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EnySpree
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8/31/2004  1:58 PM
Wow....it's a rumor but what a crazy trade for both sides.....

They lose Randolph but get the jumpshooting 2 guard they want....and they still have Rahim.

The Bucks get a dominant post threat in Randolph that they wanted since Vin Baker was an all-star.....

What a great trade.....although its something that is just in the talking stages but it's so perfect it could happen.....

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8/31/2004  2:04 PM
I can see Portland doing this, keeping Shareef afterword, but why Milwaukee would do this is beyond me. Especially after the Olympics stretched the importance of a shooter like Redd.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 08/31/2004 14:06:27]
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8/31/2004  2:08 PM
I'm actually gonna take that back now...isn't Redd looking to leave after his contract? I could be wrong.
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8/31/2004  2:13 PM
Posted by MaTT4281:

I can see Portland doing this, keeping Shareef afterword, but why Milwaukee would do this is beyond me. Especially after the Olympics stretched the importance of a shooter like Redd.

[Edited by - MaTT4281 on 08/31/2004 14:06:27]

actually on talent, i think MIL makes out better...Randolph is probably a 20/10 type player & still very young...those types of players are much harder to come by than good shooting SG's are...Michael Redd can't carry a team the way Randolph can, IF he ever gets his head screwed on straight that is & stop getting into trouble.
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8/31/2004  2:18 PM
Randolph, DAnderson and a pick for Redd, Mason, and Haislip.

Portland gets real athletic, imagine Mason and Miles on the wings with Telfair giving them the ball. That's trouble for just about everyone on the fast break, not to mention Abdur-Rahim being the trailer.

I think this is because Randolph's latest issues with the gun shooting in the night club and Portland wants good guys on their team, not these losers like Randolph who are always in trouble.

Milwaukee would have an absolute beast in Randolph, this guy would push for All-NBA first team in the Eastern Conference.
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8/31/2004  2:35 PM
good trade for both team, makes a hell of alot sense
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8/31/2004  2:39 PM
If Randolph can get his head on straight and play defense, then there isn't anyone on the Bucks I would trade him for
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8/31/2004  2:42 PM
Both teams get what they need. Milwaukee gets the big guy they desparately need along with a decent replacement for Redd and Portland gets that excellent shooter that have been trying to get. Plus, this would allow the Blazers to start Rahim at PF and not have to deal with Goodwin's complaining anymore. If this trade does happen, the Bucks will become much more of a threat in the East.
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8/31/2004  2:45 PM
Redd will want fair value for his talent. Zach is damaged goods now, but a big inside player. Makes sense! They give Rahim an extension and the playing time he wants.

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8/31/2004  3:07 PM
Posted by Nalod:

Redd will want fair value for his talent. Zach is damaged goods now, but a big inside player. Makes sense! They give Rahim an extension and the playing time he wants.

I agree. Redd will be unrestricted FA and as 1st team all nba SG, he will command the Max. This deal makes sense for both teams. Too bad, Portland will have a nice team, but probably not good enough to make the playoffs in the West.
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8/31/2004  4:46 PM
This fool from another message link made this idiotic rumor stating it came from WFAN. He got bashed for it... This came from the MSGnetwork Knicks message board.. This is what he said: Also this trade will never take place


"I heard that this trade might go down.
Kurt Thomas, Tim Thomas, and Nazr Mohammed for Shareef Abdur Rahim, Zach Randolph, Ruben Patterson and someone else insignificant quentel woods
i checked on realgm it works maybe it true" New York trades: SF Tim Thomas (14.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 20.1 minutes)
New York receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.6 minutes)
PF Zach Randolph (20.1 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SF Qyntel Woods (3.6 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.8 minutes)
Change in team outlook: +13.8 ppg, +4.9 rpg, and +2.3 apg.

Portland trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes)
SG Ruben Patterson (7.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 1.9 apg in 22.6 minutes)
PF Zach Randolph (20.1 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 37.9 minutes)
SF Qyntel Woods (3.6 ppg, 2.2 rpg, 0.7 apg in 10.8 minutes)
Portland receives: SF Tim Thomas (14.7 ppg, 4.8 rpg, 1.9 apg in 66 games)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 80 games)
C Nazr Mohammed (7.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg, 0.5 apg in 80 games)
Change in team outlook: -13.8 ppg, -4.9 rpg, and -2.3 apg.

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8/31/2004  7:27 PM
Posted by WOODMANnYk:

This fool from another message link made this idiotic rumor stating it came from WFAN. He got bashed for it... This came from the MSGnetwork Knicks message board.. This is what he said: Also this trade will never take place


"I heard that this trade might go down.
Kurt Thomas, Tim Thomas, and Nazr Mohammed for Shareef Abdur Rahim, Zach Randolph, Ruben Patterson and someone else insignificant quentel woods
i checked on realgm it works maybe it true"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Gotta love the Knick fans bro. This trade proposal reminds me of the Webber for Ward trade posts.
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8/31/2004  7:35 PM
hahahah, i checked msgnetwork and some people who replied believed him and this one dude said he wouldnt do this trade:

I don't like that trade because we get rid of a true center, and a SF that has a tremendous advantage in the league due to his size and versitility. I think a trade that can bring in Randolph or Rahim for K.Thomas and change (Anderson/Norris/Arriza) would be optimum. I don't like trading T.Thomas just yet without seeing how he performs with good health and attitude. He is an all-star player with that combination working for him.
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8/31/2004  7:39 PM
Posted by mintyfreshness33:

I don't like that trade because we get rid of a true center, and a SF that has a tremendous advantage in the league due to his size and versitility.
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8/31/2004  9:21 PM
http://fanzone.msgnetwork.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=700719&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
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8/31/2004  10:02 PM
Posted by mintyfreshness33:

http://fanzone.msgnetwork.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=700719&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
This is really precious. I love these posts. Trade offers like this one really convince me of how dellusional most Knick fans truly are. You have to love them. One of the dudes actually said, I would not do this deal. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Anyone that hasn't read it, click on that link. It is definately worth your while.
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8/31/2004  10:43 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by mintyfreshness33:

http://fanzone.msgnetwork.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=700719&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1
This is really precious. I love these posts. Trade offers like this one really convince me of how dellusional most Knick fans truly are. You have to love them. One of the dudes actually said, I would not do this deal. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

Anyone that hasn't read it, click on that link. It is definately worth your while.

Honestly, as lopsided a deal as that would be for pure talent (I like how Portland would throw in Q Woods), I wouldn't want Zach or Reef. I don't like either of their games: Zach is the most selfish player in the league and plays no D and Reef has never played significant minutes on a winner and seems similarly allergic to D.

I absolutely think Reef and Zach are more talented, but I think Kurt, Nazr and Tim are more valuable to this team. I really wouldn't be so quick to trade Tim. I think he's going to have a great year next year. How many true small forwards are there in the league? Tim is one of the few, if you ask me. So, while Zach and Reef are clearly better scorers, I don't know if they fit the team. Zach is a cancer with legal and family issues. Reef I think has potential, but who would the SF be?

I know this trade will never ever ever ever ever ever even come close to happening, but I'm quite happy that's the deal.
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8/31/2004  11:56 PM
How many true small forwards are there in the league? Tim is one of the few

tim is the farthest thing from a small forward, im not saying hes bad, im just saying hes no true small forward. hes a sf/pf
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9/1/2004  1:18 AM
Posted by mintyfreshness33:
How many true small forwards are there in the league? Tim is one of the few

tim is the farthest thing from a small forward, im not saying hes bad, im just saying hes no true small forward. hes a sf/pf

He looked pretty good at small forward as a Knick. He's big, but still quick and has a fantastic mid-range jumper. He's everything we wanted Charles Smith to be.
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Losing his touch
Those close to Zach Randolph question the poor choices he continues to make
Tuesday, August 31, 2004
JASON QUICK
MARION, Ind. -- There used to be believers in this town, back in the day, back when Zach Randolph was just a kid.

In every direction there was either a flourishing cornfield or a prospering factory. Of the nine paper plate factories in the nation, five of them were in Marion. There also were plants that manufactured television picture tubes, bottles, cardboard boxes and automobile parts.


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And the basketball team . . . oh, those Marion Giants. Seven state titles -- just one off the state record held by nearby Muncie Central -- not to mention so many other near-misses, such as the year Broadripple made a length-of-the-court shot at the buzzer to stun the favored Giants.

No state takes its high school basketball as seriously as Indiana, and no town takes it as seriously as Marion (pop. 31,000), perhaps to a fault, some residents say. Every year, there was a new can't-miss star, often anointed by media members as early as the fifth grade, who finally would don the purple and gold and give the basketball crazies (they are everywhere here) something to talk about.

It was last like this in 2000, when a once clumsy and awkward kid named Zach Randolph grew into his body, all 6-foot-9 of it, and led the Giants to state title number seven.

Now, everything has changed. There is little, if anything, to believe in -- even as the Chamber of Commerce attempts to boost morale with a "We Believe in Marion" slogan splashed all around town.

One by one, the factories started to close, until now, only the General Motors plant remains. It has led to a 17.6 percent unemployment rate, second-highest in Indiana and more than three times the national average.

And year by year, there seems to be another shady incident involving Randolph, their most heralded basketball star, seemingly adding insult to injury.

The latest is a possible criminal charge against Randolph for lying to police after, witnesses say, his younger brother, Roger, shot three men around 2:30 a.m. on Aug. 22 in a nightclub in nearby Anderson, Ind.

Randolph, who witnesses say tried to restrain Roger while he was shooting into the crowd, then led him out of the nightclub, has told police three times he knew nothing of the incident. He will have a fourth chance Wednesday, when Randolph and his attorney meet with Madison County prosecutor Rodney Cummings.

"I'm expecting cooperation," Cummings said. "He needs to tell what he saw."

If Randolph again denies seeing anything, Cummings said he will pursue charges immediately. Cummings said he will either charge Randolph with giving false information to the police, a Class A misdemeanor, punishable by as much as one year in prison, or with assisting a criminal, a Class D felony, punishable by as much as three years in prison.

Randolph and his family declined to be interviewed for this story.

The people in Marion want to believe in Randolph. They believe in his heart, the one that has donated time and money to local kids programs. They believe in his spirit, the one that smiles with ease and thirsts for loving attention. And they believe in his determination, the one that worked to avenge the "experts" who touted other youths while he clumsily tried to adjust to his growing body. And the one who diligently worked on his troubling grades in order to stay on track for his goal of reaching the NBA.

But then again, how long does one believe? Their faith in the economy, believing that the next factory surely couldn't close, has gotten them here, investing their hopes in a billboard slogan.

And for as much as they believe in Randolph's heart, spirit and determination, they don't believe in his mind. They remember 1999, when during a glorious start to the season that had the town talking title, Randolph was kicked off the team after being convicted of selling and possessing stolen guns.

Two years earlier, he served 30 days house arrest for a battery conviction. And in 1995, he served 30 days in juvenile detention for shoplifting a pair of pants.

Some say that at 23, he has yet to mature. Others say he simply is naive. However, they all agree on this: The downfall of Zach Randolph is the crowd with which he chooses to associate.

"He needs to say 'I need help,' but he's not aware he has a problem," said Moe Smedley, Randolph's high school coach, who often picked up Randolph at home. "And the problem is he is hanging with the wrong people. I just don't want the day to come where I pick up that paper and it says he shot someone, or that he was shot. Every day that goes by that I don't see that, I feel good."

Headed to Milwaukee?

Two-thousand miles west, in Portland, the Trail Blazers organization also is struggling to believe.

After watching Randolph steadily progress in his first three seasons -- including last season, when he averaged 20.1 points and 10.5 rebounds, earning him the NBA's Most Improved Player award -- the Blazers believe in Randolph's talent.

But the franchise is embarking on year two of its self-proclaimed "New Era," which included a much-publicized 25-point pledge to its fans that trumpeted a philosophy of valuing character over talent.

Randolph, clearly the most talented and promising player on the team, is in the last year of his contract, which is set to pay him $1.8 million this season. The Blazers have until Oct. 31 to offer an extension, which one month ago seemed like a sure bet.

But today, the Blazers have cooled considerably, to the point where their once-believed foundation of the future now is rumored in a trade sending Randolph, Derek Anderson and a 2005 draft pick to Milwaukee for Michael Redd, Desmond Mason and Marcus Haislip.

Even though Zach Randolph didn't pull the trigger in the Anderson night club, the incident comes on the heels of his juvenile record in Marion and a tenure with the Blazers that includes a driving under the influence of intoxicants (marijuana) charge last December by Portland police, a conviction for underage drinking in Marion in 2002, and a two-game suspension in April 2003 by the team after he sucker-punched teammate Ruben Patterson, breaking Patterson's eye socket, during a practice.

General manager John Nash, who at one point this summer said he would like to sign Randolph to an extension, said last week that Randolph's involvement in the Anderson shooting didn't "sit well with what we are trying to achieve and accomplish in Portland."

But in the same breath, Nash can't escape his attachment to Randolph.

"I love the player and his ability, and I like the individual, because I truly believe he has a good heart," Nash said.

Now the question is, which Randolph do the Blazers believe in?

Not "a bad bone in him"

It was an awkward childhood for Randolph, who was diagnosed with ADD/HD, attention deficit disorder/hyperactive disorder. Coupled with an impoverished background -- his single mother, Mae, raised her four children on welfare -- and the racial overtones of a mostly white blue-collar community, Randolph was somewhat of an outcast, endearing him to a misfit collection of friends.

Soon, however, it became apparent that Randolph could play basketball, and by the fourth grade he was popular, winning kids over with his playfulness, and charming the teachers he tested with his smile and innocence.

"I liked him very, very much," said Laurie Kocher, his fourth-grade teacher. "I think he has a wonderful heart."

But that heart was hurt when his peers were given attention for their basketball skills, while he was criticized for his borderline grades and the rowdy crowd with which he associated.

"So many people put him down," Kocher said. "But he never stopped practicing."

His grade school teachers remarked how well he was raised by his mother, who always had her kids neatly groomed and respectful of authority. When Kocher said she was having a hard time keeping Randolph in line, Mae told her that she would threaten to take basketball away from Zach.

"And boy, did that kid get on the ball," Kocher said. "Mae was a wonderful, driving force for him."

But his friends, that was another story.

"I think he purposely chose bad friends," Kocher said. "He has always just loved living on the edge, he liked that excitement."

By 14, Randolph was caught stealing a pair of pants while he was with friends.

"I don't think the kid has a bad bone in him," said Jenny Maidenberg, his second-grade teacher. "But I think he may be too trusting. I don't think Zach thinks anyone is going to do something bad."

A struggling brother

At the center of Randolph's crowd is his brother, Roger, younger by one year.

There are some in Marion who say that Roger, a 6-foot-5 guard, was more talented than Zach in basketball. But there is no debate that Roger took a wrong turn growing up, starting around seventh grade.

"He really turned bad," Kocher said.

By high school, Roger was kicked off the basketball team, and his mother sent him to a boarding school in Pennsylvania. As Zach flourished in basketball, some theorize that Roger's inborn anger intensified out of jealousy.

"I think Zach tries to make it up to him now," Kocher said. "Whenever Zach comes back to town, he makes sure he takes Roger around."

That scenario turned ugly Aug. 22 when, police say, Roger opened fire on the dance floor of the notorious Sinbad's nightclub in Anderson. Cummings said that 15 to 20 murders have taken place over the years at the nightclub.

"Only bad things happen at that place," Cummings said. "The only thing that happens in that place is people get shot."

Three weeks before the shooting, on Aug. 1, Roger was arrested by Marion police after a routine traffic stop revealed he was carrying a handgun without a permit, in addition to possessing marijuana.

"He's a criminal," Smedley said. "But Zach is still running with Roger. Why? If Roger is put away, that will help Zach in a big way."

"Why would he screw it up?"

What hurts the people of Marion the most is that Randolph has been surrounded by strong role models -- Smedley, Michigan State coach Tom Izzo, Blazers coach Maurice Cheeks -- and responded to their guidance, only to step out of line.

"I just think he hangs with the wrong people," said Izzo, who coached Randolph for one season. "But I think one thing we do, maybe to a fault, is we are always telling these kids, 'Don't forget where you came from.' Well, that can be a problem when you come from a little rougher neighborhood. But for the most part, with Zach, if there is a fault, it is that he follows more than he leads."

Cheeks is trying to reverse that trend. He says he believes in Randolph, so much so that he wants him to become a leader on the Blazers, a point he made in a call shortly after the Aug. 22 shooting.

"I told him that being a leader means people look up to you," Cheeks said. "I told him you can't be getting caught up in this and that, it's just not acceptable. He has to be careful, with the things he does, the people he hangs with. . . . I mean, he doesn't have to shun his friends, but he can say, 'Look, I have something to lose here,' then keep moving on. Because if he continues along this path, then something is going to happen . . . it could be him."

And that would be a tragedy, the one that almost seems befitting of Marion -- a town that once had it all, but is on the verge of being left with nothing.

"He has worked so hard to get where he is at," Smedley said. "Why would he screw it up at some bar on a Saturday night in Indiana? And that's what bothers me, he has seen the right way to do things."

"I just feel so sad," said Kocher, the fourth-grade teacher. "I just don't think he is mature yet, he is still making bad decisions, not thinking ahead. He is not a bad kid, he just loves his brother and is caught in the middle of it all."

And that leaves two sides -- Marion and the Blazers -- wanting to believe, waiting to believe that Randolph is worth it.

"I look at him and I see what people see," Izzo said. "You want to love the guy, but you have questions about him."

Jason Quick: 503-221-4372; jasonquick@news.oregonian.com



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