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Uptown
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11/1/2017  8:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2017  9:04 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
fwk00 wrote:The architect of this team is Phil Jackson.

He succeeded is an accelerated rebuild (3 years instead of 5).

The core of this team is Phil's from front office down. He left the team in a position to be serious contenders who may parallel the Yankees surprise season.

And yes Rambis deserves credit here too (not that he's the only one).

Flushing Melo was F'n genius on Phil's part.

No way we play like this with the triangle employed.

There is a lot more evidence that the pieces in place are making the difference over the offense. Since we still run triangle principals. Our offense doesn't look that much different. KP is just on another level then he was the yr prior. And we have PGs that do all the little things which is the opposite of last yr sand Baker. Our defensive effort is way higher. We have players competing for playing time at almost every position. Kanter doesn't play D he gets pulled for KOQ who has Willy waiting for his opportunity. Hardaway,Lee,Dougie,Beas any one of them are struggling then the next guy is ready to try and take those mins. Sessions and Baker just got beat out by Jack and Frank.

Disagree slightly...We are not running triangle stuff at all...We run alot more motion; off the ball screens on the weakside, drag screens. I've seen some 1-4 sets with high pick and rolls, weave action, Horns, and even some individual plays in particular players, specifically McBuckets who they ran off a double screen off the baseline similar to what the Cavs and Hawks ran for Korver.

Agreed with everything else...we are pushing the ball more, defensive intesity is up, and player movement has picked up...We are not standing around as much as we did last year.

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11/1/2017  8:46 PM
Chandler wrote:the Knicks playing with this much energy and guts?

Horny?
KP?
Veteran leadership from Lee and dare I say THJ?
JJ?

coach first coach first coach first

Nixluva is posting triangle screen grabs, even when nobody asks - Fishmike. LOL So are we going to reference that thread like the bible now? "The thread of Wroten Page 14 post 9" - EnySpree
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11/1/2017  8:48 PM
Chandler wrote:the Knicks playing with this much energy and guts?

Horny?
KP?
Veteran leadership from Lee and dare I say THJ?
JJ?


No triangle helps too
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11/1/2017  9:28 PM
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
fwk00 wrote:The architect of this team is Phil Jackson.

He succeeded is an accelerated rebuild (3 years instead of 5).

The core of this team is Phil's from front office down. He left the team in a position to be serious contenders who may parallel the Yankees surprise season.

And yes Rambis deserves credit here too (not that he's the only one).

Flushing Melo was F'n genius on Phil's part.

No way we play like this with the triangle employed.

There is a lot more evidence that the pieces in place are making the difference over the offense. Since we still run triangle principals. Our offense doesn't look that much different. KP is just on another level then he was the yr prior. And we have PGs that do all the little things which is the opposite of last yr sand Baker. Our defensive effort is way higher. We have players competing for playing time at almost every position. Kanter doesn't play D he gets pulled for KOQ who has Willy waiting for his opportunity. Hardaway,Lee,Dougie,Beas any one of them are struggling then the next guy is ready to try and take those mins. Sessions and Baker just got beat out by Jack and Frank.

Disagree slightly...We are not running triangle stuff at all...We run alot more motion; off the ball screens on the weakside, drag screens. I've seen some 1-4 sets with high pick and rolls, weave action, Horns, and even some individual plays in particular players, specifically McBuckets who they ran off a double screen off the baseline similar to what the Cavs and Hawks ran for Korver.

Agreed with everything else...we are pushing the ball more, defensive intesity is up, and player movement has picked up...We are not standing around as much as we did last year.

Hornacek was brought in to modernize the Triangle. To use his brain to get best of both worlds. Rose was a gamble taken with the hope that Jeffs modern triangle and Rose talents could merge. And when that experiment failed that's when we got the quote about him learning his lesson about going after the guy that can jump out of a gym over a guy with higher IQ. The million dollar question is. Was it the pieces in place at the time causing the confusion and forcing a more stagnant offense. Or was it the triangle offense. Our Ex Prez stated multiple times that people have been way too caught up in the triangle and that he wanted system basketball with ball and player movement. There is nothing during the last 3 games that our Ex Prez of bball would have been opposed to in terms of philosophy.

Triangle was always a cop out.

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11/1/2017  10:17 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
fwk00 wrote:The architect of this team is Phil Jackson.

He succeeded is an accelerated rebuild (3 years instead of 5).

The core of this team is Phil's from front office down. He left the team in a position to be serious contenders who may parallel the Yankees surprise season.

And yes Rambis deserves credit here too (not that he's the only one).

Flushing Melo was F'n genius on Phil's part.

No way we play like this with the triangle employed.

There is a lot more evidence that the pieces in place are making the difference over the offense. Since we still run triangle principals. Our offense doesn't look that much different. KP is just on another level then he was the yr prior. And we have PGs that do all the little things which is the opposite of last yr sand Baker. Our defensive effort is way higher. We have players competing for playing time at almost every position. Kanter doesn't play D he gets pulled for KOQ who has Willy waiting for his opportunity. Hardaway,Lee,Dougie,Beas any one of them are struggling then the next guy is ready to try and take those mins. Sessions and Baker just got beat out by Jack and Frank.

Disagree slightly...We are not running triangle stuff at all...We run alot more motion; off the ball screens on the weakside, drag screens. I've seen some 1-4 sets with high pick and rolls, weave action, Horns, and even some individual plays in particular players, specifically McBuckets who they ran off a double screen off the baseline similar to what the Cavs and Hawks ran for Korver.

Agreed with everything else...we are pushing the ball more, defensive intesity is up, and player movement has picked up...We are not standing around as much as we did last year.

Hornacek was brought in to modernize the Triangle. To use his brain to get best of both worlds. Rose was a gamble taken with the hope that Jeffs modern triangle and Rose talents could merge. And when that experiment failed that's when we got the quote about him learning his lesson about going after the guy that can jump out of a gym over a guy with higher IQ. The million dollar question is. Was it the pieces in place at the time causing the confusion and forcing a more stagnant offense. Or was it the triangle offense. Our Ex Prez stated multiple times that people have been way too caught up in the triangle and that he wanted system basketball with ball and player movement. There is nothing during the last 3 games that our Ex Prez of bball would have been opposed to in terms of philosophy.

Triangle was always a cop out.

A lot of double speak from phil...yes, he wanted ball movement but he also wanted his triangle...

Knicks president Phil Jackson was back on the court Thursday, coaching the guards on options they can run out of the triangle offense.
Never liked the idea of the prez stepping on the court, undermining his coach. I remember there was a report that some of the players were upset with Jeff for adjusting the offense during December I believe....Either, I'm glad he's gone...

https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-held-triangle-session-with-knicks-guards-1.13241373

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11/1/2017  10:39 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/1/2017  10:40 PM
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
fwk00 wrote:The architect of this team is Phil Jackson.

He succeeded is an accelerated rebuild (3 years instead of 5).

The core of this team is Phil's from front office down. He left the team in a position to be serious contenders who may parallel the Yankees surprise season.

And yes Rambis deserves credit here too (not that he's the only one).

Flushing Melo was F'n genius on Phil's part.

No way we play like this with the triangle employed.

There is a lot more evidence that the pieces in place are making the difference over the offense. Since we still run triangle principals. Our offense doesn't look that much different. KP is just on another level then he was the yr prior. And we have PGs that do all the little things which is the opposite of last yr sand Baker. Our defensive effort is way higher. We have players competing for playing time at almost every position. Kanter doesn't play D he gets pulled for KOQ who has Willy waiting for his opportunity. Hardaway,Lee,Dougie,Beas any one of them are struggling then the next guy is ready to try and take those mins. Sessions and Baker just got beat out by Jack and Frank.

Disagree slightly...We are not running triangle stuff at all...We run alot more motion; off the ball screens on the weakside, drag screens. I've seen some 1-4 sets with high pick and rolls, weave action, Horns, and even some individual plays in particular players, specifically McBuckets who they ran off a double screen off the baseline similar to what the Cavs and Hawks ran for Korver.

Agreed with everything else...we are pushing the ball more, defensive intesity is up, and player movement has picked up...We are not standing around as much as we did last year.

Hornacek was brought in to modernize the Triangle. To use his brain to get best of both worlds. Rose was a gamble taken with the hope that Jeffs modern triangle and Rose talents could merge. And when that experiment failed that's when we got the quote about him learning his lesson about going after the guy that can jump out of a gym over a guy with higher IQ. The million dollar question is. Was it the pieces in place at the time causing the confusion and forcing a more stagnant offense. Or was it the triangle offense. Our Ex Prez stated multiple times that people have been way too caught up in the triangle and that he wanted system basketball with ball and player movement. There is nothing during the last 3 games that our Ex Prez of bball would have been opposed to in terms of philosophy.

Triangle was always a cop out.

A lot of double speak from phil...yes, he wanted ball movement but he also wanted his triangle...

Knicks president Phil Jackson was back on the court Thursday, coaching the guards on options they can run out of the triangle offense.
Never liked the idea of the prez stepping on the court, undermining his coach. I remember there was a report that some of the players were upset with Jeff for adjusting the offense during December I believe....Either, I'm glad he's gone...

https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-held-triangle-session-with-knicks-guards-1.13241373

Prefer to go by Jeff's own words than anything the media members tries to tell me.

The main point is that wasn't about drag screens or 1-4 sets. The principals being battled over was do we give just give Rose the ball and live and die by his decisions. Do we give Melo the ball and live and die by his decisions. Or do we run system ball looking to get everyone to follow a system.

But thinking about it. All that is over now. Rather not go back to discussing all that again. Focus on the new season with new players.

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11/2/2017  9:48 AM    LAST EDITED: 11/2/2017  10:03 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
Uptown wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
ekstarks94 wrote:
fwk00 wrote:The architect of this team is Phil Jackson.

He succeeded is an accelerated rebuild (3 years instead of 5).

The core of this team is Phil's from front office down. He left the team in a position to be serious contenders who may parallel the Yankees surprise season.

And yes Rambis deserves credit here too (not that he's the only one).

Flushing Melo was F'n genius on Phil's part.

No way we play like this with the triangle employed.

There is a lot more evidence that the pieces in place are making the difference over the offense. Since we still run triangle principals. Our offense doesn't look that much different. KP is just on another level then he was the yr prior. And we have PGs that do all the little things which is the opposite of last yr sand Baker. Our defensive effort is way higher. We have players competing for playing time at almost every position. Kanter doesn't play D he gets pulled for KOQ who has Willy waiting for his opportunity. Hardaway,Lee,Dougie,Beas any one of them are struggling then the next guy is ready to try and take those mins. Sessions and Baker just got beat out by Jack and Frank.

Disagree slightly...We are not running triangle stuff at all...We run alot more motion; off the ball screens on the weakside, drag screens. I've seen some 1-4 sets with high pick and rolls, weave action, Horns, and even some individual plays in particular players, specifically McBuckets who they ran off a double screen off the baseline similar to what the Cavs and Hawks ran for Korver.

Agreed with everything else...we are pushing the ball more, defensive intesity is up, and player movement has picked up...We are not standing around as much as we did last year.

Hornacek was brought in to modernize the Triangle. To use his brain to get best of both worlds. Rose was a gamble taken with the hope that Jeffs modern triangle and Rose talents could merge. And when that experiment failed that's when we got the quote about him learning his lesson about going after the guy that can jump out of a gym over a guy with higher IQ. The million dollar question is. Was it the pieces in place at the time causing the confusion and forcing a more stagnant offense. Or was it the triangle offense. Our Ex Prez stated multiple times that people have been way too caught up in the triangle and that he wanted system basketball with ball and player movement. There is nothing during the last 3 games that our Ex Prez of bball would have been opposed to in terms of philosophy.

Triangle was always a cop out.

A lot of double speak from phil...yes, he wanted ball movement but he also wanted his triangle...

Knicks president Phil Jackson was back on the court Thursday, coaching the guards on options they can run out of the triangle offense.
Never liked the idea of the prez stepping on the court, undermining his coach. I remember there was a report that some of the players were upset with Jeff for adjusting the offense during December I believe....Either, I'm glad he's gone...

https://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/knicks/phil-jackson-held-triangle-session-with-knicks-guards-1.13241373

Prefer to go by Jeff's own words than anything the media members tries to tell me.

The main point is that wasn't about drag screens or 1-4 sets. The principals being battled over was do we give just give Rose the ball and live and die by his decisions. Do we give Melo the ball and live and die by his decisions. Or do we run system ball looking to get everyone to follow a system.

But thinking about it. All that is over now. Rather not go back to discussing all that again. Focus on the new season with new players.

If phil really wanted to run a "ball movement system" why pair Rose, a ball dominant player with Melo, another ball dominant player? That was an assinine decision....but I digress....I do agree that we should focus on our new players and team.

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