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ekstarks94
Posts: 21011 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/5/2015 Member: #6104 |
11/7/2017 10:14 AM
I absolutely agree with this assessment....could not be captured/said better.
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fishmike
Posts: 53134 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
11/7/2017 1:07 PM
Knixkik wrote:sure. Is it sustainable? Looking at Kanter's career he appears to be worth paying starter money even if he's splitting mins with another player.fishmike wrote:Chandler wrote:Im open to a few possibilities. Trading Kanter is one of them. Its just about looking for areas to improve and much depends on how you value Willy. If you watched him this summer he looked like a center of the future who could man that spot for the next 10 years plus. We know he's a great rebounder, passer and scorer. Defense remains a question but like Kanter he's willing.fishmike wrote:yea spot on. I have argued since he's been here KP should be a 4 not a 5. If you pair him with Kanter you MUST put your most rugged guy on him or you will be consumed in the paint and on the boards. The key is good defense on the wings. You can expect to have KP and Kanter chasing penetrating guards all day. But we have seen when our wings are locking it down that this size becomes a true force. Let me put it this way... if given the choice and pushed to decide I would lock up Kanter now and figure it out later. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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SupremeCommander
Posts: 33785 Alba Posts: 35 Joined: 4/28/2006 Member: #1127 |
11/7/2017 1:10 PM
I think a lot of us were apprehensive about the pairing at first because we weren't convinced that KP would take huge strides defensively... which he has
Similarly, I don't think Kanter has been as poor as advertised defensively... I think he's improved his d, as well as his conditioning. In the past he's been asked to be the go-to-scorer on the second team. He isn't being asked to do that anymore and he probably has more to give on the defensive side I definitely would not have anticipated this pairing working, but it certainly is, and I would have no problem keeping this together. Some of the best advice I ever got in my life was 'don't question the blessings' and this falls into that bucket Sambakick wrote:
Gives a whole new meaning to "Jazz Hands"
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fishmike
Posts: 53134 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
11/7/2017 1:29 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I think a lot of us were apprehensive about the pairing at first because we weren't convinced that KP would take huge strides defensively... which he has dont put too much into this pairing. Much of KP and Kanter's improved defense is because Lee/THj/Jack/Frank/Lance/McD/etc have done a good job and are playing defense at full speed. I think its all about the wings. Build the perimeter defense and our size can clean up. Cant ask KP/Kanter/KOQ to be the defense. Its gotta start on the wings. When it does and the bigs are supporting it looks great. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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Chandler
Posts: 26011 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
11/7/2017 1:35 PM
TripleThreat wrote:Chandler wrote:I am convinced of the merits of this pairing. I agree with a lot of what you say 0-- and on the last point I guess it matters how great it was. :-) But it's also the case that great teams are just that, "teams" -- not assemblies of random pieces. there is a real synergy with Kanter and KP. Kanter is hiding some of KP's warts, and vice versa Celtics (who I respect but also hate) have been very good at hiding players warts and playing to their strengths. That's why I would never want to trade with the Celtics. You're getting someone in the hope that he'll play for you like he did for the c's and then when he arrives he plays for you just like he played for everyone else (except for the Cs --- IT comes to mind, perhaps Crowder too) (5)(5)
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fishmike
Posts: 53134 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
11/7/2017 1:56 PM
TripleThreat wrote:Chandler wrote:I am convinced of the merits of this pairing. So no consideration to fit, chemistry, team building or complimenting skill sets? Sorry dude but your approach is not sound. These are not values in an excel spreadsheet, they are humans working with other humans. First the goal is to acquire high impact talent. You dont win without players that can impose their will on their opponents. Then when you have some of that you start looking at ways to maximize its impact every night. To ensure it cant be schemed against. You see where I am going with this? KP is emerging as just such a player. What ensures the Knicks ability to capitalize on it nightly? Teams dont get to work in a vacuum. Knicks will have to decide if Kanter and other players make sense or not. Do they fit the style of play? The personnel? These are sensible factors and questions. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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LivingLegend
Posts: 23778 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 8/13/2007 Member: #1645 |
11/7/2017 1:59 PM
Agree with initial poster -- Kanter plays with so much energy/passion/effort/physicality that he is simply requiring a lot of attention -- plus he is doing dirty-work where KP can then use his tremendous size/athleticism to make the highlight type skill plays.
Kanter & KP -- are a nice match ===== Willy in no way shape or form would provide such a dynamic contrast to KP. |
nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
11/7/2017 2:42 PM
LivingLegend wrote:Agree with initial poster -- Kanter plays with so much energy/passion/effort/physicality that he is simply requiring a lot of attention -- plus he is doing dirty-work where KP can then use his tremendous size/athleticism to make the highlight type skill plays. Willy would still add something good next to KP IMO. It's just a little different. Willy has a little more developing to do, but his raw talent is still pretty darned high. He's a very good rebounder and post player. Sets excellent Picks. Is a very good Roll Man in PnR. Willy looks like he could be a good passer as well. Willy has the beginnings of a perimeter game. He has a High IQ as well. Kanter is just so darned PHYSICAL and a bit more mature than Willy so he's ready for a starting role. Willy needs to be groomed to provide a similar level of production. He's worth the effort of further development. |
Chandler
Posts: 26011 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
11/7/2017 2:48 PM
nixluva wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Agree with initial poster -- Kanter plays with so much energy/passion/effort/physicality that he is simply requiring a lot of attention -- plus he is doing dirty-work where KP can then use his tremendous size/athleticism to make the highlight type skill plays. Nix why wouldn't you want Willy as a 6th man then, to emphasize his offense Kanter is down low and freeing space for KP WIlly would be up high with the pick, and while that works for him or the guard, how does they create synergy with KP? (5)(5)
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