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Panos
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12/12/2017  8:56 PM
Who is better right now? Frank or Baker?
Defensively?
Shooting?
Driving?
Passing/playmaking?
Intangibles?
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12/12/2017  9:12 PM
Panos wrote:Who is better right now? Frank or Baker?
Defensively?
Shooting?
Driving?
Passing/playmaking?
Intangibles?

Hope this thread is a joke.
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12/12/2017  9:30 PM
SocraticBallin22 wrote:
Panos wrote:Who is better right now? Frank or Baker?
Defensively?
Shooting?
Driving?
Passing/playmaking?
Intangibles?

Hope this thread is a joke.

it is

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12/12/2017  10:00 PM
Whats better Ruths Chris or Dennys, Four Seasons or Super 8, a great steak or spam????
Briggs-- Frank is 2 yrs away from being 2 years away
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12/12/2017  10:07 PM
Rebecca or Tina?

Am I doing this right?

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12/12/2017  10:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/12/2017  10:36 PM
Baker's defense early on has been quite good. If we're going by the last few games, dont believe its such a crazy question. Frank's body of work defensively has been very good. Best to revisit this question after Baker has more PT to make a case, or not.
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12/13/2017  10:06 PM
I'm surprised both of them have shot so poorly in the NBA.

Ntilikina has had a particularly small sample size. If he goes on a mini hot streak and shoots 20/40 from the field (let's say he goes 4/8 in each of the next 5 games), it'll get his FG% close to 40%. His stroke looks solid; he'd probably be a better shooter if he took more shots and got a feel for the ball going in the basket. He shoots so sporadically that a lot goes into each shot.

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12/14/2017  12:53 AM
technomaster wrote:I'm surprised both of them have shot so poorly in the NBA.

Ntilikina has had a particularly small sample size. If he goes on a mini hot streak and shoots 20/40 from the field (let's say he goes 4/8 in each of the next 5 games), it'll get his FG% close to 40%. His stroke looks solid; he'd probably be a better shooter if he took more shots and got a feel for the ball going in the basket. He shoots so sporadically that a lot goes into each shot.

Yup. New PG's have it the toughest in the league, everyone else has 2 main decisions: Shoot ball if open and within your range/offense, pass ball. PG's gotta know when to shoot, when to pass, what offense needs to be executed, who needs ball, how to run this PnR, etc. Lots of things going on a usually shooting ball is after all of the above unless super wide open.

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12/15/2017  11:48 AM
The Anti Baker folks have been impatient with him IMO. Both Ntilikina and Baker have shown a lot of moxie on D and unselfish play. It’s not just about offense with these kids.

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nixluva wrote:The Anti Baker folks have been impatient with him IMO. Both Ntilikina and Baker have shown a lot of moxie on D and unselfish play. It’s not just about offense with these kids.

It's unfortunate, but both were hurt during training camp and/or preseason.

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martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:The Anti Baker folks have been impatient with him IMO. Both Ntilikina and Baker have shown a lot of moxie on D and unselfish play. It’s not just about offense with these kids.

It's unfortunate, but both were hurt during training camp and/or preseason.

This was the big factor in early struggles but I felt the Knicks were aware of this and remained patient as they should. They knew what they had in these kids who they watched work all summer before the Training Camp injuries derailed their progress.
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12/15/2017  12:30 PM
Knick fans are hard to accept patience because not since Eddie Donovan was the GM have we enacted rebuilding thru the draft.
Rebuilding is not easy.
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nixluva wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:The Anti Baker folks have been impatient with him IMO. Both Ntilikina and Baker have shown a lot of moxie on D and unselfish play. It’s not just about offense with these kids.

It's unfortunate, but both were hurt during training camp and/or preseason.

This was the big factor in early struggles but I felt the Knicks were aware of this and remained patient as they should. They knew what they had in these kids who they watched work all summer before the Training Camp injuries derailed their progress.

Last year, it was debatable if Ron was even a NBA player. But I felt h had a chance fro. What I saw with the hustle, competitiveness and vision. It looks like he put in the work. He's shooting a lot better. It's a small sample size, but he looks more confident. Throw in the fact that the team isn't forcing him to be the primary ball handler and you've got a situation where Ron is in position where he can succeed. I don't expect to be a starter, but he could definitely be a third or fourth guard with more work.

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12/15/2017  2:07 PM
I'd say Ntilikina has more upside & rightfully should based on draft status and how young they are; but both have potential.

Baker was put into a tough spot for a rookie last year. Playing a demanding position for a really bad team-probably sooner than he should have. Like the poster above mentioned: he's very competitive, smart and a hard worker. When he was at Wichita State, his defense was exceptional & he was very smart with the ball. So far, I've been very impressed with his D in the League-which should only get better. I don't expect him to be a starter anytime soon, but he'll fill a needed role. And who knows how much he'll improve year in and out down-the-road.

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12/15/2017  2:33 PM
Baker has played a total of about 58 meaningful minutes..

Really with this ridiculous comparison

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12/15/2017  3:14 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Baker has played a total of about 58 meaningful minutes..

Really with this ridiculous comparison

In truth there isn’t any serious effort at comparison because it’s irrelevant!!! They’re teammates and Baker is here to be a role player. Ntilikina is here to be the eventual starter.
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nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Baker has played a total of about 58 meaningful minutes..

Really with this ridiculous comparison

In truth there isn’t any serious effort at comparison because it’s irrelevant!!! They’re teammates and Baker is here to be a role player. Ntilikina is here to be the eventual starter.

I would love to see him continue to play well enough to become a solid asset.

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knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Baker has played a total of about 58 meaningful minutes..

Really with this ridiculous comparison

In truth there isn’t any serious effort at comparison because it’s irrelevant!!! They’re teammates and Baker is here to be a role player. Ntilikina is here to be the eventual starter.

I would love to see him continue to play well enough to become a solid asset.

I’m not worried about Baker at all. Teams can ALWAYS use Defensive Role Players! Baker has winning qualities. Not great at anything but has BBIQ, Max Effort, Playmaking Skills and Defense. That’s a pretty good combo.
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nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Baker has played a total of about 58 meaningful minutes..

Really with this ridiculous comparison

In truth there isn’t any serious effort at comparison because it’s irrelevant!!! They’re teammates and Baker is here to be a role player. Ntilikina is here to be the eventual starter.

I would love to see him continue to play well enough to become a solid asset.

I’m not worried about Baker at all. Teams can ALWAYS use Defensive Role Players! Baker has winning qualities. Not great at anything but has BBIQ, Max Effort, Playmaking Skills and Defense. That’s a pretty good combo.


At his salary, nobody should be worried about him. We had better options at role player though. Justin Holiday.
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Cartman718 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
nixluva wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:Baker has played a total of about 58 meaningful minutes..

Really with this ridiculous comparison

In truth there isn’t any serious effort at comparison because it’s irrelevant!!! They’re teammates and Baker is here to be a role player. Ntilikina is here to be the eventual starter.

I would love to see him continue to play well enough to become a solid asset.

I’m not worried about Baker at all. Teams can ALWAYS use Defensive Role Players! Baker has winning qualities. Not great at anything but has BBIQ, Max Effort, Playmaking Skills and Defense. That’s a pretty good combo.


At his salary, nobody should be worried about him. We had better options at role player though. Justin Holiday.

Pretty sure team thinks Baker a long term dude (hopefully), Holiday would not be.

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