For all we know he could be back to the old Noah, but JH is not going to bench any of the current bigs to see what he has because it wouldn't be fair to willy, KPQ and beasly..His only way of getting PT is injury or a serious slump by kantar or KOQ.

I seriously doubt he wants to be a cheer leader for the next 65 games. I think he's being a great sport/teammate, but I don't see that lasting too much longer. Then what happens?

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fishmike wrote:nothing. Nothing needs to happen. Hornacek said he played excellent in camp and in practice and was quoted as being shocked by how good Noah was in shape. I have no clue what that means.

Obviously KOQ is opting out of his deal. Knicks knowing this and that with Noah here it makes very little sense to resign him to a more price contract to be a backup I am sure the Knicks will look to move KOQ for whatever they can get.

So here is where Noah comes in. You give the backup center minutes to Willy/Noah, whoever earns it. They are very different players but I suspect Noah wins that job. We are so good at getting shots off quick cuts and little curls. We also do everything off screens. Noah is one of the best screen setters and pick setters in the league. Also he's a ball mover and expert passer. He could be great off the bench. He and Frank anchor the defense off the bench and run McD off screens all day.

you may have a point but keep in my mind that, 1) Perry has been trying to trade Noah since he got here. 2)perry has turned down a few trade offers for KOQ and lance already 3)do you trust noah (to stay healthy) enough to not have a plan A, B, and C.

I haven't been a huge willy fan like some of you are, I think he will always be a soft, finesse big man. His skills and IQ may get better, but his style will not.

WP76 wrote:The undeniable problem with Noah is when the Knicks are on offense, there are five defenders on four offensive players. Noah has ZERO offensive game, he cannot create his own shot and he can't even cleanup the garbage plays for points that he once did. Combine that with his sub 50 percent FT shooting as a Knick and you have perhaps the most expensive and unproductive roster spot in the history of professional sports.

CrushAlot wrote:See what happens with Deng and the Lakers. If they are able to extend his deal and then amnesty him the Knicks might look into doing that with Noah. I think the Knicks would have to wait at least until this season is over though.

Actually I’d consider trading Noah for Deng if the lakers are going to stretch him- Deng is just as done as Noah, but would allow us to clear up the front court log jam, while giving us an SF

Think Noah will get his opportunity and when he does, if he does well, he may be a regular.
In theory, for short bursts, I think Noah should have more value than O'Quinn in the rotation.

This team's 1-5 on the road. They need some more physical, better defensive players on the road. I think Noah should get a chance before he's written off. I would be surprised if he didn't prove to be second most in value after Kanter (from the Centers that we have).

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nyknickzingis wrote:I think with injuries he will get a chance.
There's no way Kanter and O'Quinn both stay healthy all year.
Willy's not a good fit with Hornachek, I think Horny isn't his biggest fan because of the defense.

Think Noah will get his opportunity and when he does, if he does well, he may be a regular.
In theory, for short bursts, I think Noah should have more value than O'Quinn in the rotation.

This team's 1-5 on the road. They need some more physical, better defensive players on the road. I think Noah should get a chance before he's written off. I would be surprised if he didn't prove to be second most in value after Kanter (from the Centers that we have).

Yes...

All respect due to KOQ... he seems to be fading. It's hard to bring top energy for 82 games. He seems burnt out already. Noah essentially brings the same thing he does, but experience is everything. We might need to call his name sooner than later...

Hermangomez should never play another game for us.

I'm glad some of you are starting to realize what I was seeing last season, he's a bum, well maybe not a complete bum, but he is not a rotation player.

I love kp but he's rebound #s are completely ridiculous, zero offensive rebounds in 36 minutes, and 4 overall.

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WP76 wrote:The undeniable problem with Noah is when the Knicks are on offense, there are five defenders on four offensive players. Noah has ZERO offensive game, he cannot create his own shot and he can't even cleanup the garbage plays for points that he once did. Combine that with his sub 50 percent FT shooting as a Knick and you have perhaps the most expensive and unproductive roster spot in the history of professional sports.

This. Also, I think his free throw shooting percentage is more like 44% as a Knick.

Yeah, we can't possibly even think about playing this guy. I mean can you imagine Noah out there with either Jack or Frank? Now your talking 3-5 offensively for the most part.

I'm not sure about the amnesty clause with this guy either -- only if they have a plan to add something significant and they need the cap space; don't do it just to do it. Otherwise, let him come off the cap regular then turn the page asap and be done with him. What a huge misfire this signing was.

Finestrg wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

WP76 wrote:The undeniable problem with Noah is when the Knicks are on offense, there are five defenders on four offensive players. Noah has ZERO offensive game, he cannot create his own shot and he can't even cleanup the garbage plays for points that he once did. Combine that with his sub 50 percent FT shooting as a Knick and you have perhaps the most expensive and unproductive roster spot in the history of professional sports.

This. Also, I think his free throw shooting percentage is more like 44% as a Knick.

Yeah, we can't possibly even think about playing this guy. I mean can you imagine Noah out there with either Jack or Frank? Now your talking 3-5 offensively for the most part.

I'm not sure about the amnesty clause with this guy either -- only if they have a plan to add something significant and they need the cap space; don't do it just to do it. Otherwise, let him come off the cap regular then turn the page asap and be done with him. What a huge misfire this signing was.

He wasn't in shape last season. Don't know if he can't do any of those things anymore due to his decline or due to conditioning. If Jeff sees it in practice and is confident then he will play him eventually if players get injured or if KOQ & Willy continue to play like they did last night.

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newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:I think with injuries he will get a chance.
There's no way Kanter and O'Quinn both stay healthy all year.
Willy's not a good fit with Hornachek, I think Horny isn't his biggest fan because of the defense.

Think Noah will get his opportunity and when he does, if he does well, he may be a regular.
In theory, for short bursts, I think Noah should have more value than O'Quinn in the rotation.

This team's 1-5 on the road. They need some more physical, better defensive players on the road. I think Noah should get a chance before he's written off. I would be surprised if he didn't prove to be second most in value after Kanter (from the Centers that we have).

Yes...

All respect due to KOQ... he seems to be fading. It's hard to bring top energy for 82 games. He seems burnt out already. Noah essentially brings the same thing he does, but experience is everything. We might need to call his name sooner than later...

Hermangomez should never play another game for us.

I'm glad some of you are starting to realize what I was seeing last season, he's a bum, well maybe not a complete bum, but he is not a rotation player.

I love kp but he's rebound #s are completely ridiculous, zero offensive rebounds in 36 minutes, and 4 overall.

Seems very similar to past Knicks draft picks. Have a solid rookie yr. Struggle the 2nd yr, we give up on them and trade them away. They go on to carve out a decent career with another team. All of our front court was horrible last night defensively and on the boards. From KP to KOQ to Willy. Willy started well with 6pts 3rebs for half the first quarter he played when we built our lead. Then fell off the map getting in foul trouble fighting for rebounds going over the back. KOQ may have been worse last night. Willy has more to prove then those other guys based on contributions added so far this season. Willy would be a good measurement for our development department which we have lacked since forever and another part of our culture we need to change. Took Timmy 4 years of development to become the upgraded player he is today.

I thought so to until I looked at the plus/minus, and he was the only player who had a plus.
willy was not that good last yr either, when you score 10 and give up 20 in the paint, you are a negative on the stat sheet.

For instance, yesterday he had a clean block at the rim on the opposing players first attempt, on the second attempt, he literally stood there hands down and looked at the player go right back up for a uncontested dunk inches away from him, as if the effort to contest it again was too much for him. That dude is a *****...

That's exactly the type of ammo Jeff needs though with game tape. Him getting these mins and getting exposed on those type of plays from the coaches in the film room.