NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I watched golden state last night and they inserted Jordan bell into starting line up. A bit undersized but he did everything if not more( both sides) than what any of our centers can do as well. Pick 36 making 800 k and doing the job just as well as any of our multi millionaires

Second round picks don't matter, remember? Isn't that the justification people have used when we've traded ours away in foolish trades? And to think that Bell (or a Frank Mason) would've been in our range had we kept our 2017 second round pick in this past draft.

2nd round picks matter, but we should be able to purchase them easily, as GS did to get Bell. That being said, this year we have the Bulls pick (which is basically a late 1st) and another 2nd round pick, so this year we should be able to build our backend roster depth if we use them right. In my opinion, this draft will be one of our most critical in recent franchise history. If we land a good player in the mid 1st round, and at least 1 future rotation player in the 2nd round, we will have a chance to take a huge step forward from within. If we misfire, it will be a problem.

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I watched golden state last night and they inserted Jordan bell into starting line up. A bit undersized but he did everything if not more( both sides) than what any of our centers can do as well. Pick 36 making 800 k and doing the job just as well as any of our multi millionaires

Second round picks don't matter, remember? Isn't that the justification people have used when we've traded ours away in foolish trades? And to think that Bell (or a Frank Mason) would've been in our range had we kept our 2017 second round pick in this past draft.

Golden State bought that pick?

Dude, I know. I'm just trying to point out that all picks are consequential in a draft, yet many posters here would deride the value of 2nd round picks and support any goofy trade we make that sends them away. Had we had our 2nd round picks the past few years, guys like Malcolm Brogdon, NIKOLA JOKIC, Josh Richardson, Tyler Ulis and Richaun Holmes could've been Knicks. Our rebuild would have been in a completely different place had we kept those picks and selected some of the aforementioned talent. Instead, we got the privilege to watch Marcus Camby, Raymond Felton, Andrea Bargnani, Travis Outlaw and the like be completel useless for us.

BRIGGS wrote:I watched golden state last night and they inserted Jordan bell into starting line up. A bit undersized but he did everything if not more( both sides) than what any of our centers can do as well. Pick 36 making 800 k and doing the job just as well as any of our multi millionaires

No wonder your always right. You literally cover every angle.
start threads saying we should target Kanter? got a couple of years of those.. check
say we should get an 800k instead of our multimillionaires?... check

The goal is simply better players. Go find the next Ben Wallace or Draymond Green.

NardDogNation wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:Can Aaron Gordon fit the bill? I think he is only 6"9' and not particularly lengthy but I've been under the impression that he'd compliment Kristaps exceedingly well. AG is basically a Swiss-Army knife at that spot and I could see him being something of a poor man's Draymond Green. The only real concern I'd have of him is his tendency to be a weak rebounder from his position. That aside, he would have been a guy I maxed this offseason if we had the money and were not so stacked at the 4/5 spots.

This has been Gordon's break out year. He is gonna command max money. Question is has he settled in at PF? No way Orlando lets him walk though.

Side note he looks just like Aaron Judge and would have a field day here with that. Said in the off season he was gonna come to NY to pretend to be Judge.

I'm still not entirely sure what the new front office's agenda is. They just drafted Jonathan Isaac and I wonder if they view him as a piece next to Gordon or one to supplant him. IMO, those two fit well together at the 4 and 5 but I obviously don't run the team. And if I were as futile as they are, would I want to continue adding salary before figuring out if this core is even worth keeping around? That's why I'd be willing to play chicken with them and max Gordon early to test their resolve because there is some possibility they waiver under that pressure.

As for Aaron Judge, holy ****, lol. I hope Gordon is aware of how much they look alike and dresses up as Judge for Halloween or vice-versa.

Orlando stole some of the Bucks front office people. They are very much into position less bball and hybrid forwards. I think they had every intention of keeping Gordan and Isaac hoping for a hybrid forward combination. Or gave them play small ball 4-5 as you mention.

I could see them moving on for Elfrid though looking for better shooting. Fournier, Simmons, Isaac, Gordan give them a lot of length on the wing. They have Ross as well.

Uptown wrote:If we move Kanter, who ever we put at the 5 needs to be a monster on the boards to make up for the lack of rebounding from KP.

Knixkik wrote:2nd round picks matter, but we should be able to purchase them easily, as GS did to get Bell.

Yes. And No at the exact same time.

The Warriors were able to use their entire 3.5 million dollar allotment because they are not making trades. They have a deep and stacked roster. They are in the repeater tax zone, so they spent on depth. They don't have international guys they are trying to buy out of their non US/non NBA contracts.

Most teams need their allotment to facilitate the salary matching issues in trades. Also many teams have to consider stashes they have in other non NBA leagues they need to buy out.

If a team has a high 2nd round pick, odds are, they aren't trading it. Bottom barrel 2nd rounders, where the difference between the last few guys drafted and the class of UDFAs is pretty narrow.

As more teams are going into the tax zone ( and the last two offseasons of big spending is doing just that) the value of 2nd round picks INCREASES. They don't need to be given any guaranteed money, at all. First round picks have their first two years of slotted salary guaranteed. Contender level squads and tax paying teams will want 2nd rounders, thus teams will compete for them.

If the Knicks can buy a pick in the 2nd round, they will either have to give up a real asset to get a high one, OR they will buy a pick when the market consensus is there is no one left worth taking. Otherwise the team with the pick will take the player themselves.

The reasons the Knicks want something is the SAME REASON another team will want to keep it.

The reasons why the non Knicks team might trade it is the SAME REASON why the Knicks will likely find no value in the pick placement.

Uptown wrote:If we move Kanter, who ever we put at the 5 needs to be a monster on the boards to make up for the lack of rebounding from KP.

For every reaction, there is an equal and opposite reaction. Therefore longer shots (due to an uptick in 3 point shooting) means longer rebounds. Where we should look to improve then is our rebounding at the guard position, more than anything else.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we move Kanter, who ever we put at the 5 needs to be a monster on the boards to make up for the lack of rebounding from KP.

Is KP a bad rebounder or is he just letting Kanter and KOQ grab extra boards whenever there's an instance where either one could grab the ball? I remember people thinking KP was a great rebounder and Rolo was a bad one early in KP's rookie year.

My guess is because he's a good help defender he's usually out of position for rebounds.

Jmpasq wrote:

knickstorrents wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we move Kanter, who ever we put at the 5 needs to be a monster on the boards to make up for the lack of rebounding from KP.

Is KP a bad rebounder or is he just letting Kanter and KOQ grab extra boards whenever there's an instance where either one could grab the ball? I remember people thinking KP was a great rebounder and Rolo was a bad one early in KP's rookie year.

My guess is because he's a good help defender he's usually out of position for rebounds.

thats some of it for sure and you don't want to take that away

Cartman718 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:If we move Kanter, who ever we put at the 5 needs to be a monster on the boards to make up for the lack of rebounding from KP.

Is KP a bad rebounder or is he just letting Kanter and KOQ grab extra boards whenever there's an instance where either one could grab the ball? I remember people thinking KP was a great rebounder and Rolo was a bad one early in KP's rookie year.

KP is not being asked to expend energy on rebounding, presumably because he is not there yet in terms of stamina. I don't think right now he could play 40-43 mins efficiently in a game....and yet when the time is right, that's what superstars do and are expected to do. He needs more strength training. He has not yet mastered having a much shorter much stronger defender on him and simply shooting over them. He does that well with people he can push around a little bit. I think he needs an even stronger base and core.

Remember that one game where he played 40 minutes, shot 14-26, 5-8 from downtown, 5 blocks, 37 points, 11 rebounds and carried the Knicks to a win on national television?

It was like 2 days ago.