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fishmike
Posts: 53134 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
10/25/2017 4:27 PM
BRIGGS wrote:does suggesting that people would "rather pay for Noah and Lee" who obviously didnt and dont, make your argument sound better? What does that have to do with anything? Bad hip? On a guy who's whole game is based on being shifty? Doesnt it tell you what you need to know after Ainge traded him? He made that trade because he didnt want to resign IT. Bottom line.TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:To me its a no brianer IF and its IF If hes healthy--as in passes any and all MD tests in every way---Id give I Thomas his 4 years 108mm. 25-27mm spent on a winner and leader like that for the next 4 years is so far superior to the idiotic money weve spent on Noah Lee Baker Thomas THJ and Lee (sounds like Im saying Eisley Andersen etc...) "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
10/25/2017 4:33 PM
BRIGGS wrote:I said IF hes healthy. https://hardwoodhoudini.com/2017/07/19/trying-to-predict-how-isaiahs-hip-will-recover/2/ There is simply not going to be enough sample size IMHO, even if he plays half a season plus the playoffs, to make that kind of determination, not on a max four year deal. I get your point "What Else Is Out There?" but I'll keep making mine - He's Available For A Reason. The Knicks are simply not in a good position to take this kind of risk. Noah and Thomas' contracts are ugly. Lee's look to get ugly real soon. Hardaway Jrs isn't showing great returns but that might change a bit in time. If the Knicks had a completely clean cap sheet, I'd say, OK, maybe this team can absorb on potentially bad deal and work around it, but a swing and a miss on IT2 would cripple this team for the next three years. He was the last pick in the 2nd round of his draft. PG help is everywhere out there, it's not always simple, but it's not completely scarce. Knicks are better off trying to find the next guy, the IT3 on the horizon. |
BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
10/25/2017 4:35 PM
fishmike wrote:BRIGGS wrote:does suggesting that people would "rather pay for Noah and Lee" who obviously didnt and dont, make your argument sound better? What does that have to do with anything? Bad hip? On a guy who's whole game is based on being shifty? Doesnt it tell you what you need to know after Ainge traded him? He made that trade because he didnt want to resign IT. Bottom line.TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:To me its a no brianer IF and its IF If hes healthy--as in passes any and all MD tests in every way---Id give I Thomas his 4 years 108mm. 25-27mm spent on a winner and leader like that for the next 4 years is so far superior to the idiotic money weve spent on Noah Lee Baker Thomas THJ and Lee (sounds like Im saying Eisley Andersen etc...) No argument--IF I Thomas is healthy--hes the only super star we remotely have a chance at position of need. He took a very incomplete team to the best record and ECF--now add the right players around him. IF I CAN--and we WILL get a top 3 pick --if I can---and Willy's play takes off---I think there is an avenue to totally reconstruct our wing with athletic skill players using the pick and trading Willy. You move KP to the 5--you add in your new wings--move frank to the 2 for his defense and IT at the 1 guard. RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
10/25/2017 4:38 PM LAST EDITED: 10/25/2017 4:43 PM
TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:I said IF hes healthy. If the guy is back playing great--goes through MD approval--thats all I need to know. All of these guys have injuries. These names you say Lee Noah THJ--their back ups or has beens. Id rather spend my 25mm on I Thomas---there inherent risk on every contract. RIP Crushalot😞
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TripleThreat
Posts: 23106 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/24/2012 Member: #3997 |
10/25/2017 4:58 PM
BRIGGS wrote:All of these guys have injuries. These names you say Lee Noah THJ--their back ups or has beens. Id rather spend my 25mm on I Thomas---there inherent risk on every contract.
He is mentally tough. Which helps the Knicks zero if he's on the bench hobbling around because he's badly hurt all the time. If the Knicks can get him on a "Prove It" short term ( one or two years, or one year plus a team option) value contract with a moderate AAV, then sure, he's an interesting bet. But that's not going to happen. He's going to want a max four year deal. And if he has to settle for less money, he'll do so on a contender, not the Knicks. The only way the Knicks get him is with a gross market overpay, in which case, he represents high risk/low reward and questionable value. Briggs, you love this team completely. It's the only thing you and I will ever likely agree on here. But what you are asking is for a team that has tried again and again to bet on the exception to the rule, to take a bad bet, hoping for the exception to the rule, when the rule exists for a reason in the first place. Steve Nash going to the Suns from Dallas wasn't a great bet in some ways for Phoenix. But it ended up massively great for the Suns. They got a franchise player and gave up nothing to get him except cap space. But the problem is it doesn't change the variables that the odds were stacked against them. There are exceptions to every rule. But the rule exists for a reason. The Knicks just are not in a leverage situation to take this kind of risk. In every instance a team has to talk itself into a player, it's usually a bad decision. Hawks talked their way into giving Joe Johnson a massive deal. Bucks talked their way into giving Greg Monroe a good chunk of cash. Lakers talk themselves into Deng and Mozgov. Yes, I realize we are not talking the impact of an IT2, but there are some serious red flags you aren't even starting to address here. |
Chandler
Posts: 26011 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
10/25/2017 5:00 PM
TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:To me its a no brianer IF and its IF If hes healthy--as in passes any and all MD tests in every way---Id give I Thomas his 4 years 108mm. 25-27mm spent on a winner and leader like that for the next 4 years is so far superior to the idiotic money weve spent on Noah Lee Baker Thomas THJ and Lee (sounds like Im saying Eisley Andersen etc...)
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
10/25/2017 5:35 PM
Chandler wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:To me its a no brianer IF and its IF If hes healthy--as in passes any and all MD tests in every way---Id give I Thomas his 4 years 108mm. 25-27mm spent on a winner and leader like that for the next 4 years is so far superior to the idiotic money weve spent on Noah Lee Baker Thomas THJ and Lee (sounds like Im saying Eisley Andersen etc...) Yeah the two years he was with the Cs they avg 50+ wins--we dont need a loser like that! ECF we havent had a player lead us to the ECF in 20 years. And Boston wasnt even that good! If hes healthy--hes a no brainer! RIP Crushalot😞
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Chandler
Posts: 26011 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 11/26/2015 Member: #6197 |
10/25/2017 8:47 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Chandler wrote:TripleThreat wrote:BRIGGS wrote:To me its a no brianer IF and its IF If hes healthy--as in passes any and all MD tests in every way---Id give I Thomas his 4 years 108mm. 25-27mm spent on a winner and leader like that for the next 4 years is so far superior to the idiotic money weve spent on Noah Lee Baker Thomas THJ and Lee (sounds like Im saying Eisley Andersen etc...) He was effective for them then. Does not mean he’s good for us now He’s not some instant fix even if healthy and younger The celts didn’t want to pay him and they knew he could work in their system (5)(5)
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