity cost or maintain any degree of patience to develop a cohesive long-term strategy/plan. But this is a point I've touched on in other threads, so I'll just ask this:

Wouldn't a more conservative (financial) approach that yielded something like this be more appealing in the long AND short-term?

STARTERS
PG: Corey Joseph
SG: Justin Holiday
SF: DeMarre Carroll
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Guillermo "Willy" Hernangomez

ROTATION
G: Frank Ntilikina
G: Jamal Crawford
SF: Doug McDermott
F: Juancho Hernangomez
C: Joakim Noah

BENCH
PG: Jose Calderon
SG: Demyean Dotson
SF: Richard Jefferson
F/C: Luis Scola
C: Alexis Ajinca

Payroll: $87 million (Justin Holiday retained to a 2yr/$12 million as opposed to current 2yr/$9 million; Luis Scola signed to a 1yr/$4 million deal)

ASSET CACHE:
2018 CHI Second Round Pick (via OKC)
2019 TOR Second Round Pick (via CLE for Calderon and Jefferson contract dump)
2020 MEM Second Round Pick (via CLE for Calderon and Jefferson contract dump)
$12 million of cap space

I agree. But, to be fair, Perry wasn't here for THJ signing and he did the best he could in the Melo situation. I'll need another season before I start killing the front office. That'll change if we do something stupid like trade for George Hill this season.

EnySpree wrote:Why are we killing the front office again? They haven't done anything yet except hit a home run with this Melo trade. We are building a new culture and that's all Perry is talking about. He's not going to flip the roster just to pick up bargain basement talent. We're going to build on the good things we are doing. That's what we should be doing.

Be prepared for a ton of second round exits during KP's prime then. You geniunely woild prefer the current roster as opposed to what I proposed in this thread?

BigDaddyG wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:I love our youth but hate the direction of the team and the culture of our front office. I've wanted to flesh out this position more thoroughly since the end of the offseason but haven't had the time or motivation to do the research to defend it.

And despite our "success" to start the season, I can't help but shake the feeling that we are on a fool's errand that will yield the same results we've experienced before i.e. an overpriced, underachieving and structually flawed team with a superior talent that we run into the ground and inevitably alienate. Why do I feel that way? It's because there is a common theme/thread in which the franchise demonstrates an inability to understand opportunity cost or maintain any degree of patience to develop a cohesive long-term strategy/plan. But this is a point I've touched on in other threads, so I'll just ask this:

Wouldn't a more conservative (financial) approach that yielded something like this be more appealing in the long AND short-term?

STARTERS
PG: Corey Joseph
SG: Justin Holiday
SF: DeMarre Carroll
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Guillermo "Willy" Hernangomez

ROTATION
G: Frank Ntilikina
G: Jamal Crawford
SF: Doug McDermott
F: Juancho Hernangomez
C: Joakim Noah

BENCH
PG: Jose Calderon
SG: Demyean Dotson
SF: Richard Jefferson
F/C: Luis Scola
C: Alexis Ajinca

Payroll: $87 million (Justin Holiday retained to a 2yr/$12 million as opposed to current 2yr/$9 million; Luis Scola signed to a 1yr/$4 million deal)

ASSET CACHE:
2018 CHI Second Round Pick (via OKC)
2019 TOR Second Round Pick (via CLE for Calderon and Jefferson contract dump)
2020 MEM Second Round Pick (via CLE for Calderon and Jefferson contract dump)
$12 million of cap space

I agree. But, to be fair, Perry wasn't here for THJ signing and he did the best he could in the Melo situation. I'll need another season before I start killing the front office. That'll change if we do something stupid like trade for George Hill this season.

But Steve Mills is ultimately the guy with the final say on basketball decisions and acted as such when he signed THJr and Ron Baker getting a feel for the market. So why should I expect different?

GustavBahler wrote:I keep hearing that the Knicks will never get past an early exit in the playoffs with this team, so lets go for draft picks until we draft another team that will be good enough to make the playoffs.

Then of course you have to trade them all over again because this team still isn't good enough to contend. Its like the freaking Twilight Zone.

We arent goint from crap to contender in one big leap. Perry sees the team looking like they've reached a plateau, he's going to make some moves. Thats how its done.

This is the best Ive felt as a fan in eons, this team has a future. So I have a hard time understanding someone saying "F it" lets go back to the way things were, with a few more draft picks.

PASS

Yaaaaaaasssss lol...

NardDogNation wrote:And despite our "success" to start the season, I can't help but shake the feeling that we are on a fool's errand that will yield the same results we've experienced before i.e. an overpriced, underachieving and structually flawed team with a superior talent that we run into the ground and inevitably alienate.

Interesting point. Is this some secretly hidden Melo love, or were you referring to half a season of double double Stat? Or possibly both?

NardDogNation wrote:Why do I feel that way? It's because there is a common theme/thread in which the franchise demonstrates an inability to understand opportunity cost or maintain any degree of patience to develop a cohesive long-term strategy/plan. But this is a point I've touched on in other threads, so I'll just ask this:

Wouldn't a more conservative (financial) approach that yielded something like this be more appealing in the long AND short-term?

STARTERS
PG: Corey Joseph
SG: Justin Holiday
SF: DeMarre Carroll
PF: Kristaps Porzingis
C: Guillermo "Willy" Hernangomez

ROTATION
G: Frank Ntilikina
G: Jamal Crawford
SF: Doug McDermott
F: Juancho Hernangomez
C: Joakim Noah

BENCH
PG: Jose Calderon
SG: Demyean Dotson
SF: Richard Jefferson
F/C: Luis Scola
C: Alexis Ajinca

Payroll: $87 million (Justin Holiday retained to a 2yr/$12 million as opposed to current 2yr/$9 million; Luis Scola signed to a 1yr/$4 million deal)

ASSET CACHE:
2018 CHI Second Round Pick (via OKC)
2019 TOR Second Round Pick (via CLE for Calderon and Jefferson contract dump)
2020 MEM Second Round Pick (via CLE for Calderon and Jefferson contract dump)
$12 million of cap space

Your financial conservatism includes Willy H, who can't carry Kyle O'quinn's jock, let alone Enos Kanter's crutches? The -31 as a starter Willy? And you did research to back this up?

Your financial conservatism includes Joakim Noah and the other Hernangomez? For what exactly? Do you offset your monopoly money approach by giving extra points for social liberalism?

Jose Calderon??? Richard Freakin' Jefferson? Luis Scola?
What the hell are you doing here? Building a better franchise or providing a nursing home for washed up and foreign players while hoping we rape the second round to get the next DLee and Nate Robinson?

NardDogNation wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Why are we killing the front office again? They haven't done anything yet except hit a home run with this Melo trade. We are building a new culture and that's all Perry is talking about. He's not going to flip the roster just to pick up bargain basement talent. We're going to build on the good things we are doing. That's what we should be doing.

Be prepared for a ton of second round exits during KP's prime then. You geniunely woild prefer the current roster as opposed to what I proposed in this thread?