I just wonder what Gaines's role is moving forward. A scout is not enough in my opinion.

Almost all the draft picks he's suggested to Phil, that we end up making have turned out to be gold.

Porzingis may be the best player in his draft.
Frank is playing like a lottery rookie point guard already. Man that defense.
Willy's rookie season was great and his offense even in scattered minutes has been superb.

I also like Dotson, I think Dotson will become a good two way player eventually.

Just saying, I hope Perry is the one making trades, but when it comes to drafting, the person we need to listen to and be the main influence in making the final is Gaines. Phil made many mistakes, but his smartest move was to listen to Gaines and draft Porzingis, Willy, Frank. If we don't have Phil, then no Gaines, and no Porzingis, Frank or Willy. Think about what Mills would have done, or what Perry would have had he been the final decision maker for the draft.

Hope Dolan or Mills have the smarts to assign the draft decisions to Gaines. "Scout" is not enough, unless his scouting is the one that you make the final call on.

nyknickzingis wrote:

EnySpree wrote:Is it June yet?

No, but the guys you have in place now, have to accumulate the information now until June.
To keep the rebuild going in the right direction, drafting will be key.
I hope Gaines is still a big part of the drafting process.

He is... you looking for a media article on it? Gaines job was revamped. Still a super scout. Everybody knows what he does. If a poster on a Knicks fansite knows, I think its safe to say Knicks manage knows... after all they did hire him and retained him.

CrushAlot wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:If we don't retain Gaines (and, yes, I htink he should be promoted) it would be ****ing bush league. Gaines can eye talent. He should oversee our scouts and/or player development. This guy is good. I don't care that Perry or Mills didn't hire him. Don't question the blessings

Gaines is still with the Knicks as a scout but his title changed. That might have been his decision.

This is the type of situation where Jimmy D's dad's money comes in handy. Gaines is the best thing that happened to the organization under PJax. I want to hear that the organization is bending over backwards to let him know that he is wanted here and valued

reub wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:As good as Perry did with the Melo trade. Major props to him. I don't think that we ever going to trade Melo to Houston for Anderson. However a trade was done very slowly and with good terms with Melo. Like you would never have had if not for Perry. So we need a guy like Perry in as GM.

I just wonder what Gaines's role is moving forward. A scout is not enough in my opinion.

Almost all the draft picks he's suggested to Phil, that we end up making have turned out to be gold.

Porzingis may be the best player in his draft.
Frank is playing like a lottery rookie point guard already. Man that defense.
Willy's rookie season was great and his offense even in scattered minutes has been superb.

I also like Dotson, I think Dotson will become a good two way player eventually.

Just saying, I hope Perry is the one making trades, but when it comes to drafting, the person we need to listen to and be the main influence in making the final is Gaines. Phil made many mistakes, but his smartest move was to listen to Gaines and draft Porzingis, Willy, Frank. If we don't have Phil, then no Gaines, and no Porzingis, Frank or Willy. Think about what Mills would have done, or what Perry would have had he been the final decision maker for the draft.

Hope Dolan or Mills have the smarts to assign the draft decisions to Gaines. "Scout" is not enough, unless his scouting is the one that you make the final call on.

How do you know that he didn't suggest other picks that Phil rightfully discarded? You can't have it both ways. Phil hired Gaines and Phil selected KP, Willy, Frank and Dotson. Be fair.

We are where we are now because we drafted well.

No GM or executive are always right on the draft.
But when you have someone like Gaines on the payroll he is a big time asset and you better be taking his word over other scouts.

Before Gaines was hired by Phil we drafted pretty poorly under Mills. I just hope Mills learned his lesson and follows the same path Phil and Gaines were on.

But in 2001, Gaines elected to step away from his job with the Bulls and move out to Southern California, where he and his wife, a deputy district attorney for Los Angeles County, raised their two children. He began blogging—he titled his website "A Scout's Perspective"—and put the master's degree in business he'd earned from the University of North Carolina to use by trading stocks. He also stayed in touch with Jackson, who in 1999 was hired to be the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. Jackson often invited Gaines to attend Lakers practices.

Why Gaines never took an official position with Jackson's L.A. teams is unclear. Mitch Kupchak, the Lakers' general manager at the time, says he can't recall whether Jackson (who through the Knicks declined to comment on this story and instead provided Bleacher Report with a statement he had previously issued to the New York Post) ever requested the organization hire Gaines, or whether there was ever an opening for him to fill. Instead, the two had to wait 15 years, and for Jackson to take a different job 3,000 miles away, to professionally reunite.

Dude is like the Rondo of scouting?

"

Phil told us that Clarence was one of his consultants, that he would be going around asking questions," the staffer says. "And Clarence is used to being the smartest man in the room, which is why Phil likes him, and intellectually, he's really smart. But the problem is early on he became Phil's eyes and ears, and it made people paranoid."

One problem, according to the staffer, and echoed by others from the Knicks, is Gaines' people skills, or lack thereof. Even opposing scouts who respect his ability to mine talent admit Gaines' struggles cultivating relationships with coworkers and colleagues.

"He's a strange bird," adds one Western Conference scout.

"He's not really well liked by people around MSG," says another former Knicks employee.

None of the people interviewed for this story questioned Gaines' abilities as a scout. And Gaines, it seems, is willing to challenge his boss. Just one month before the Knicks hired Jackson, Gaines tweeted a mathematical breakdown of why players are better off hoisting three-pointers, a shot Jackson has acknowledged he's not a fan of, as opposed to mid-range jumpers.

rest of article....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2716975-a-strange-bird-only-one-knicks-exec-can-talk-sense-into-phil-jackson

https://elitesportsny.com/2017/08/10/clarence-gaines-jr-new-york-knicks/

So what have we learned? Gaines is here, knicks might have put him in a better situation FOR HIM and the team.
The dude is a lone wolf. And we are better for it.

Kevin Wilson:

https://fansided.com/2016/11/23/new-york-knicks-european-connection/

Knicks front office: http://www.nba.com/knicks/front-office/

From Knicks website:

Native of Winston-Salem, NC...Earned bachelor’s degree in business administration from the College of William and Mary in 1980 and master’s degree in business from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill...Second-team Academic All-American in 1979 as a football star at William and Mary...Son of the late, legendary Hall of Fame coach Clarence “Bighouse” Gaines, who mentored Knicks Legend Earl Monroe at Winston-Salem State...Author of personal blog “A Scout’s Perspective”...Heavily involved in coaching youth sports in Southern California, which he calls, “the most impactful thing in my life.”...Additional career as a stock trader involved in personal investment for the last three decades...Clarence Jr. and his wife Cheryl, a Los Angeles County deputy district attorney, live in Eagle Rock, CA, and are proud parents of daughter Olivia (19) and son Garrett (14).

Ok, I did the heavy lifting since y'all ignore my shyt. I can't tell you how long Gaines contract is. Seems like he is valued by knicks.

Nalod wrote:http://nypost.com/2017/05/27/meet-phil-jacksons-knicks-draft-guru-a-respected-odd-duck/

But in 2001, Gaines elected to step away from his job with the Bulls and move out to Southern California, where he and his wife, a deputy district attorney for Los Angeles County, raised their two children. He began blogging—he titled his website "A Scout's Perspective"—and put the master's degree in business he'd earned from the University of North Carolina to use by trading stocks. He also stayed in touch with Jackson, who in 1999 was hired to be the head coach of the Los Angeles Lakers. Jackson often invited Gaines to attend Lakers practices.

Why Gaines never took an official position with Jackson's L.A. teams is unclear. Mitch Kupchak, the Lakers' general manager at the time, says he can't recall whether Jackson (who through the Knicks declined to comment on this story and instead provided Bleacher Report with a statement he had previously issued to the New York Post) ever requested the organization hire Gaines, or whether there was ever an opening for him to fill. Instead, the two had to wait 15 years, and for Jackson to take a different job 3,000 miles away, to professionally reunite.

Dude is like the Rondo of scouting?

"

Phil told us that Clarence was one of his consultants, that he would be going around asking questions," the staffer says. "And Clarence is used to being the smartest man in the room, which is why Phil likes him, and intellectually, he's really smart. But the problem is early on he became Phil's eyes and ears, and it made people paranoid."

One problem, according to the staffer, and echoed by others from the Knicks, is Gaines' people skills, or lack thereof. Even opposing scouts who respect his ability to mine talent admit Gaines' struggles cultivating relationships with coworkers and colleagues.

"He's a strange bird," adds one Western Conference scout.

"He's not really well liked by people around MSG," says another former Knicks employee.

None of the people interviewed for this story questioned Gaines' abilities as a scout. And Gaines, it seems, is willing to challenge his boss. Just one month before the Knicks hired Jackson, Gaines tweeted a mathematical breakdown of why players are better off hoisting three-pointers, a shot Jackson has acknowledged he's not a fan of, as opposed to mid-range jumpers.

rest of article....

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2716975-a-strange-bird-only-one-knicks-exec-can-talk-sense-into-phil-jackson

https://elitesportsny.com/2017/08/10/clarence-gaines-jr-new-york-knicks/

So what have we learned? Gaines is here, knicks might have put him in a better situation FOR HIM and the team.
The dude is a lone wolf. And we are better for it.

Kevin Wilson:

https://fansided.com/2016/11/23/new-york-knicks-european-connection/

Knicks front office: http://www.nba.com/knicks/front-office/

From Knicks website:

Native of Winston-Salem, NC...Earned bachelor’s degree in business administration from the College of William and Mary in 1980 and master’s degree in business from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill...Second-team Academic All-American in 1979 as a football star at William and Mary...Son of the late, legendary Hall of Fame coach Clarence “Bighouse” Gaines, who mentored Knicks Legend Earl Monroe at Winston-Salem State...Author of personal blog “A Scout’s Perspective”...Heavily involved in coaching youth sports in Southern California, which he calls, “the most impactful thing in my life.”...Additional career as a stock trader involved in personal investment for the last three decades...Clarence Jr. and his wife Cheryl, a Los Angeles County deputy district attorney, live in Eagle Rock, CA, and are proud parents of daughter Olivia (19) and son Garrett (14).

Ok, I did the heavy lifting since y'all ignore my shyt. I can't tell you how long Gaines contract is. Seems like he is valued by knicks.

I think Gaines may have Aspergers syndrome. From what I have read about him and know of his personality it seems in line with the traits of the condition.

Uptown wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:

reub wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:As good as Perry did with the Melo trade. Major props to him. I don't think that we ever going to trade Melo to Houston for Anderson. However a trade was done very slowly and with good terms with Melo. Like you would never have had if not for Perry. So we need a guy like Perry in as GM.

I just wonder what Gaines's role is moving forward. A scout is not enough in my opinion.

Almost all the draft picks he's suggested to Phil, that we end up making have turned out to be gold.

Porzingis may be the best player in his draft.
Frank is playing like a lottery rookie point guard already. Man that defense.
Willy's rookie season was great and his offense even in scattered minutes has been superb.

I also like Dotson, I think Dotson will become a good two way player eventually.

Just saying, I hope Perry is the one making trades, but when it comes to drafting, the person we need to listen to and be the main influence in making the final is Gaines. Phil made many mistakes, but his smartest move was to listen to Gaines and draft Porzingis, Willy, Frank. If we don't have Phil, then no Gaines, and no Porzingis, Frank or Willy. Think about what Mills would have done, or what Perry would have had he been the final decision maker for the draft.

Hope Dolan or Mills have the smarts to assign the draft decisions to Gaines. "Scout" is not enough, unless his scouting is the one that you make the final call on.

How do you know that he didn't suggest other picks that Phil rightfully discarded? You can't have it both ways. Phil hired Gaines and Phil selected KP, Willy, Frank and Dotson. Be fair.

Take away KP, Willy and Frank this teams longterm potential is trash.
If you don't draft well with your top choices you are screwed.

We are where we are now because we drafted well.

No GM or executive are always right on the draft.
But when you have someone like Gaines on the payroll he is a big time asset and you better be taking his word over other scouts.

Before Gaines was hired by Phil we drafted pretty poorly under Mills. I just hope Mills learned his lesson and follows the same path Phil and Gaines were on.

Take away Greak Freak and Middleton the bucks future is trash; who is their scout? KP is the main prize but he was sloted to be picked 4-7...Willy cant get off the bench and at this point Frank looks like a good role player....Gaines is good but can be replaced...

Willy might not fit here, but he definitely has value as a part of the All-Rookie first team. Same goes for Kuz, who had a good rookie season as well. Frank might just be a 6th man, too early to say IMO. Dont see Perry trading Frank. If he were, Frank would have trade value based on what we've seen so far. Gaines is giving us more options with his drafting than we've had in years. He's adding value.

Gaines supposedly ruffled some feathers when he got to the Knicks. If you came into a front office with a lot of yes men, who have done mostly nothing for this franchise, Im sure it wouldnt be hard to hit a sore spot with them.

In the end Gaines has done more for this franchise than those execs from previous regimes who mostly collected a paycheck. Judging by the way that Perry is cleaning house, he wasn't too impressed with them either.