Is this a chance for us to sell at a high to get back a pick and cap space next year?

We play to win while we focus on rebuilding?

Dotson is ready though. I dont think we can play that game unless we want to make a move on a player like Paul George in the off season

It all depends on the needs of contenders as the season goes on. Lee's age might make it hard to get a decent pick. If we could include sessions, that would be great.

BRIGGS wrote:His value will never be higher than it is right now.

Is this a chance for us to sell at a high to get back a pick and cap space next year?

We play to win while we focus on rebuilding?

Assuming we will have to take back equivalent salary in a C-Lee trade I would take a kid like Mo Harkless who would give us a 24 (25 in May) legit defensive SF to platoon with Dougie. Lee for Harkless works straight up, we save about $1.6M - they both have 3 years left.

I think Mo is similar to Doug in that he will play better offensively in an offense NOT dominated by 1 or 2 Stars.

newyorknewyork wrote:Looking at the teams around the NBA and I don't see a move for him at the moment.

But I do agree that we have no length at SF between Hardaway jr, Dougie & Lance(who mostly plays backup PF). Moving Hardaway to SG and Dotson backing him up and plugging in a real SF with length would do wonders.

Both OKC and Portland could use him — OKC as a starting SG and Portland as either a SF (like we’ve been using him) or off the bench behind McCollum.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:His value will never be higher than it is right now.

Is this a chance for us to sell at a high to get back a pick and cap space next year?

We play to win while we focus on rebuilding?

Some people here said, back then, that the Knicks should try to trade Melo to the Celtics for Marcus Smart and a first round pick. And that the open cap space that Boston had would be used to absorb the bulk of Melo's contract.

What did the Celtics actually do with the cap space? Sign Gordon Hayward. Yes, I know he got hurt, but look at it right then and there, at that point, from a value standpoint

Get Melo and cap lock your roster

OR

Keep Smart, on a value rookie contract, keep that pick, to use in trade or to get another cheap and useful player, and get Hayward, who was long rumored to be headed to Boston no matter what.

Would anyone here want to trade Gordon Hayward, Marcus Smart and a first round pick for Melo if Melo was on another team?

Another team trading for Lee, as you propose, would lose the first round pick, take in a player in his clear decline phase and eat the back end two years of his decline phase, and then lose the opportunity cost of that 12 million for two offseasons and the value of said expiring contract this year to make a salary match.

VORP question arises ( Value Over League Average Replacement Player)

Can another team get 75 percent of what Lee would give them, at 15 percent of the cost. Either in cap or draft assets or any form of assets.

And with teams cap locked and more teams going into the tax zone in the next few offseasons, that 12 million could reap some pretty good bargains.

Would you want the Knicks to trade for Lee if the situations were reversed ( i.e. The Mirror Test)?

If not, then why would that non Knicks team?

You're like the Vernon Schillinger of trade scenarios. And the rest of the NBA are your Tobias Beechers. There was the one episode, right after they buried Luke Perry in the wall with bricks, where this guy got gum replacements and his gang kicked him out and then there was a guy with spoon.....

I know TT-- all knick players have no value according to you.
I disagree-- I think lee represents a good value for a good team. The Knicks need a draft where they load up on really good solid mature efficient role players with starter upside. I mentioned a draft of mikal bridges jalen Brunson and bonzie colson. Were going to have a very decent 1 pick. Maybe Lee gets us Brunson and colson

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y7jn9kvq

The Bucks get a veteran center to replace the departed Greg Monroe and some floor-spacing from Courtney Lee who could directly or indirectly supplement their bench depth. We would not get any value in return but the deal would save us close to $20 million in 2 years, with the possibility to clear another $10 million if we could also offload John Henson on someone. Given the current market, cap space will be at a premium, which could help us acquire more value than holding onto a Courtney Lee.

I might even include that Bulls' second rounder in exchange for Milwaukee's 2018 second rounder and a future conditional pick to make this type of deal work.

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:His value will never be higher than it is right now.

Is this a chance for us to sell at a high to get back a pick and cap space next year?

We play to win while we focus on rebuilding?

Some people here said, back then, that the Knicks should try to trade Melo to the Celtics for Marcus Smart and a first round pick. And that the open cap space that Boston had would be used to absorb the bulk of Melo's contract.

What did the Celtics actually do with the cap space? Sign Gordon Hayward. Yes, I know he got hurt, but look at it right then and there, at that point, from a value standpoint

Get Melo and cap lock your roster

OR

Keep Smart, on a value rookie contract, keep that pick, to use in trade or to get another cheap and useful player, and get Hayward, who was long rumored to be headed to Boston no matter what.

Would anyone here want to trade Gordon Hayward, Marcus Smart and a first round pick for Melo if Melo was on another team?

Another team trading for Lee, as you propose, would lose the first round pick, take in a player in his clear decline phase and eat the back end two years of his decline phase, and then lose the opportunity cost of that 12 million for two offseasons and the value of said expiring contract this year to make a salary match.

VORP question arises ( Value Over League Average Replacement Player)

Can another team get 75 percent of what Lee would give them, at 15 percent of the cost. Either in cap or draft assets or any form of assets.

And with teams cap locked and more teams going into the tax zone in the next few offseasons, that 12 million could reap some pretty good bargains.

Would you want the Knicks to trade for Lee if the situations were reversed ( i.e. The Mirror Test)?

If not, then why would that non Knicks team?

You're like the Vernon Schillinger of trade scenarios. And the rest of the NBA are your Tobias Beechers. There was the one episode, right after they buried Luke Perry in the wall with bricks, where this guy got gum replacements and his gang kicked him out and then there was a guy with spoon.....

While Lee doesn’t provide the solid defense he did 2-3 years ago, he is still fundamentally solid, a veteran, professionally solid and shoots a very solid 3pt percentage. At $11mm (I believe that his take)he represents good value for a team making a run. I think using the mirror test (hard to do for Knick fans) he’s solid value.

Knixkik wrote:Vets are needed for rebuilding teams. He's the ideal vet presence here. I would love to keep him. Continue to start him until we find a long-term SF, then transition him off the bench alongside McDermott and company. Obviously if you can trade him for good value, it has to be considered, but no need to deal him just for cap relief. He earns his money and is a very useful player. Right now i see our long-term lineup as this.

C Kanter
PF Porzingis
SF TBD
SG Hardaway
PG Ntilikina
6th Lee
7th McDermott
8th Backup PG
9th Hernangomez
10th Dotson

We need a high level starting SF and a high level backup PG. Everything else should be developed in house for now.

NardDogNation wrote:

Paris907 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:I think Courtney lee is invaluable. I think we just need to hold on to him. Trading him for a draft pick seems like taking 2 steps back. One of the cogs that make us go. We have to be very careful not to disrupt chemistry. We are building a solid foundation not playing Jenga

Dotson is ready though. I dont think we can play that game unless we want to make a move on a player like Paul George in the off season

Your barely above 500, play 16 of 20 on the road in late Dec to early feb and your concern is Courtney Lee making us go. Sure, hold on to him until he’s worthless. Please. Briggs again is correct. He’s valuable to a playoff team and stockpiling picks and being relieved of $11 million works for me. I mean what’s your objective ? Make the first round and he eliminated and secure the 18th pick? Is that your definition of success? Play Dotson.

Exactly!