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10/26/2017  7:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/26/2017  7:12 PM
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fishmike wrote:Bledsoe is very good. He's only one guy but he's a difference maker on both sides. There are a lot of similarities to Bledsoe and Kyle Lowry. Bledsoe is a year older than Lowry the year he went to Toronto.
With this year and next at $16mm a year he would be a good fit if its the right deal. To me that means Kanter. No to Frank or Willy.

Lowry's an ultra efficient scorer (50/40/80% from 2, 3, and FT last year) with good passing skills. He helps his team win games. He's a legit all-star. Bledsoe isn't any of those things. I don't mind Bledsoe at 16 mil. It's an adequate deal. If we don't have to give up anything of long-term value, I'm OK with a trade but I doubt Phoenix would be. I'd rather get a late 1st round pick for KOQ than have KOQ as part of a Bledsoe trade though. We'd have to be giving up nothing of value for me to be OK with the trade and Phoenix wouldn't be then.

Lowry is a better player now than he was when Tor traded for him. Thats the point. He's 50/40/80 NOW. He was 43/37/80 THEN.

You look for buy low opportunities. If you want Lowery NOW you pay the NOW price. We are looking for discounts and players that can improve. Bledsoe brings a lot to the table including a willingness to defend and he's light years better than any other PG on the club, has a cost friendly contract and Im only offering a player who is stunting the growth of the #2 prospect on our team right now. Tell me again why this would be a bad trade?

If you are saying Kanter for Bledsoe with some filler to make it all match, that's a fantastic trade for the Knicks, except it's a horrible trade for the Suns. The Suns already have one of the worst defenses in the league, tripling down on a pivot who will opt in next and choke their cap doesn't seem like a good move, short term or long term.

No one wants Kanter unless its for an injured player or a dead contract. The Suns would be happy to take Kanter for Brandon Knight ( whom they are likely to stretch anyway, plus a small asset or two. But not Bledsoe.

Lee and a future first round pick might get it done, but the Suns would want limited protections on it. They'd also ask for Dotson.

Kanter has more value than you give him credit for unless you think Presti (traded for him AND matched Portland's offer sheet) doesnt know value in the league. Kanter is a nice fit.

That being said if the offer was Lee and Dotson then I would do that also. Im high on Dotson but would lose him to get younger. Lee has two more years. That helps us as well. I would do either.

Think in terms of value Kanter makes the most sense. But think it would take more than just Kanter. And isn't Kanter already what your claiming Bledsoe can be. A potential break out player that is still young. To me, maybe we get rid of some of the vets and average assets for more picks. And hope we keep adding young pieces that can develop into higher tier players. Isn't that why we got rid of Melo. To add 2 young fringe players and give them a chance? But now we are talking about moving on from them after 3 games? But agaun, if you can do Kanter for Bledsoe Eltham ok. Just don't see that happening.

I dont know how likely it is, but its what I would offer. If they say no they say no. Im not overpaying for a guy whos been banished from this team. There will be other opportunities.

And isn't Kanter already what your claiming Bledsoe can be. A potential break out player that is still young.
I like Kanter, like him alot. Its not about giving up on him. Its about balancing the roster and getting better. Better guard play will help the other guys on the floor. Moving Kanter opens up time for Willy.

We got rid of Melo because he didnt want to be here and showed that last year by posted career lows and not playing defense. Kanter was the best option and only deal that didnt involve taking a huge long ugly contract like Anderson back. If we flip Kanter and the Bulls pick for Bledsoe we essentially traded Melo for Bledsoe/McD and thats a coup.

I am not desperate here. Knicks shouldnt be either.

We got rid of Melo because he was too old. We only got what we did because of his NTC and Phil trashing his value and pissing him off to the point he only named one team he would waive the NTC to.

And good guard play is what We allegedly addressed in last year's draft but.....

I say Kanter is not the problem. As many years prior, fans like to focus on the wrong thing.

We need to get past contracts like Noah.
1)Need to trade KO and Lee. They are of no value to us. Get some more picks instead.
2)Need to move on from guys like Kuz and Mcbuckets.
3)Need to figure put if Frank is our PG. Or else trade for one that is or another shot at one in next year's draft.
4) Need to figure out if Timmy is worth what he is being paid and if we can fix his negative attitude and bad body language. Which i thought he got rid of in Atlanta.

All things that will take some time. But all more important than Kanter. Who again, is not sufficient for a Bledsoe trade. Imo

and thats ok! I agree... this is early stage rebuilding. We have one really good player in KP and who even knows how good he is. If we cant get Bledsoe for Kanter or some combo of KOQ/Lance and 2nd rounders then pass.

1) agree... but for once lets do so from a position of strength. Showcase them and get what value we can.
2) Not impressed with either myself. Im higher on McD but see his expiring deal as part of a deadline package. Kuz as well.
3) We might get surprised, but this will likely take a few years
4) Timmy just needs to have a good shooting game. He's an offensive player. Lets talk about this after 20 or 40 games. Not 3.

I dont think Kanter is a problem. I do think Bledsoe is good and improves the guard play in the short term which is also important for player development. Its really tough to learn to take good shots when your guards cant even get a good pass into the post.

Agree with all. Except for Frank needing 3 years for us/Knicks to see signs of things to come. Look at KP in first year.

We are back to where we started. Kanter straight up for Bledsoe. Great if possible. But highly unlikely, Imo. Get it done Perry! (Ofcourse I mean Mills)

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10/27/2017  8:57 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Bledsoe is very good. He's only one guy but he's a difference maker on both sides. There are a lot of similarities to Bledsoe and Kyle Lowry. Bledsoe is a year older than Lowry the year he went to Toronto.
With this year and next at $16mm a year he would be a good fit if its the right deal. To me that means Kanter. No to Frank or Willy.

Lowry's an ultra efficient scorer (50/40/80% from 2, 3, and FT last year) with good passing skills. He helps his team win games. He's a legit all-star. Bledsoe isn't any of those things. I don't mind Bledsoe at 16 mil. It's an adequate deal. If we don't have to give up anything of long-term value, I'm OK with a trade but I doubt Phoenix would be. I'd rather get a late 1st round pick for KOQ than have KOQ as part of a Bledsoe trade though. We'd have to be giving up nothing of value for me to be OK with the trade and Phoenix wouldn't be then.

Lowry is a better player now than he was when Tor traded for him. Thats the point. He's 50/40/80 NOW. He was 43/37/80 THEN.

You look for buy low opportunities. If you want Lowery NOW you pay the NOW price. We are looking for discounts and players that can improve. Bledsoe brings a lot to the table including a willingness to defend and he's light years better than any other PG on the club, has a cost friendly contract and Im only offering a player who is stunting the growth of the #2 prospect on our team right now. Tell me again why this would be a bad trade?

If you are saying Kanter for Bledsoe with some filler to make it all match, that's a fantastic trade for the Knicks, except it's a horrible trade for the Suns. The Suns already have one of the worst defenses in the league, tripling down on a pivot who will opt in next and choke their cap doesn't seem like a good move, short term or long term.

No one wants Kanter unless its for an injured player or a dead contract. The Suns would be happy to take Kanter for Brandon Knight ( whom they are likely to stretch anyway, plus a small asset or two. But not Bledsoe.

Lee and a future first round pick might get it done, but the Suns would want limited protections on it. They'd also ask for Dotson.

Kanter has more value than you give him credit for unless you think Presti (traded for him AND matched Portland's offer sheet) doesnt know value in the league. Kanter is a nice fit.

That being said if the offer was Lee and Dotson then I would do that also. Im high on Dotson but would lose him to get younger. Lee has two more years. That helps us as well. I would do either.

Think in terms of value Kanter makes the most sense. But think it would take more than just Kanter. And isn't Kanter already what your claiming Bledsoe can be. A potential break out player that is still young. To me, maybe we get rid of some of the vets and average assets for more picks. And hope we keep adding young pieces that can develop into higher tier players. Isn't that why we got rid of Melo. To add 2 young fringe players and give them a chance? But now we are talking about moving on from them after 3 games? But agaun, if you can do Kanter for Bledsoe Eltham ok. Just don't see that happening.

I dont know how likely it is, but its what I would offer. If they say no they say no. Im not overpaying for a guy whos been banished from this team. There will be other opportunities.

And isn't Kanter already what your claiming Bledsoe can be. A potential break out player that is still young.
I like Kanter, like him alot. Its not about giving up on him. Its about balancing the roster and getting better. Better guard play will help the other guys on the floor. Moving Kanter opens up time for Willy.

We got rid of Melo because he didnt want to be here and showed that last year by posted career lows and not playing defense. Kanter was the best option and only deal that didnt involve taking a huge long ugly contract like Anderson back. If we flip Kanter and the Bulls pick for Bledsoe we essentially traded Melo for Bledsoe/McD and thats a coup.

I am not desperate here. Knicks shouldnt be either.

We got rid of Melo because he was too old. We only got what we did because of his NTC and Phil trashing his value and pissing him off to the point he only named one team he would waive the NTC to.

And good guard play is what We allegedly addressed in last year's draft but.....

I say Kanter is not the problem. As many years prior, fans like to focus on the wrong thing.

We need to get past contracts like Noah.
1)Need to trade KO and Lee. They are of no value to us. Get some more picks instead.
2)Need to move on from guys like Kuz and Mcbuckets.
3)Need to figure put if Frank is our PG. Or else trade for one that is or another shot at one in next year's draft.
4) Need to figure out if Timmy is worth what he is being paid and if we can fix his negative attitude and bad body language. Which i thought he got rid of in Atlanta.

All things that will take some time. But all more important than Kanter. Who again, is not sufficient for a Bledsoe trade. Imo

and thats ok! I agree... this is early stage rebuilding. We have one really good player in KP and who even knows how good he is. If we cant get Bledsoe for Kanter or some combo of KOQ/Lance and 2nd rounders then pass.

1) agree... but for once lets do so from a position of strength. Showcase them and get what value we can.
2) Not impressed with either myself. Im higher on McD but see his expiring deal as part of a deadline package. Kuz as well.
3) We might get surprised, but this will likely take a few years
4) Timmy just needs to have a good shooting game. He's an offensive player. Lets talk about this after 20 or 40 games. Not 3.

I dont think Kanter is a problem. I do think Bledsoe is good and improves the guard play in the short term which is also important for player development. Its really tough to learn to take good shots when your guards cant even get a good pass into the post.

Agree with all. Except for Frank needing 3 years for us/Knicks to see signs of things to come. Look at KP in first year.

We are back to where we started. Kanter straight up for Bledsoe. Great if possible. But highly unlikely, Imo. Get it done Perry! (Ofcourse I mean Mills)

Your KP point is why I would be motivated to add Bledsoe. Look how good KP looked next to talented guys. Melo took any offensive pressure off him and Lopez and defensive pressure. The point is it was easier for KP and I think that helped accelerate his development. Thats my thought with Bledsoe. I would be nice see guys like Dotson/Frank/Baker next to real NBA guard talent. Bledsoe may not be Steph Curry but he's an impact player and light years better than Sessions or Jack.

We will see. Until some good trades happen its same old Knicks

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10/27/2017  9:46 AM
reub wrote:
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newyorknewyork wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:Bledsoe is very good. He's only one guy but he's a difference maker on both sides. There are a lot of similarities to Bledsoe and Kyle Lowry. Bledsoe is a year older than Lowry the year he went to Toronto.
With this year and next at $16mm a year he would be a good fit if its the right deal. To me that means Kanter. No to Frank or Willy.

Lowry's an ultra efficient scorer (50/40/80% from 2, 3, and FT last year) with good passing skills. He helps his team win games. He's a legit all-star. Bledsoe isn't any of those things. I don't mind Bledsoe at 16 mil. It's an adequate deal. If we don't have to give up anything of long-term value, I'm OK with a trade but I doubt Phoenix would be. I'd rather get a late 1st round pick for KOQ than have KOQ as part of a Bledsoe trade though. We'd have to be giving up nothing of value for me to be OK with the trade and Phoenix wouldn't be then.

Lowry is a better player now than he was when Tor traded for him. Thats the point. He's 50/40/80 NOW. He was 43/37/80 THEN.

You look for buy low opportunities. If you want Lowery NOW you pay the NOW price. We are looking for discounts and players that can improve. Bledsoe brings a lot to the table including a willingness to defend and he's light years better than any other PG on the club, has a cost friendly contract and Im only offering a player who is stunting the growth of the #2 prospect on our team right now. Tell me again why this would be a bad trade?

If you are saying Kanter for Bledsoe with some filler to make it all match, that's a fantastic trade for the Knicks, except it's a horrible trade for the Suns. The Suns already have one of the worst defenses in the league, tripling down on a pivot who will opt in next and choke their cap doesn't seem like a good move, short term or long term.

No one wants Kanter unless its for an injured player or a dead contract. The Suns would be happy to take Kanter for Brandon Knight ( whom they are likely to stretch anyway, plus a small asset or two. But not Bledsoe.

Lee and a future first round pick might get it done, but the Suns would want limited protections on it. They'd also ask for Dotson.

Kanter has more value than you give him credit for unless you think Presti (traded for him AND matched Portland's offer sheet) doesnt know value in the league. Kanter is a nice fit.

That being said if the offer was Lee and Dotson then I would do that also. Im high on Dotson but would lose him to get younger. Lee has two more years. That helps us as well. I would do either.

Think in terms of value Kanter makes the most sense. But think it would take more than just Kanter. And isn't Kanter already what your claiming Bledsoe can be. A potential break out player that is still young. To me, maybe we get rid of some of the vets and average assets for more picks. And hope we keep adding young pieces that can develop into higher tier players. Isn't that why we got rid of Melo. To add 2 young fringe players and give them a chance? But now we are talking about moving on from them after 3 games? But agaun, if you can do Kanter for Bledsoe Eltham ok. Just don't see that happening.

I dont know how likely it is, but its what I would offer. If they say no they say no. Im not overpaying for a guy whos been banished from this team. There will be other opportunities.

And isn't Kanter already what your claiming Bledsoe can be. A potential break out player that is still young.
I like Kanter, like him alot. Its not about giving up on him. Its about balancing the roster and getting better. Better guard play will help the other guys on the floor. Moving Kanter opens up time for Willy.

We got rid of Melo because he didnt want to be here and showed that last year by posted career lows and not playing defense. Kanter was the best option and only deal that didnt involve taking a huge long ugly contract like Anderson back. If we flip Kanter and the Bulls pick for Bledsoe we essentially traded Melo for Bledsoe/McD and thats a coup.

I am not desperate here. Knicks shouldnt be either.

We got rid of Melo because he was too old. We only got what we did because of his NTC and Phil trashing his value and pissing him off to the point he only named one team he would waive the NTC to.

And good guard play is what We allegedly addressed in last year's draft but.....

I say Kanter is not the problem. As many years prior, fans like to focus on the wrong thing.

We need to get past contracts like Noah.
Need to trade KO and Lee. They are of no value to us. Get some more picks instead.
Need to move on from guys like Kuz and Mcbuckets.
Need to figure put if Frank is our PG. Or else trade for one that is or another shot at one in next year's draft.
Need to figure out if Timmy is worth what he is being paid and if we can fix his negative attitude and bad body language. Which i thought he got rid of in Atlanta.

All things that will take some time. But all more important than Kanter. Who again, is not sufficient for a Bledsoe trade. Imo

Noah isn't going to be moved. We will have to stretch him when he enters his final yr.
KOQ will opt out. Maybe we can get a future 2nd rder for him.
If Lee could be moved he would have been moved already. The only hope really is to take a lesser player that has 2 yrs left and maybe a 2nd rder for his 3 yrs.
Dougie and Kuz all come off the books after the season.

Kanter in today's game is a 6th man on a winning team just like OKC used him for. Get strong per min production from him off the bench. We have Willy who can provide the same thing who is way cheaper. Most importantly Kanter is due a contract extension.

Would be better to get something for Kanter. Slide Willy in that role. Use the money saved on other needs.

Flip Kanter for Bledsoe straight up? According to ESPN trade machine it can be done immediately if there are no other players involved.

This makes sense for us. I don't believe that we can trade Kanter for about a month though.

With Jabari Parker and Jahlil Okafor out there (I can see Philly or Milwaukee offering either of those players for Bledsoe) I think Phoenix may have more attractive offers than Kanter.
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10/27/2017  9:51 AM
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Knickoftime wrote:I'm always careful not to confuse correlation with causation, but the optics don't look very good for Bledsoe right now.

They fired Watson, which is lost in all this. Probably not fair to single Bledsoe out after a game.


Rich Paul got Watson fired. Klutch Sports doesn't actually have a wide ranging client list. First of all, Rich Paul doesn't have the background of other super agents and heads of other agencies. You put in a room with Ben Dogra, Leon Rose, Tom Condon, those types, and Rich Paul should be parking the cars of those guys in some parking lot somewhere.

What agencies do when they can't get elite players is to get a niche of players or go after the coaching ranks.

Klutch Sports wants to infuse it's own coaches and players in high profile markets. One of the reasons Leon Rose took on Frank Ntilikina is he was long rumored to be the Knicks target, and he had one client in Melo going out of NY, so he wanted another entrenched in the franchise.

Bledsoe was the veteran voice there, even outshouting Tyson Chandler, and lead the revolt.

Rich Paul is just 50 shades of stupid. How dumb do you have to be to talk over an owner, in a meeting, watching videos on your cell phone, with LBJ, and trigger an entire labor war on your own?

Super Agents have to think about the next 10 years. The next 20 years. They can't just run everyone over all the time.

Rich Paul just wants to be Dirk Diggler as Brock Landers. He wants his name in lights. So sharp it cuts and glows. He needs to attention and swag. A dude who should be a parking lot attendant is a power player in the NBA machine. It's like a bad episode of Entourage. LBJ has inflicted this idiot onto the NBA. It's like LBJ basically gave the entire league herpes, and the cold sore's name is Rich Paul.

People think, with this much money and this much reach, these people just can be this stupid. Yes, folks, these people are this stupid. Then again, how stupid do you have to be to hire a 70 year old with no front office experience with established enemies all over the league, who loves to jab in the media and pushes a complicated and controversial offense onto a team?

I'm not saying Watson was the perfect coach here, but what is sad is it doesn't matter if you are good coach or a bad coach, you can't win against stupid. This is why Jerry Sloan left the game. This is why Coach K will never coach in the NBA.

Since you came on this board you have been way off in regards to trade value. - Briggs 7/28/2015
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