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Nalod
Posts: 68624 Alba Posts: 154 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
10/24/2017 10:48 AM
In 1997 after firing Don Nelson in fear ewing would leave, we resigned Patrick at Age 35 to a 4 year contract at top money at the time!!
http://articles.latimes.com/1997/jul/03/sports/sp-9386 Say what you want about Riley leaving, JVG, etc etc but this short term stupidity catering to Ewings massive ego was plain ignorant and doomed the team for years. Nelson and Grunfeld saw the end of the smash mouth "Badboy" era and sought to build a team to run. Instead we catered to Ewings demand we hire his advocate in JVG who preached a game that allowed Ewing to be the centerpiece of the offense and thus ensured he'd resign at new contract at the end of the season. Age 35 with bad knees. For all the past mistakes one must recognize not the process but the outcome even of recent events: We moved Melo while he he still had value and rebuilding without a bonafide brand starphuch name to headline!!! KP is still only 22! Is this not different than anything we have ever done since 1985? 1. Layden was a neophyte and could not operate without Dolan's interference. Neophyte execs don't decide on $100million contracts such as Dice's. Dolans infatuation with Vin Baker in this era. Scott Perry is not from the Popovich school (who himself was born from Larry Browns rib and from his "Tree) but brings a rational approach. Not a neophyte because Dolan is not in the process anymore. MIlls is the president and while we still have the taint of AnuchaGate, lets not forget Mills was a sort of Neophyte executive who catered to Dolan. It stands to reason that upon he returned he negotiated his terms and its logical he asked for autonomy to some extent before coming back. This is just my opinion. Knicks have turned the corner. Does that mean we are on the rise yet? Not sure. Does that mean was are insulated from stupidity or taking risks? Not really. But we seem to have a plan for youth and willingness from ownership to be patient. Some fans like having a stick up their asses. They complain about it over and over but at the end of the day they don't take it out. Nalod was very disappointed in Phil. I was hopeful he would be the figurehead of a great knick renaissance. I bought into the Starphuch and the Zen powers. |
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Welpee
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/22/2016 Member: #6239 |
10/24/2017 4:34 PM
Nalod wrote:In 1997 after firing Don Nelson in fear ewing would leave, we resigned Patrick at Age 35 to a 4 year contract at top money at the time!!Yeah, Don Nelson wanted to have the offense run through Anthony Mason and put Ewing at the top of the key. Brilliant. Yeah, not handing the team over to Don Nelson really set the organization back. |
BigDaddyG
Posts: 37497 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
10/24/2017 4:50 PM
Welpee wrote:Nalod wrote:In 1997 after firing Don Nelson in fear ewing would leave, we resigned Patrick at Age 35 to a 4 year contract at top money at the time!!Yeah, Don Nelson wanted to have the offense run through Anthony Mason and put Ewing at the top of the key. Brilliant. Yeah, not handing the team over to Don Nelson really set the organization back. Didn't Don also want to trade Pat for Rony Seikaly and Sherman Douglas. I give Don points for his booze induced vision for the direction the team needed to go, but his handling of the roster he had was bad. It wasn't a coincidence that we started winning when Jeff took over. There are so many turning points in out cursed history that it's hard to just pick one or two. I do agree that Don Nelson was a bad choice. Blame falls on both sides with that move. We knew what we were getting and he knew what he was getting into. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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Caseloads
Posts: 27725 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/29/2001 Member: #41 |
10/24/2017 8:28 PM
Went downhill when we traded Ewing for trash. Now we are stuck with Tim Trashaway Jr
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Uptown
Posts: 30878 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
10/24/2017 9:01 PM
there you go Timm..take the ball to the basket...stop settling...
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Welpee
Posts: 23162 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/22/2016 Member: #6239 |
10/25/2017 10:12 AM LAST EDITED: 10/25/2017 10:12 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:Not to mention Dallas went to the NBA finals the year AFTER he left and his coaching tactics caused Chris Webber to bounce after only one year of dealing with him in Golden State. Though I do give him credit for drafting Dirk.Welpee wrote:Nalod wrote:In 1997 after firing Don Nelson in fear ewing would leave, we resigned Patrick at Age 35 to a 4 year contract at top money at the time!!Yeah, Don Nelson wanted to have the offense run through Anthony Mason and put Ewing at the top of the key. Brilliant. Yeah, not handing the team over to Don Nelson really set the organization back. |
fishmike
Posts: 53114 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
10/27/2017 1:33 PM
Welpee wrote:you guys have it wrong. Nelson wanted to trade Ewing for Shaq and he was spot on. Everyone knew Shaq was leaving for a big market (LA). Nelson said they would never get a better offer than Ewing and Knicks could pay Shaq. Ewing learned about that and it poisoned the lockerroom ending in Nelson's firing. It wasnt quite as simple as Don wanting to run the offense through Mason.BigDaddyG wrote:Not to mention Dallas went to the NBA finals the year AFTER he left and his coaching tactics caused Chris Webber to bounce after only one year of dealing with him in Golden State. Though I do give him credit for drafting Dirk.Welpee wrote:Nalod wrote:In 1997 after firing Don Nelson in fear ewing would leave, we resigned Patrick at Age 35 to a 4 year contract at top money at the time!!Yeah, Don Nelson wanted to have the offense run through Anthony Mason and put Ewing at the top of the key. Brilliant. Yeah, not handing the team over to Don Nelson really set the organization back. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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