Knixkik wrote:Seeing the numbers Kuzma is putting up, how did he fly under the radar? And how does this happen every year?

2017-Kuzma
2016-Brogdon
2015-Powell
2014-Jokic
2013-Gobert
2012-Draymond, Middleton, Crowder
2011-Jimmy Butler

We could go on, but the point is this happens every year and it becomes very obvious early on when a player was overlooked. We have actually drafted pretty well over the years, but we need to find these annual studs. That will be the key to this franchise taking the big steps each season.

I don't see how he was under the radar cause i'm not one that acts like i know who will be what in the NBA with these college kids when it's draft time but i was all about this kid during the time of that draft and was hoping the Knicks would draft him so if i saw the talent in this kid then there's no way these GM's couldn't see it.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Seeing the numbers Kuzma is putting up, how did he fly under the radar? And how does this happen every year?

2017-Kuzma
2016-Brogdon
2015-Powell
2014-Jokic
2013-Gobert
2012-Draymond, Middleton, Crowder
2011-Jimmy Butler

We could go on, but the point is this happens every year and it becomes very obvious early on when a player was overlooked. We have actually drafted pretty well over the years, but we need to find these annual studs. That will be the key to this franchise taking the big steps each season.

I don't see how he was under the radar cause i'm not one that acts like i know who will be what in the NBA with these college kids when it's draft time but i was all about this kid during the time of that draft and was hoping the Knicks would draft him so if i saw the talent in this kid then there's no way these GM's couldn't see it.

You may have been ontop of him, but his draft selection versus his production so far suggests he was badly underrated.

Knixkik wrote:Seeing the numbers Kuzma is putting up, how did he fly under the radar? And how does this happen every year?

2017-Kuzma
2016-Brogdon
2015-Powell
2014-Jokic
2013-Gobert
2012-Draymond, Middleton, Crowder
2011-Jimmy Butler

We could go on, but the point is this happens every year and it becomes very obvious early on when a player was overlooked. We have actually drafted pretty well over the years, but we need to find these annual studs. That will be the key to this franchise taking the big steps each season.

Because non of these guys came from NCAA powerhouse Kentucky, Duke and the like. NBA GMs will always go with the safe pick in the lottery.

Marv wrote:hopefully we'll be adding billy and dotson to this list.

H1AND1 wrote:Unfortunately there is no sure fire science to the draft. For whatever reason a bunch of teams passed on him and the lakers got lucky. It’s not like they had anything besides the info every other team possessed. Of course the Knicks need to hit on draft picks and I hope they do but it is a crapshoot in a lot of senses. Nobody, not even the best scouts and analytics people on the planet have a 100% track record when it comes to this stuff. Shaking a fist and saying the Knicks need to start picking stars with late and second round picks draft picks and diamonds in the rough is an impossibility unfortunately.

I would't sleep on the Dotson pick. The kid could turn out to be a steal in the draft as well. Coach needs to find him minutes.

Rookie wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Unfortunately there is no sure fire science to the draft. For whatever reason a bunch of teams passed on him and the lakers got lucky. It’s not like they had anything besides the info every other team possessed. Of course the Knicks need to hit on draft picks and I hope they do but it is a crapshoot in a lot of senses. Nobody, not even the best scouts and analytics people on the planet have a 100% track record when it comes to this stuff. Shaking a fist and saying the Knicks need to start picking stars with late and second round picks draft picks and diamonds in the rough is an impossibility unfortunately.

I would't sleep on the Dotson pick. The kid could turn out to be a steal in the draft as well. Coach needs to find him minutes.

Agreed but at whose expense? Court's playing very well. Hey man if it were up to me, as good as Court and KO are playing, I'd be playing and developing Willy and Dotson for the greater good of the team. Not what Jeff gonna do though. Not many coaches would do it like that, I understand. Hard to argue with the early success, I get it..

Marv wrote:hopefully we'll be adding billy and dotson to this list.

Knixkik wrote:Seeing the numbers Kuzma is putting up, how did he fly under the radar? And how does this happen every year?

A) Age profile coming out of the draft. Older players SHOULD do very well against non NBA grade competition in things like Summer League. This is where I think a lot of fans miss the boat in terms of production. They think - This guy is awesome in Summer League/PreSeason, it should mean something. Well if the guy has more experience playing and his body is more developed because he's a little older, and his skill set is a little more refined by way of time, then he should naturally be dominating lower levels of competition.

B) Despite his length, he would never be a pivot, would never offer rim protection, would only profile out as a Power Forward and his shooting profile did not indicate he'd ever hit the three point shot at an effective enough rate to be a true Stretch 4. If you can't space the floor as a non pivot big, then you are sort of in no mans land in terms of utility. He's shooting well now, but his track record could indicate that it's possible that it's not sustainable over time.

He's a really nifty passer and has pretty good court vision. He plays to his strengths and has a good solid motor. He's got a lot of nice attributes.

Occasionally, and it's not too often, a guy's skill set is more suited to the pro game than the college game. Also some guys are more fortunate with their developmental timing, the extra time in college actually helped them develop to survive the pros.

He's playing with real confidence, which is huge, but his long term shooting record might indicate that he'll be a multi-stretch streak type shooter over time. It's really not a great idea to tout a player too early, if a guy is still burning hot after the league has made adjustments and the player is forced to make counter adjustments in kind, then you have a clearer view of his skill set.