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Ira
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11/7/2017  10:15 PM
He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.
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11/7/2017  10:18 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2017  10:18 PM
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.

right substitutions and sticking with what's working. as opposed to woodson-esque...lets play melo coz he's the perennial all star and will pout if you don't play him.

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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11/7/2017  10:18 PM
pretty sure if hornacek benched KP if he was having a bad night, KP wouldn't even blink.
Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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11/7/2017  10:25 PM
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.
i have always liked jeff as a coach. Making good adjustments and nor panicking even when we are down big
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11/7/2017  10:26 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.

right substitutions and sticking with what's working. as opposed to woodson-esque...lets play melo coz he's the perennial all star and will pout if you don't play him.

Yup yup. There's a reason Woodson never found another head coaching gig, it's because he can't coach worth a damn. On the other hand the people who were adding for Jeff to be fired are looking pretty stupid now.

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11/7/2017  10:42 PM
Cartman718 wrote:
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.

right substitutions and sticking with what's working. as opposed to woodson-esque...lets play melo coz he's the perennial all star and will pout if you don't play him.

That has been the case with every coach when melo was here, and his teammates just relied on him so much.
These guys play really well together, and it just seems like everyone know their role..

JH, and obviously Rambis (and he doesn't have too many fans) have figured out some things

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11/7/2017  10:50 PM
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Cartman718 wrote:
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.

right substitutions and sticking with what's working. as opposed to woodson-esque...lets play melo coz he's the perennial all star and will pout if you don't play him.

That has been the case with every coach when melo was here, and his teammates just relied on him so much.
These guys play really well together, and it just seems like everyone know their role..

JH, and obviously Rambis (and he doesn't have too many fans) have figured out some things

HOR$ESHIT
Every coach not named Woodson tried to make Melo play in the flow of the offense and ended up getting either fired (MDA, Fisher) or pushed to the edge(Jeff) because Melo flat out refused to do anything even remotely close to team basketball.

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11/7/2017  11:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/7/2017  11:03 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.

right substitutions and sticking with what's working. as opposed to woodson-esque...lets play melo coz he's the perennial all star and will pout if you don't play him.

That has been the case with every coach when melo was here, and his teammates just relied on him so much.
These guys play really well together, and it just seems like everyone know their role..

JH, and obviously Rambis (and he doesn't have too many fans) have figured out some things

HOR$ESHIT
Every coach not named Woodson tried to make Melo play in the flow of the offense and ended up getting either fired (MDA, Fisher) or pushed to the edge(Jeff) because Melo flat out refused to do anything even remotely close to team basketball.

Who care's, your disdain for melo has been well documented, and so has my dislike for phils micro managing triangle obsessions.

They're both gone, and the coach seems free to play who he wants, when he wants, and whatever style he wants to run, and the players look happy no matter who's on the floor...(well except for kuz)

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11/8/2017  12:49 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Cartman718 wrote:
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.

right substitutions and sticking with what's working. as opposed to woodson-esque...lets play melo coz he's the perennial all star and will pout if you don't play him.

That has been the case with every coach when melo was here, and his teammates just relied on him so much.
These guys play really well together, and it just seems like everyone know their role..

JH, and obviously Rambis (and he doesn't have too many fans) have figured out some things

HOR$ESHIT
Every coach not named Woodson tried to make Melo play in the flow of the offense and ended up getting either fired (MDA, Fisher) or pushed to the edge(Jeff) because Melo flat out refused to do anything even remotely close to team basketball.

Who care's, your disdain for melo has been well documented, and so has my dislike for phils micro managing triangle obsessions.

They're both gone, and the coach seems free to play who he wants, when he wants, and whatever style he wants to run, and the players look happy no matter who's on the floor...(well except for kuz)

Jeff was trying to do the same things last year but DRose, Melo and Jennings were RESISTING. Jeff had more success with the younger players. Now people wanted Rambis gone but this year you can see the players responding and executing his defensive schemes. Jeff and Rambis were getting killed but now with a team that is giving Max Effort and Buying In you can see that they’re effective coaches after all.

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11/8/2017  12:56 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2017  12:56 AM
I like how Hornacek subbed out some of the the starters, and left Hardaway to stay on the floor and have a larger role in the offense. Hope he can do it from the 2 in the near future. Lee is no spring chicken. Bringing him off the bench, reducing his minutes a little, could pay off down the road. Either Thomas or McD look like they're ready to step in as starting 3.
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11/8/2017  8:06 AM
JEff is pushing the right buttons!
DJMUSIC: Fisher talked a good game in Post game but aside from that Derek Fisher was ALL CHIT CHAT SH_t and produced nothing!
Ira
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11/8/2017  8:15 AM
There are a number of players who are playing better than most of us expected. O'Quinn, Thomas,McDermott, Kanter - even KP are doing much better than they were expected to do before the season started. The coaching staff deserves some credit for this too.
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11/8/2017  8:43 AM
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.

+1. He is rewarding good play regardless of who he puts on the bench. He has been quick to bench guys if they dont play any defense and rewarded those that have. He has kept the offense pushing the pace and with constant moving. Every time down their are at least 3 or 4 screen and cuts. Right now it is the kind of team and offense anyone would want to put maximum effort for. That is the kind of system most players would want to play for. As for strategy, If you look at last night game, he made a key change by putting KP at the 5 and LT at the 4. Really put pressure on Howard and made a big difference in the comeback. Which he also did last against Indiana. Happy with his coaching so far. But then again, winning makes everything good. So hopefully we keep doing that.

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HofstraBBall wrote:
Ira wrote:He came up with the right combination of players on two consecutive games to mount consecutive impressive comebacks. Of course the players have to get it done on the court, but it helps when the hc shows good coaching mojo.

+1. He is rewarding good play regardless of who he puts on the bench. He has been quick to bench guys if they dont play any defense and rewarded those that have. He has kept the offense pushing the pace and with constant moving. Every time down their are at least 3 or 4 screen and cuts. Right now it is the kind of team and offense anyone would want to put maximum effort for. That is the kind of system most players would want to play for. As for strategy, If you look at last night game, he made a key change by putting KP at the 5 and LT at the 4. Really put pressure on Howard and made a big difference in the comeback. Which he also did last against Indiana. Happy with his coaching so far. But then again, winning makes everything good. So hopefully we keep doing that.

amen

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11/8/2017  9:07 AM
Horny does deserve credit. Let's rewind to being 0-3. I think he has a little bit of Eli Manning to him, that 'aww shucks' attitude. That has proven to be Eli's single greatest strength because the pressure never really gets to him. I think that is a great attribute to have with young players
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11/8/2017  3:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/8/2017  3:43 PM
His big decision was to settle on the Jack/Ntilikina tandem at PG. He put his kindred spirit relationship with Baker aside.

Our current PG rotation has been extremely unselfish and they make extra effort to get the rest of the players engaged. Gone are sequences where only 1 or 2 players would be involved in the offense. These guys make an extra effort to make sure everyone stays involved in the offense. Their teammates are more engaged and as a result, you're seeing more production out of our role players. Worth noting - Courtney Lee is having a career year as a distributor - averaging over 3 APG for the first time in his career. Passing becomes contagious. (I forgive KP and Kanter because they're shooting such high percentages - if you can shoot that well, never pass)

KP and Kanter are performing better than anyone would have imagined. After starting out the year thinking we only had 1 bonafide starter (KP) on the roster, well, now we have 2 starters. :) We only need one other position to play better than our opponents (PG/SG/SF) to have a better starting lineup on most nights. That's huge.

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technomaster wrote:His big decision was to settle on the Jack/Ntilikina tandem at PG. He put his kindred spirit relationship with Baker aside.

Our current PG rotation has been extremely unselfish and they make extra effort to get the rest of the players engaged. Gone are sequences where only 1 or 2 players would be involved in the offense. These guys make an extra effort to make sure everyone stays involved in the offense. Their teammates are more engaged and as a result, you're seeing more production out of our role players. Worth noting - Courtney Lee is having a career year as a distributor - averaging over 3 APG for the first time in his career. Passing becomes contagious. (I forgive KP and Kanter because they're shooting such high percentages - if you can shoot that well, never pass)

KP and Kanter are performing better than anyone would have imagined. After starting out the year thinking we only had 1 bonafide starter (KP) on the roster, well, now we have 2 starters. :) We only need one other position to play better than our opponents (PG/SG/SF) to have a better starting lineup on most nights. That's huge.

I think if Baker played better he would still be in. Baker was not making good passes, was struggling to take care of the ball and still cant hit shots. I think Baker simply played his way out of the rotation
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11/9/2017  10:34 AM
fishmike wrote:
technomaster wrote:His big decision was to settle on the Jack/Ntilikina tandem at PG. He put his kindred spirit relationship with Baker aside.

Our current PG rotation has been extremely unselfish and they make extra effort to get the rest of the players engaged. Gone are sequences where only 1 or 2 players would be involved in the offense. These guys make an extra effort to make sure everyone stays involved in the offense. Their teammates are more engaged and as a result, you're seeing more production out of our role players. Worth noting - Courtney Lee is having a career year as a distributor - averaging over 3 APG for the first time in his career. Passing becomes contagious. (I forgive KP and Kanter because they're shooting such high percentages - if you can shoot that well, never pass)

KP and Kanter are performing better than anyone would have imagined. After starting out the year thinking we only had 1 bonafide starter (KP) on the roster, well, now we have 2 starters. :) We only need one other position to play better than our opponents (PG/SG/SF) to have a better starting lineup on most nights. That's huge.

I think if Baker played better he would still be in. Baker was not making good passes, was struggling to take care of the ball and still cant hit shots. I think Baker simply played his way out of the rotation

This team appears to keep playing the guys that are playing well. If its injury to Kuz or Baker, then so beit. They sit. Team wins, the minutes are gone.
Don't mean for ever. Willy can be mad, but he has to see KOQ is playing his arse off and nobody saw Kanter as being a Knick and this effective!

Nalods take (Dammit, I can't resist) is this knick team is competitive for minutes and gone are huge contracts that created problems. Rose, Melo and (lessor degree) Jennings had different agendas. A young team is competing for minutes. Rose did not fit. Melo did not fit.

Moving forward we have Dougie takning Bea's minutes. Bea's has to play hard to get it back. This is a big component to the teams recent success. A competitive environment!!! Im going to guess that KP likes being a star and winning vs. being offended for Willy if traded. If they are good friends KP should want willy to get a chance to play!!! That's what friends do!
Noah is coming back. What we don't know is how has he looked in Practice and will it translate to on the court in a game. He might be a beast! If so, he might be tradable. At the same time this creates a problem for WIlly SHORT TERM (this season).
Its logical Perry will get offers for him or KOQ. What a nice problem to have, a slew of centers who are healthy and playing well!
Willy will get a chance. I don't know how or when.

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
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11/9/2017  10:54 AM
Nalod wrote:
fishmike wrote:
technomaster wrote:His big decision was to settle on the Jack/Ntilikina tandem at PG. He put his kindred spirit relationship with Baker aside.

Our current PG rotation has been extremely unselfish and they make extra effort to get the rest of the players engaged. Gone are sequences where only 1 or 2 players would be involved in the offense. These guys make an extra effort to make sure everyone stays involved in the offense. Their teammates are more engaged and as a result, you're seeing more production out of our role players. Worth noting - Courtney Lee is having a career year as a distributor - averaging over 3 APG for the first time in his career. Passing becomes contagious. (I forgive KP and Kanter because they're shooting such high percentages - if you can shoot that well, never pass)

KP and Kanter are performing better than anyone would have imagined. After starting out the year thinking we only had 1 bonafide starter (KP) on the roster, well, now we have 2 starters. :) We only need one other position to play better than our opponents (PG/SG/SF) to have a better starting lineup on most nights. That's huge.

I think if Baker played better he would still be in. Baker was not making good passes, was struggling to take care of the ball and still cant hit shots. I think Baker simply played his way out of the rotation

This team appears to keep playing the guys that are playing well. If its injury to Kuz or Baker, then so beit. They sit. Team wins, the minutes are gone.
Don't mean for ever. Willy can be mad, but he has to see KOQ is playing his arse off and nobody saw Kanter as being a Knick and this effective!

Nalods take (Dammit, I can't resist) is this knick team is competitive for minutes and gone are huge contracts that created problems. Rose, Melo and (lessor degree) Jennings had different agendas. A young team is competing for minutes. Rose did not fit. Melo did not fit.

Moving forward we have Dougie takning Bea's minutes. Bea's has to play hard to get it back. This is a big component to the teams recent success. A competitive environment!!! Im going to guess that KP likes being a star and winning vs. being offended for Willy if traded. If they are good friends KP should want willy to get a chance to play!!! That's what friends do!
Noah is coming back. What we don't know is how has he looked in Practice and will it translate to on the court in a game. He might be a beast! If so, he might be tradable. At the same time this creates a problem for WIlly SHORT TERM (this season).
Its logical Perry will get offers for him or KOQ. What a nice problem to have, a slew of centers who are healthy and playing well!
Willy will get a chance. I don't know how or when.

spot on with all of it.
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11/9/2017  11:45 AM
Lets give Perry some credit too....for off loading Melo and adding two serviceable players in Kanter and McDermott
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