EnySpree wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Kemet wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:Good minutes for Willy. Maybe he can get some more going ahead. I think they have to keep him involved.

We can't play 3 centers....

There have been some opportunities to get him some minutes IMO. Not saying we actually play him major rotation minutes. Just don't see why it has to be long stretches of DNP's.

I feel you but we have to draw the line in the sand. KOQ and Kanter have been great. Tonight it could have helped to go to Willy earlier in the game, but you don't want the 2 guys playing well to lose their edge because they think Willy is going to steal their minutes.

I think we could have won this game or made the score tight going down the final stretch of the game .. If coach Horn would have used a 10-Man rotation in the end of a back to back .. Horn played a 9 man rotation last night vs Hornets, today Horn played a 9 man rotation vs the Magic .. Horn psych need to be examine thoroughly for thinking Beasley could replace KP in the 9 man rotation .. WTF

So which one player would have made the ultimate difference?

We keep getting reminded of our weakness with every loss. We clearly need another player than can score 14-18 a game every night. A small fwd or some kind of swing man. It's a long sessdiin but there are options out there

Such as?

And even if they get that player, they're still gonna lose games. Hell I'd sign up for 1 outta every 2 right now.

All of our guards are fairly similar so maybe that's why they have interest in Burke who is at least a change of pace. I can see him eventually getting the call up to see if he can be that change of pace spark plug type. He's not a big time player of course but sometimes just giving teams a different look can help. A smaller quicker and shiftier PG that is a scoring threat could round out the team a bit.

nixluva wrote:Even with the improved play of Jack and Frank, most teams have us beat in terms of PG's that can break down a defense and score. We also are weak at SF in terms of a versatile scoring threat. Any improvements in these areas will have a significant impact.

All of our guards are fairly similar so maybe that's why they have interest in Burke who is at least a change of pace. I can see him eventually getting the call up to see if he can be that change of pace spark plug type. He's not a big time player of course but sometimes just giving teams a different look can help. A smaller quicker and shiftier PG that is a scoring threat could round out the team a bit.

I'm much more interested in having more scoring from positions other than PG. I think our point guards are giving us more than expected. Their most important jobs are managing the offense, distributing the ball and playing defense. They're doing those things better than any point guards we've had in recent history.

Frank will get better at scoring over time but I can wait, he's showing great potential running the team and playing defense.

meloshouldgo wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

nixluva wrote: Just don't see why it has to be long stretches of DNP's.

Defensively, you can't have Kanter and Hernangomez on the floor at the same time. I mean you can do it, but it will cost you badly.

And the Knicks need Kanter's offense right now.

This would and could be a massive opportunity for Beasley right now, except he's sort of a big dummy from a BBIQ standpoint.

They can't get any offense out of Kanter if they don't pass him the ball. The dude was shooting 100% from the floor and they stopped going to him. Mindboggling

Couldn't agree more. Completely mind boggling is right. Even with KP, Kanter should be established as a prime scoring threat in the post. That move he threw on Vucevic baseline last night -- he had Nic's head on a swivel. The skill, precision, footwork and finishing ability involved in Kanter's post work is really something to behold. I put this guy's post game right up there with Hakeem Olajuwon's -- that's how impressive it is. No way this guy gets only 5 shots a game or whatever. Establish him as a scoring threat!! I want 15 post attempts minimum. They're insane if they don't make this adjustment eventually.

EnySpree wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Kemet wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

nixluva wrote:Good minutes for Willy. Maybe he can get some more going ahead. I think they have to keep him involved.

We can't play 3 centers....

There have been some opportunities to get him some minutes IMO. Not saying we actually play him major rotation minutes. Just don't see why it has to be long stretches of DNP's.

I feel you but we have to draw the line in the sand. KOQ and Kanter have been great. Tonight it could have helped to go to Willy earlier in the game, but you don't want the 2 guys playing well to lose their edge because they think Willy is going to steal their minutes.

I think we could have won this game or made the score tight going down the final stretch of the game .. If coach Horn would have used a 10-Man rotation in the end of a back to back .. Horn played a 9 man rotation last night vs Hornets, today Horn played a 9 man rotation vs the Magic .. Horn psych need to be examine thoroughly for thinking Beasley could replace KP in the 9 man rotation .. WTF

So which one player would have made the ultimate difference?

We keep getting reminded of our weakness with every loss. We clearly need another player than can score 14-18 a game every night. A small fwd or some kind of swing man. It's a long sessdiin but there are options out there

Regroup, look at the tape and go get em Sat vs. the Kings

OldFan wrote:

nixluva wrote:Even with the improved play of Jack and Frank, most teams have us beat in terms of PG's that can break down a defense and score. We also are weak at SF in terms of a versatile scoring threat. Any improvements in these areas will have a significant impact.

All of our guards are fairly similar so maybe that's why they have interest in Burke who is at least a change of pace. I can see him eventually getting the call up to see if he can be that change of pace spark plug type. He's not a big time player of course but sometimes just giving teams a different look can help. A smaller quicker and shiftier PG that is a scoring threat could round out the team a bit.

I'm much more interested in having more scoring from positions other than PG. I think our point guards are giving us more than expected. Their most important jobs are managing the offense, distributing the ball and playing defense. They're doing those things better than any point guards we've had in recent history.

Frank will get better at scoring over time but I can wait, he's showing great potential running the team and playing defense.

Our PGs are shooting 35 to 39%. It's awfully hard to win NBA games like that.

MS wrote:I’m still confused how Beasley gets minutes over Willy. The guy doesn’t do one thing well and that includes score.

Willy certainly has defensive limitations, but offensively scores at will. And his ability to cut to the basket makes the guards jobs easier getting open 3 pointers and pick and roll opportunities. Not to mention he consistently draws fouls. Even if you get him 15 minutes a night he’s going to produce. We need to keep KP healthy.

? They play totally different positions. Center vs SF. One of Beasleys biggest problems is lack of an outside shot. A SF needs a consistent outside shot to open up the offense, keep the defense honest and open up drives when the defender comes out.

The main point is they run the offense and play defense. Which I think is more important for the PGs than scoring and more than we've gotten from our point guards in years.
Rose - could score, but did run the offense or play D.
Calderon - Tried to run the offense but could not score or play D.
Felton - Could not do much of anything.

We're over .500 getting no scoring from our starting 3 and inefficient scoring from our starting 2. If Lee can find a way to score and Timmy gets more efficient I think that's more important than getting scoring from the PGS.

Not saying they don't need to improve just that I'm happy with what we've gotten so far and I don't think the PG lack of scoring is our biggest problem. (And at least they aren't forcing it combined they take less then 10 shots per game.)