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Paris907
Posts: 21146 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/4/2015 Member: #6099 USA |
11/29/2017 8:23 PM
What his weakness. Looks like a nice player.
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EnySpree
Posts: 44917 Alba Posts: 138 Joined: 4/18/2003 Member: #397 |
11/29/2017 8:39 PM
Looks like Kevin Johnsson in his prime.... damn those highlight videos!
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meloshouldgo
Posts: 26565 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/3/2014 Member: #5801 |
11/30/2017 12:25 AM
So we should trade KP to whoever drafts him?
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37540 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
11/30/2017 10:16 AM
Paris907 wrote:What his weakness. Looks like a nice player. He'll be 24 by the time next year's draft comes a long. And he's only 6'1"-6'2". Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
11/30/2017 10:22 AM LAST EDITED: 11/30/2017 10:37 AM
Nice find. I honestly believe a PG with these abilities -- speed, breakdown ability, a guy that can get in the lane, a scorer, looks like this kid can shoot the ball well too and he's got some moxie to him as well which you gotta like -- can only help us. Upgrading this position will be a game changer for us. No doubt about it.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
11/30/2017 2:38 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Paris907 wrote:What his weakness. Looks like a nice player. How tall does a PG need to be? If our pick was 15 and K Knox and Mikal Beidges was gone--I would not hesitate to take 6-2 Jalen Brunson with that pick. This player here would be interesting IF we DO get a SF at 10-15 and we have two picks in rd 2. Remember this Steph Curry was a purported second rounder half way through his last year in college. Go back and look at my posts--I had him as a top 15 pick all year. Ive pretty much been on with the currys--I think this guy is something of a more athletic more PG orientated Seth Curry. I want to see the 3 point shooting stay at 45% all year. Hes got similarities and his volume FT are at 90% right now. RIP Crushalot😞
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Nalod
Posts: 68676 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
11/30/2017 2:42 PM
WE giving up on Frank already?
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
11/30/2017 2:45 PM
Nalod wrote:WE giving up on Frank already? Nalod--do you ever actually talk about basketball? If you want a BRIGGS criticism forum--maybe we can make one together honey RIP Crushalot😞
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37540 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
11/30/2017 3:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Paris907 wrote:What his weakness. Looks like a nice player. Steph or Seth? Steph was touted as a first-rounder all throughout his senior season. I bring up the height because it kinda negates some of the physical advantages he has at the next level. He looks physically dominant in those highlights, but then you have factor in that he's almost four years older than the guys he's playing against. Also, I like Holiday over brunson as a potential change of pace guy in the second-round because of his defense. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
11/30/2017 4:22 PM
Nalod wrote:WE giving up on Frank already? I don't think he's saying that. Frank's got some uniqueness to his game with his size and defense but he's got a ton of work to do in other areas. Even defensively, he needs work (I like that he gets his hands on some balls but he has trouble keeping guys in front of him). Real hard for me to look at Frank and say we drafted our lead guard for the next 15 years. I like Frank, think he'll be useful, but I think we need to find another PG that contrasts/complements what he brings to the table. |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
11/30/2017 4:50 PM
Finestrg wrote:Nalod wrote:WE giving up on Frank already? Exactly. RIP Crushalot😞
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Cartman718
Posts: 29068 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/12/2007 Member: #1694 |
11/30/2017 5:02 PM
It's definitely youtube player pron but if he's legit, he could be a microwave off the bench. But didn't see him pass the ball once in that video. Where are his assists @ Briggs? If he can't pass, he will no longer fit on this team.
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 37540 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
11/30/2017 5:25 PM
Finestrg wrote:Nalod wrote:WE giving up on Frank already? Every point guard is going to get beat of the dribble. It's the NBA. It's his recovery that makes standout. Even when he gets beat, he's able to recover and force his man into bad passes and forced shots. I agree, a change of pace guy would be nice, but I can't call a necessity at this point. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
11/30/2017 5:50 PM
Cartman718 wrote:It's definitely youtube player pron but if he's legit, he could be a microwave off the bench. But didn't see him pass the ball once in that video. Where are his assists @ Briggs? If he can't pass, he will no longer fit on this team. Hes been in Uconn's league for a couple of years. I knew who Daymean Dotson was when we drafted him. His assist to turnover ratio is very good--almost 6-1 to start season. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/robert-grayjr-1.html RIP Crushalot😞
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
11/30/2017 9:31 PM
Paris907 wrote:What his weakness. Looks like a nice player.
He has poor court vision in general. And he won't get to the line as much at the NBA level. Like a lot of college players who don't make it in the NBA, his college production is reliant on him creating his own shot, which he can do against inferior competition. At the NBA level though, it's a different story. He'll also end up a zero on defense at the next level. And, as mentioned before, his stats are padded by being more experienced and physically developed than his competition. Gray would need to shoot the 3 ball at an elite level in the NBA to carve out a real role in a rotation. Like a lot of guys Briggs touts, he has a bit of that Corey Maggette Flaw ( i.e. a empty counting stats guy where his best skill set is he doesn't understand his limitations and his worst skill set is he doesn't understand his limitations) Wes Van Beck actually has a slightly more projectible skill set as a 3 And D wing. |
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blkexec
Posts: 27834 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
12/1/2017 8:22 AM
Finestrg wrote:Nalod wrote:WE giving up on Frank already? Right now Frank isn't showing the ability to become a lead guard. But I can see him as a solid championship piece to add......off the bench.......until he proves otherwise. Just because he was a high pick.....doesnt mean he will become an NBA starter. But I'm still glad we picked him......We are on the right track.. Adding 2 way players. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
12/1/2017 11:30 AM
blkexec wrote:Finestrg wrote:Nalod wrote:WE giving up on Frank already? If Knox and Mikal Bridges are gone--and we are picking 13-18--Jalen Brunsonis my pick. He is so drastically under rated--he does everything efficiently hes a winner his IQ is off the charts. I have a feeling bGray will move up(hes not even listed) and would be someone to look at IF we do get a SF with our #1 pick. RIP Crushalot😞
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reub
Posts: 21836 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/13/2016 Member: #6227 |
12/1/2017 9:46 PM
blkexec wrote:Finestrg wrote:Nalod wrote:WE giving up on Frank already? That's just nonsense. The kid was the youngest player drafted and is doing great for his age and experience level. His defense is already elite. How many 19 year olds can you say that about? |
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FrenchFreak
Posts: 20062 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/2/2017 Member: #7568 |
12/2/2017 10:49 AM
Can you imagine how ridiculous Frank would be playing against college competition 4 years from now? That’s what you have to imagine to get to an apples to apples comparison of Frank vs Gray. I think of how dominant a similar aged Michael Gbinije looked for Cuse his last season. His age and experience gave him a big advantage over 19 year old but almost nobody saw him as a future good NBA player.
There are a dozen Rob Grays every year. He’s five years out of high school so he looks really, really good against younger competition. You have to ask why is he still in college at 24? If he had NBA athleticism he would have entered the draft years ago. He’s not long and he doesn’t look explosive in an nba way to me. Objectively his odds of having any sort of NBA career are slim. He’s a great guy to take a flyer on with a mid second round pick. Personally, I’d look for his equivalent athleticism but 3 years younger with that pick. |