Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:All those advanced stats guys from ESPN are pretty silent now about the KP is a 5 argument?
Phil wanted him at 4. Built the team with him in mind at 4.
Mills was smart enough to follow. Perry is sharp.

Love that Porzingis finally figured out that his best shot was like Pau Gasol and Dirk in the mid range and post shooting over smalls vs waiting outside and trying to be Steph Curry.

It's great to see Porzingis develop. You see his mentality. He has that Kobe Bryant type of mindset. Lives eats and breathes basketball. Injuries can stop him. Nothing else. The man is on a mission and is a killer.

Stats that I saw indicated he should stay at the 4. What was being said on ESPN? Who said it?

Not sure who said it but it was said by some on bball podcasts when the Knick roster was being criticized. Too many 5's and the 5 is KP's best position down the road was the most common take. I think KP needs to play alongside a bruiser like Kanter or Rolo to be most effective.

Hmmm. That sounds more like conjecture than a statistical argument. I like how he looks next to Kanter and KOQ too so far. I'd like at least 25 games before really judging anything though.

It wasn't a statistical argument.

OK that's not what NYK was saying above though.

KP has varied offensive and defensive advantages against different players. He’s too young and his body and game are multifactorially changing such that past performance is not a powerful indicator of where his optimum eventually lies. It seems there is an underestimation of the effect of his fronctcort partner; currently, if he plays with Kanter, he plays at 4, whereas if he played with Draymond Green, he plays 5. In a neutral scenario, I agree he seems better at 4 for now, but future projections remain contingent on his 3 point shot and rebounding trajectories. Defensively, I continue to prefer his potential at the 5 as his strength improves.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:All those advanced stats guys from ESPN are pretty silent now about the KP is a 5 argument?
Phil wanted him at 4. Built the team with him in mind at 4.
Mills was smart enough to follow. Perry is sharp.

Love that Porzingis finally figured out that his best shot was like Pau Gasol and Dirk in the mid range and post shooting over smalls vs waiting outside and trying to be Steph Curry.

It's great to see Porzingis develop. You see his mentality. He has that Kobe Bryant type of mindset. Lives eats and breathes basketball. Injuries can stop him. Nothing else. The man is on a mission and is a killer.

Stats that I saw indicated he should stay at the 4. What was being said on ESPN? Who said it?

Not sure who said it but it was said by some on bball podcasts when the Knick roster was being criticized. Too many 5's and the 5 is KP's best position down the road was the most common take. I think KP needs to play alongside a bruiser like Kanter or Rolo to be most effective.

Hmmm. That sounds more like conjecture than a statistical argument. I like how he looks next to Kanter and KOQ too so far. I'd like at least 25 games before really judging anything though.

It wasn't a statistical argument.

OK that's not what NYK was saying above though.

KP looks to be following the Dirk path. You put a banger next to him to absorb all the contact and let KP be the Finesse player that he is. He'll have his time at the 5 but no need to force it.

Phil got attacked for suggesting to KP that he focus on getting closer to the basket and not just hoist a bunch of 3's. People took it the wrong way. Phil was right. KP can always take 3's but he needed to focus on his post game and shots near the basket. In the flow of an offense it really makes the team more efficient.

KP is punishing teams inside and it's messing up their defense. KP is up near 8 Free Throw Attempts this year. The more he plays the more Refs will give him respect on fouls. This style is perfect for KP and the Knicks cuz it's not letting teams off the hook. He's putting pressure on teams.

Panos wrote:All good, but why is a guy 7'3" tall shooting 46%, not great for a big man, and btw, the exact same shooting percentage as Melo who you all claim to be a low efficiency volume scorer.
For comparison, KAT is shooting 10% points higher, and also grabbing 3 more rebounds per game. So let's slow down with the "best in draft class" conclusions.
All said, it's good to see him stepping up as the first option.

Gudris wrote:

Panos wrote:All good, but why is a guy 7'3" tall shooting 46%, not great for a big man, and btw, the exact same shooting percentage as Melo who you all claim to be a low efficiency volume scorer.
For comparison, KAT is shooting 10% points higher, and also grabbing 3 more rebounds per game. So let's slow down with the "best in draft class" conclusions.
All said, it's good to see him stepping up as the first option.

KAT dont play defense, thats why they are loosers

100% true KAT is a awful defender. KP is becoming the supior player if draft was done over KP is no doubt taken number one.

codeunknown wrote:

Panos wrote:All good, but why is a guy 7'3" tall shooting 46%, not great for a big man, and btw, the exact same shooting percentage as Melo who you all claim to be a low efficiency volume scorer.
For comparison, KAT is shooting 10% points higher, and also grabbing 3 more rebounds per game. So let's slow down with the "best in draft class" conclusions.
All said, it's good to see him stepping up as the first option.

He's shooting 48.3%, with a TS% of 57.3%

Edit: Carmelo has never shot a TS% that high for a season.

And his efg% is 66th in the league.

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Oh that’s good.

codeunknown wrote:

Panos wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

Panos wrote:All good, but why is a guy 7'3" tall shooting 46%, not great for a big man, and btw, the exact same shooting percentage as Melo who you all claim to be a low efficiency volume scorer.
For comparison, KAT is shooting 10% points higher, and also grabbing 3 more rebounds per game. So let's slow down with the "best in draft class" conclusions.
All said, it's good to see him stepping up as the first option.

He's shooting 48.3%, with a TS% of 57.3%

Edit: Carmelo has never shot a TS% that high for a season.

I don't know where you got your number, but nba,com says his FG% is 46.8.

And his efg% is 66th in the league.

Nba.com is 1 game behind, check Basketball Reference to get the correct number. Efg% is a worse metric than TS% regarding points per possession which is ultimately what we are concerned with.

True Shooting percentage. 66th in the League.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/ts-percentage

nixluva wrote:

Panos wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

Panos wrote:All good, but why is a guy 7'3" tall shooting 46%, not great for a big man, and btw, the exact same shooting percentage as Melo who you all claim to be a low efficiency volume scorer.
For comparison, KAT is shooting 10% points higher, and also grabbing 3 more rebounds per game. So let's slow down with the "best in draft class" conclusions.
All said, it's good to see him stepping up as the first option.

He's shooting 48.3%, with a TS% of 57.3%

Edit: Carmelo has never shot a TS% that high for a season.

I don't know where you got your number, but nba,com says his FG% is 46.8.

And his efg% is 66th in the league.

Do you really need stats to see what kind of player KP is now? KAT is probably getting more dunks. KP is getting most of his from Mid Range and 3pt Range!

http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=204001
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626157

Yeah, and?
KP is 7'3". He should be getting high percentage shots.

Panos wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Panos wrote:

codeunknown wrote:

Panos wrote:All good, but why is a guy 7'3" tall shooting 46%, not great for a big man, and btw, the exact same shooting percentage as Melo who you all claim to be a low efficiency volume scorer.
For comparison, KAT is shooting 10% points higher, and also grabbing 3 more rebounds per game. So let's slow down with the "best in draft class" conclusions.
All said, it's good to see him stepping up as the first option.

He's shooting 48.3%, with a TS% of 57.3%

Edit: Carmelo has never shot a TS% that high for a season.

I don't know where you got your number, but nba,com says his FG% is 46.8.

And his efg% is 66th in the league.

Do you really need stats to see what kind of player KP is now? KAT is probably getting more dunks. KP is getting most of his from Mid Range and 3pt Range!

http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=204001
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626157

Yeah, and?
KP is 7'3". He should be getting high percentage shots.

He's 22, he's not an interior player and he won't be a finished product for several years.

Want his fg% to go up? Give it time. It'll be very clear when he's maxed out his abilities.

That certainly isn't now.

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyknickzingis wrote:All those advanced stats guys from ESPN are pretty silent now about the KP is a 5 argument?
Phil wanted him at 4. Built the team with him in mind at 4.
Mills was smart enough to follow. Perry is sharp.

Love that Porzingis finally figured out that his best shot was like Pau Gasol and Dirk in the mid range and post shooting over smalls vs waiting outside and trying to be Steph Curry.

It's great to see Porzingis develop. You see his mentality. He has that Kobe Bryant type of mindset. Lives eats and breathes basketball. Injuries can stop him. Nothing else. The man is on a mission and is a killer.

Stats that I saw indicated he should stay at the 4. What was being said on ESPN? Who said it?

Not sure who said it but it was said by some on bball podcasts when the Knick roster was being criticized. Too many 5's and the 5 is KP's best position down the road was the most common take. I think KP needs to play alongside a bruiser like Kanter or Rolo to be most effective.

Hmmm. That sounds more like conjecture than a statistical argument. I like how he looks next to Kanter and KOQ too so far. I'd like at least 25 games before really judging anything though.

It wasn't a statistical argument.

OK that's not what NYK was saying above though.

nixluva wrote:

Do you really need stats to see what kind of player KP is now? KAT is probably getting more dunks. KP is getting most of his from Mid Range and 3pt Range!

http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=204001
http://nbasavant.com/player.php?player_id=1626157

KP is only getting better and he’s not even fully developed physically.

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https://twitter.com/zjdiluzio/status/926873472470528000

Wow, even more posts ups than Towns, who has one of the best post games in the league. Impressed that KP has put in as much work, as he has in the paint this season. Thought there might be some progress, but not so much, so soon. Its clear it was a focus in the offseason.

Its good having Kanter on the team to encourage him to keep building on his progress in the paint. I believe their games are benefiting from being a tandem. KP is becoming a better post player, and Kanter is becoming a better defender.