The rebuilding works when it's done right, and the bafoon we have in mills and this coaching staff, is laughable. I like some things that JH does, but the rest of his staff is utter garbage, and mills and perry giving jH orders on who to play and who not to play is a recipe for disaster.

We lost because we have no pg to control the pace of the game, couldn't defend the P&R again, and THJ and McDermott will suffer immensely without a pg to break down the defense and get them good looks..

knicks1248 wrote:A lot of you were rubbing your hands together, praying for a melo trade and this rebuilding through the draft BS, as if it was a bullet proof plan. losing get ppl fired, and sabotages plans

Yeah.

No.

I wanted the Knicks to trade Melo, I want the Knicks to build through the draft, and I know it's the farthest thing in the world from a bullet proof plan. This is professional sports, there are no bullet proof plans. However you go about it, building a good team is hard, requires luck, and at the end of the day is frankly unlikely, particularly in the NBA which has never been a parity league.

I advocate all these things well aware there's a good chance it may fail.

But your sophomoric rhetoric requires you mischaracterize and exaggerate views you don't agree with, which really means views you don't understand.

The rebuilding works when it's done right,

Ya think?

Man, why didn't I think of that??? [face palm]

and the bafoon we have in mills and this coaching staff, is laughable. I like some things that JH does, but the rest of his staff is utter garbage, and mills and perry giving jH orders on who to play and who not to play is a recipe for disaster.

We lost because we have no pg to control the pace of the game, couldn't defend the P&R again, and THJ and McDermott will suffer immensely without a pg to break down the defense and get them good looks.

That may or may not be true, but what you don't seem to realize is, if it is true, their approach is irrelevant, and you don't seem able to distinguish that. You're harping on their rebuilding approach for some odd reason, but if what you say is true it doesn't matter. They are going to fail whether or not they kept Melo. But you don't seem to realize that.

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:A lot of you were rubbing your hands together, praying for a melo trade and this rebuilding through the draft BS, as if it was a bullet proof plan. losing get ppl fired, and sabotages plans

The rebuilding works when it's done right, and the bafoon we have in mills and this coaching staff, is laughable. I like some things that JH does, but the rest of his staff is utter garbage, and mills and perry giving jH orders on who to play and who not to play is a recipe for disaster.

We lost because we have no pg to control the pace of the game, couldn't defend the P&R again, and THJ and McDermott will suffer immensely without a pg to break down the defense and get them good looks..

Dang man. You gotta give things a little time before calling it a failure or you will never get anything done. I don't like some of the things that is happening but I want to give them more than 2 games to get their **** together.

The first thing every team did this off season, was sure up their pG position, pgs were the first FA's off the board.

The only time we have had any kind of success was when the position was solidify...felton, Lin, Kidd. It was the first move PERRY made with the KINGs, drafting and signing 3 pg's altogether.

Mean while our dumb ass front office waited until the end of the summer to signed some BS ass pgs in jack and sessions....total incompetent

How was it possible you still don't get they're not trying to win this year?

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:A lot of you were rubbing your hands together, praying for a melo trade and this rebuilding through the draft BS, as if it was a bullet proof plan. losing get ppl fired, and sabotages plans

The rebuilding works when it's done right, and the bafoon we have in mills and this coaching staff, is laughable. I like some things that JH does, but the rest of his staff is utter garbage, and mills and perry giving jH orders on who to play and who not to play is a recipe for disaster.

We lost because we have no pg to control the pace of the game, couldn't defend the P&R again, and THJ and McDermott will suffer immensely without a pg to break down the defense and get them good looks..

Dang man. You gotta give things a little time before calling it a failure or you will never get anything done. I don't like some of the things that is happening but I want to give them more than 2 games to get their **** together.

The first thing every team did this off season, was sure up their pG position, pgs were the first FA's off the board.

The only time we have had any kind of success was when the position was solidify...felton, Lin, Kidd. It was the first move PERRY made with the KINGs, drafting and signing 3 pg's altogether.

Mean while our dumb ass front office waited until the end of the summer to signed some BS ass pgs in jack and sessions....total incompetent

How was it possible you still don't get they're not trying to win this year?

I know, they're plan is to lose a lot, but that's just going to get jH fired, KP walking, and mills fired. once that happens, we'll be going in another direction.. dude like how many times have you seen that movie

How many coaches have you seen get fired in a rebuild mode if their not at least hovering around 500.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:A lot of you were rubbing your hands together, praying for a melo trade and this rebuilding through the draft BS, as if it was a bullet proof plan. losing get ppl fired, and sabotages plans

The rebuilding works when it's done right, and the bafoon we have in mills and this coaching staff, is laughable. I like some things that JH does, but the rest of his staff is utter garbage, and mills and perry giving jH orders on who to play and who not to play is a recipe for disaster.

We lost because we have no pg to control the pace of the game, couldn't defend the P&R again, and THJ and McDermott will suffer immensely without a pg to break down the defense and get them good looks..

How did you obtain the knowledge that Mills or Perry are instructing who to give minutes to?

Two games in and your making shyt up.

read that

On Saturday, however, Hornacek had an eyebrow-raising response when asked about management branding Hernangomez among the team’s young core. Hornacek said those sentiments came before the Kanter trade.

wake up dude, willy is not that high on the knicks rader since kanter.

you wanted melo gone so bad, because he was taking minutes and shots away from kP and willy, well they traded for the exact same position, for a guy who plays melo like defense, passes less than melo, and has completely taking willy out of the line up..

mama always said be careful what you ask for

I think the eye raising moment was "Willy was part of the core until the position got upgraded with Kanter".
Kanter is better than Willy.

Now what you don't know is what you don't know. Lets think. Before the trade did Perry think he could get a PG as part of a deal? Maybe.
Did he think Sessons and Jack are the long term answer? Doubt it. Do they think frank can start right away. Doubt it. Might there be a concept that Noah gets traded? Enes gets traded? KOQ gets traded? Plausible right?

Did any of Perry's preseason statements had you thinking (a stretch) that knicks are in "Win now" mode?

Yes, with melo gone we all know that it will take time. Melo was our best player TODAY.
You can't comprehend what mills and Perry might do so you make stuff up as you would do it. You don't understand that some moves are anticipatory, not reactionary as you would.

knicks1248 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:A lot of you were rubbing your hands together, praying for a melo trade and this rebuilding through the draft BS, as if it was a bullet proof plan. losing get ppl fired, and sabotages plans

The rebuilding works when it's done right, and the bafoon we have in mills and this coaching staff, is laughable. I like some things that JH does, but the rest of his staff is utter garbage, and mills and perry giving jH orders on who to play and who not to play is a recipe for disaster.

We lost because we have no pg to control the pace of the game, couldn't defend the P&R again, and THJ and McDermott will suffer immensely without a pg to break down the defense and get them good looks..

Dang man. You gotta give things a little time before calling it a failure or you will never get anything done. I don't like some of the things that is happening but I want to give them more than 2 games to get their **** together.

The first thing every team did this off season, was sure up their pG position, pgs were the first FA's off the board.

The only time we have had any kind of success was when the position was solidify...felton, Lin, Kidd. It was the first move PERRY made with the KINGs, drafting and signing 3 pg's altogether.

Mean while our dumb ass front office waited until the end of the summer to signed some BS ass pgs in jack and sessions....total incompetent

How was it possible you still don't get they're not trying to win this year?

I know, they're plan is to lose a lot, but that's just going to get jH fired, KP walking, and mills fired. once that happens, we'll be going in another direction.. dude like how many times have you seen that movie

How many coaches have you seen get fired in a rebuild mode if their not at least hovering around 500.

I don't see KP playing for two, one-year contracts totaling $13m dollars when he can guarantee himself no less than $154m at the end of this season. No player has ever not taken a maximum rookie extension, and that was even before they made the terms a whole lot better for rookies in the last CBA. If people want to worry about him leaving I can't stop them, but...

That said, let's really try to get to the heart of your position. You repeat often If the Knicks lose big this year, Mills, Perry, Hornacek and his staff will likely be fired.

But YOU think Mills, Perry, Hornacek and his staff are mostly buffoons.

Why would you be against the Knicks getting a high lottery pick AND THEN replacing all the buffoons? For you, wouldn't that be the perfect combination?

As you continue to argue it, you seem to want the Knicks to have limited, relative to the EC '35-win-ish, make the eight seed' success this year and for all the people you think are buffoons to keep their jobs.

How does this make any sense?