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8/29/2004  5:39 PM
Duncan looked so umimpressive to me during the medal roud. Even though he was getting screwed fully on calls, he still did not play well at all. Especially his 6 point, or whatever it was, performance in the bronze medal game. He had so many rediculously retarded post up moves, where he would start to dribble with his back to the basket, and then turn directly into a double team and force a bad shot. I couldn't stand it. Give me Garnett. Give me some soul.

Stephon played very well the last three games of the tournament and it's a shame he didn't look for his shot more the last two games. I think he had about 12 points in the final quarter against Argentina while getting fouled hard on every trip to the basket, even though there was never a whistle. Steph is a dead-eye shooter, he just needs to be allowed to get into his rythym.

Arvydas Macijauskas is a unbelievable shooter. Some of the shots he hit against the U.S. in the bronze game were amazing. He has a very, very quick release and hit a lot of shots with defenders in his face. One I remember he caught on the left wing and put up a shot fake that whoever was defending him didn't bite at all, but he still put up the shot with the guy right in his face and it hit nothing but the bottom of the net. He followed that up with another three from the wing. I've heard some people recognize him as the best pure shooter in the world. The European teams live and die on the three point line. Lithuania shooting 21 of 37 from behind the line is astounding. I could watch Macijauskas play any day of the week.

Give us K.G. instead of Duncan, and Redd instead of Jefferson(could someone tell this guy to stop shooting...PLEASE) and we bring home the gold.
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8/29/2004  6:44 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/story/2822434


Allen Iverson was one of the few top-tier NBA stars willing to play for the United States in the Olympics, and after Team USA was bounced in the semifinals Friday, the 76ers star had some harsh words for the NBA players who turned down the opportunity to represent their country.

"Any person that's selected to a team like this, it shouldn't be a question in your mind," Iverson told the Washington Post. "It shouldn't even be something to think about. You're honored to get a chance to represent your country, and what's better than that?"

Iverson wasn't invited to participate in the 2000 Olympics but was on the team that participated in a qualifying tournament last summer just for the right to reach the Olympics. And, while he didn't name names, questioned the players that would accept NBA riches yet refuse to represent their country.

"Anybody that grew up in the U.S. and is able to be a basketball player in the NBA, you understand what that country has done for you and your family," Iverson said. "It gave you an opportunity to support your family and be recognized as a household name. I mean, it's just an honor to be able to do something like that, and I would advise anybody that's selected to a team like this to take that honor and cherish it."

Shaquille O'Neal, Tracy McGrady, Kobe Bryant, Karl Malone, Jason Kidd, Ray Allen and Mike Bibby are among the NBA stars who turned down a chance to play in the Olympics.

Before Friday's 89-81 semifinal loss to Argentina, NBA commissioner David Stern begged reporters to stop talking about which players didn't come to Athens.

"We have a great, great team here," Stern said. "I shouldn't say that. We have 12 great basketball players."


I never paid much attention AI, but if he really means what he's said in this article, I have a new respect for him.
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8/30/2004  10:43 AM
Same here. I heard it on ESPN Radio driving to work this morning and this made me give him a pass on the "Practice" diatribe.
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8/30/2004  10:49 AM
Since the US Team has very little time to practice, I say we bring back tryouts and only let players that want to be there. Don't let Stu Jackson in the selection comittee, he just want's to sell the NBA. Let Brown or whoever is the coach to select his team. Start the tryouts 2 years in advance and have players take a 3 year commitment. Have them practice every year as time permits. If the all other countries can do this, why can't we? Their teams are also stacked with professional players (EURO League, etc..) and they find the time to practice together.
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8/31/2004  3:23 AM
Trey bad
Incompetence in simple art of shooting dooms Team USA in Athens

When it comes right down to it, basketball is still a shooter's game. Especially international basketball. And on Friday, the U.S. once again simply didn't shoot the ball well enough, succeeding on only 32 of 77 shots (41.6 percent) -- including 3-of-11 from 3-point range -- against Argentina in the Olympic semifinals. Argentina, on the other hand, shot 32-of-59 (54.2 percent), including 11-of-22 from long range, in its convincing victory. Not coincidentally, the eight-point difference in 3-point shooting accounted for the spread in Argentina's 89-81 triumph. One need look no further for a reason behind the loss. The U.S. outrebounded Argentina 36-32, they enjoyed a 21-14 edge in turnovers and they stayed even in foul shooting.

But once again the Americans were the Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight. After their quarterfinal triumph over Spain on Thursday, in which they made 12-of-22 from downtown, the U.S. was feeling better about its outside shooting. But Team USA reverted back to form against Argentina, a team that does a better job defending the arc than the Spaniards. And with Tim Duncan once again saddled with foul trouble, the U.S. couldn't afford to miss open shots.

The U.S. tried to use its defense to stay in the game, but Argentina was too sharp. The U.S. forced just one 24-second violation all game, as Manu Ginobili and Co. ran the Argentine offense with precision. The gold-medal finalists passed, cut, screened and usually knocked down shots when they got open looks.

This was no one-man effort: Manu Ginobili (9-of-13), Alejandro Montecchia (4-of-7, 3-of-6 from downtown) and Andres Nocioni (5-of-8) all burned the U.S. defense. Even pony-tailed wildman Walter Herrmann came off the bench to hit 4-of-8, including a killer trey.

It all added up to a game in which the Argentines were in control most of the way. The U.S. mustered a surge in the third quarter to pull within 60-54, but Montecchia and Ruben Wolkowyski (yes, the Sonics reject) hit back-to-back three-pointers to put the 'Tines back on top by 12. Team USA then staged a final mini-rally late to pull within 81-73 with 2:40 to play and made a tough defensive stand to get possession. But Richard Jefferson clanked a three-pointer from the corner, and Hermann bulled his way inside for a layup that effectively ended Team USA's hopes.

U.S. coach Larry Brown will have to answer some tough questions after this loss. For one, why did he leave Duncan in the game after he picked up a third (phantom) foul early in the third quarter? Duncan picked up his fourth minutes later and had to go to the bench for the final seven minutes of the quarter. Also, why didn't the deep and more athletic U.S. squad press more against an Argentinean team that had played a late game the night before? But Brown can hardly be blamed for this U.S. failure to bring home gold. The Hall of Fame coach surely had good reasons for his strategies. The bottom line is this U.S. team was poorly constructed, with not enough shooters to make foes pay for ganging up on Duncan.

Team USA lost three times in these Olympics, and in each case it was mainly because of 3-point shooting. The U.S. couldn't make any. They couldn't stop their foes from making them. And as a result Team USA now goes home without a gold medal for the first time since 1988.


Marty Burns covers pro basketball for SI.com.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/marty_burns/08/27/usa.arg.reax/index.html
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8/31/2004  3:29 AM
Requiem for a Dream Team
Two big ways to improve U.S. team in wake of Athens disappointment
Posted: Monday August 30, 2004 3:05PM; Updated: Monday August 30, 2004 6:13PM

And now, the real work begins.

Despite sending 12 highly talented individuals to Athens -- emphasis on individuals -- the once-mighty American team settled for the bronze. The descent began with a humiliating loss to a U.S. territory ('scuse me ... commonwealth) and, adding insult to injury, was capped by a semifinal loss to a team with three NBA players and several Fabio impersonators.

First, let's dispel two popular myths about the American squad: They didn't care and they didn't know how to share the ball. The guys who didn't care were the ones who chose to stay in the States. As for not sharing the ball, the U.S. led all teams in assists at these Olympics by a wide margin.

Granted, there were real troubles -- they couldn't make jumpers and they couldn't defend. The jumpers were mainly a problem of roster selection, not some wider malaise afflicting the NBA as many seem to think. For all the hand-wringing about poor American shooters, seven of the top 10 3-point shooters in the NBA last year were American.

The poor defense owed mostly to a lack of preparation and practice, making what were in truth some pretty average players look like superstars. Manu Ginobili, for instance, played an entire NBA season last year and scored as many as 29 points exactly twice, but shredded the U.S. for 29 in the semis.

So it came down to roster selection and preparation. Given those shortcomings, the question now is what can be done to improve U.S. teams in the future?

I'd like to humbly put forward two important reforms that could result in a much better team representing the U.S. at the World Championships in 2006 and eventually in Beijing in 2008.

First, USA Basketball has to distance itself from the NBA. The league had a huge amount of input in the selection of the USA team, which would be unthinkable for any of the other national squads. This is doubly confounding since the commissioner is all but openly rooting for other teams as part of his international marketing blitz. (Seriously, does any other pro league, in any sport, in any country keep separate stats for "international leaders" on its Web site?)

Unfortunately, the word that accurately describes the relationship between USA Basketball and the NBA isn't printable on a family Web site. This needs to change. The job of USA Basketball is to win tournaments, not to help David Stern sell merchandise. The obvious first step would be dismissing Stu Jackson, who is both the National Team Committee Chair and the NBA's discipline czar, third from Stern's throne. Involving him in personnel selection is ludicrous given his horrendous mismanagement of the expansion Vancouver Grizzlies. The U.S.'s mismatched roster offered further proof.

More importantly, the next time it's "suggested" that the U.S. select a highly touted young player (Dwyane Wade) who doesn't fit the team's needs, USA Basketball has to have enough gumption and confidence to politely decline. It's the national team, not Stern's. If he's so geeked up about the international players, he can pick a squad for Guatemala.

The more important reform is that somebody's gotta be in charge. That's right: It's time for the long overdue step of hiring a full-time national team coach. Several other countries already do this, including Spain, which was easily the best-coached team in the tournament.

I mean no disrespect to Larry Brown and his staff. While perhaps the Olympics were not Brown's finest hour, the simple truth is that he had no chance from the start. Having to go through the mental grind of the NBA playoffs and immediately jump into the crucible of the Olympics was too much to handle, and the team suffered for it.

A full-time national coach would have several advantages. For starters, the scouting would be much better. Take one example from the Argentina game. I don't think the U.S. coaches had any idea that Alejandro Montecchia could make 3-pointers, because he hadn't done squat in the other Olympic games. But he shot 39 percent from downtown in Euroleague games last year, making it no surprise that he hit 3-of-6 when the U.S. continually left him open by going under the pick on screen-and-rolls Saturday. A full-time national coach would have the time to scout these guys and design a game plan accordingly.

What's more, the coach would be much more tuned in to the international game. One of the big problems with treating the coaching gig as a three-week temp assignment is that the coach is learning on the fly while trying to wean himself off an NBA mindset. A full-time national coach wouldn't have that problem. He would know instinctively when to use a zone or what offensive sets work the best.

Additionally, there could be a distinct U.S. style. Instead of constantly importing an NBA coach's "system" and trying to ram that square peg into the round hole that is international basketball, there would be offensive and defensive sets fine-tuned for the international game. As an added plus, players who played for the U.S. team over a period of years (a pipe dream, I know, but hear me out) wouldn't need to train for as long because they would already be familiar with the team's system.

Take it a step further. Most of the players who join the national squad are on the young side, because the older players all bail to rest, be with their kids or guest-host the MTV awards. Many of these players gain experience with the international team by playing for the U.S. as collegians in the World University Games or Pan Am Games or as pros in the pre-Olympic Americas tournament. So wouldn't it be great if all those teams ran the same plays and used the same defensive sets? Wouldn't that make more sense than the current rag-tag set-up?

Of course, we need somebody to run this thing. A few names pop up as guys who would have the time and ability to do it. Mike Fratello is still in touch with the game for instance, and has plenty of free time. If Jerry Sloan retired from the Jazz, he would be a good choice too, except that he might kill one of the incompetent international refs with his bare hands.

But there's one guy who would be best. He loves the 3-pointer, which is a staple of international hoops, and knows how to use it to great advantage. He likes to press and trap, a huge weapon for the U.S. that has been massively underutilized by the pressed-into-service NBA coaches. He's familiar with the pro game from coaching two NBA teams. He's undoubtedly looking for a new challenge. And he has the time to do it because his season ends in March.

Yes, that's right ... Rick Pitino.

Think about it. His style couldn't be more perfect for international basketball, and his boundless energy is tailor-made for the NCAA Tournament-like style of the Olympic schedule. Moreover, his biggest weaknesses will be a non-issue -- he can't possibly grate on the players because they aren't on the team long enough, and he can't trade for all his Kentucky guys because he won't be in charge of personnel. Just to be sure, we can put in his contract that he can't have Walter McCarty or Antoine Walker on the team.

Fast forward to the World Championships in 2006. Imagine a team of, say, Gilbert Arenas, Chauncey Billups, Michael Redd, Mike Miller and LeBron James in the backcourt, with Corey Maggette, James Posey and Carmelo Anthony on the wings and Emeka Okafor, Carlos Boozer, Zach Randolph and Brad Miller in the frontcourt. Miller, Redd, Billups and Anthony would be bombing away on 3s, Arenas, LeBron, Posey and Maggette would be terrorizing ballhandlers in the press, and the other guys would be laying down the law in the frontcourt. With a balanced team running a real system and not some mildly modified NBA offense, led by a full-time coach who has scouted all the opponents, the U.S. would be nearly impossible for other countries to handle.

Appointing a full-time coach wouldn't be a panacea. The world is catching up, and international hoops by nature is more fluke-prone because the elimination round is one-and-done and the 3-point line is so short. But no matter the rules, it seems preposterous for a nation with so much basketball talent to go 5-3 over eight games in the Olympics. Getting rid of the NBA's undue influence over the proceedings and hiring a full-time coach seem like two good ways to put the U.S. back on top.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2004/writers/john_hollinger/08/29/olympic.after/index.html
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8/31/2004  11:51 AM

Will the NBA's Olympians ever be the same?

By Sean Deveney - SportingNews







It was fitting that, on the evening of the bronze medal game against Lithuania, the U.S. Olympic basketball team brought the wrong uniforms, delaying the game for 45 minutes. Not much went right for the Americans, after all.

They returned home with the bronze, and to their regular jobs as NBA millionaires. But it stands to reason that, coming out of Athens, some of them are changed players.

Tim Duncan. He was supposed to be the linchpin. Instead, foul trouble limited his playing time, and zone defenses held him to 12.9 points per game. The Games replayed a scenario Duncan experienced in the playoffs -- if his teammates can't make outside shots, Duncan can be contained. The Spurs are hoping new guard Brent Barry takes note.

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Allen Iverson. After Iverson played in the Olympic qualifying tournament last summer, he missed 34 games because of injury. In fact, playing in last year's tournament seemed to bring injury to nearly everyone -- eight of the 12 players missed at least 13 NBA games. Iverson, who played with a broken thumb, gave max effort in Athens, leading the team in minutes played.

Carmelo Anthony. It wasn't exactly fair, but Anthony got pegged as the guy who represented everything that was wrong with this Olympic team. His quick trigger put him in Larry Brown's doghouse (just imagine if the Pistons had drafted him), and when he complained about it, he was criticized heavily. His reputation might not recover in some folks' eyes, but if he goes back to Denver, teams with Kenyon Martin and gets the Nuggets back into the playoffs, all should be forgotten.

Lamar Odom. By the end of the Games, it was clear that Odom, not Duncan, was the glue to the American team. He did the little things -- passing, boxing out, playing tough defense. It showed significant maturity for a guy whose career has been marred by drug suspensions, injuries and a poor work ethic. After dealing with the egos on Team USA, playing with Kobe Bryant will be nothing.

Stephon Marbury. Marbury got a taste of what Chauncey Billups went through last season -- playing for Brown is difficult for point guards, especially scoring point guards. At times, Marbury looked confused about when to shoot and when to pass, much like Billups did at times last season. Marbury is a good scorer, but he was a ballhog with the Knicks last year and has been for his entire career. Perhaps a few weeks under Brown's tutelage will make that go away.


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Stephon Marbury. Marbury got a taste of what Chauncey Billups went through last season -- playing for Brown is difficult for point guards, especially scoring point guards. At times, Marbury looked confused about when to shoot and when to pass, much like Billups did at times last season. Marbury is a good scorer, but he was a ballhog with the Knicks last year and has been for his entire career. Perhaps a few weeks under Brown's tutelage will make that go away.



I am sick and tired of these sports writers who have this holier than thou, uppity ass attitude who can't analyze anything if their lives depended on it. A lot of writers have said its the US players arrogance that lost them the gold. And you know what? thats BUll. They might have had that attitude coming into the games, but I guarantee that when they started losing, and were in the medal rounds, they had some attitude adjustments.

And now, this guy, Sean Deveney, can kiss my ass. Why don't you watch some games or better yet, check some stats before you make statements. Yes, Marbury is a scoring pg, but he has NOT been a ballhog for the knicks. I'd have to say he was even selfless to a fault in some games when other knicks weren't knocking down shots off his passes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3099/

Marbury had 9.3 assists for the knicks last year, and don't hold me to this, but I think that might be higher than Kidd's season avg. So, Sean, why don't you roll that stat up nice and tight, and SMOKE it.
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8/31/2004  1:07 PM
Posted by mattinNH:
Posted by mattinNH:



Stephon Marbury. Marbury got a taste of what Chauncey Billups went through last season -- playing for Brown is difficult for point guards, especially scoring point guards. At times, Marbury looked confused about when to shoot and when to pass, much like Billups did at times last season. Marbury is a good scorer, but he was a ballhog with the Knicks last year and has been for his entire career. Perhaps a few weeks under Brown's tutelage will make that go away.



I am sick and tired of these sports writers who have this holier than thou, uppity ass attitude who can't analyze anything if their lives depended on it. A lot of writers have said its the US players arrogance that lost them the gold. And you know what? thats BUll. They might have had that attitude coming into the games, but I guarantee that when they started losing, and were in the medal rounds, they had some attitude adjustments.

And now, this guy, Sean Deveney, can kiss my ass. Why don't you watch some games or better yet, check some stats before you make statements. Yes, Marbury is a scoring pg, but he has NOT been a ballhog for the knicks. I'd have to say he was even selfless to a fault in some games when other knicks weren't knocking down shots off his passes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3099/

Marbury had 9.3 assists for the knicks last year, and don't hold me to this, but I think that might be higher than Kidd's season avg. So, Sean, why don't you roll that stat up nice and tight, and SMOKE it.

I think you do have a point. By your post it does look like you are arguing vehemently against your own post. LOL.
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8/31/2004  2:47 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by mattinNH:
Posted by mattinNH:



Stephon Marbury. Marbury got a taste of what Chauncey Billups went through last season -- playing for Brown is difficult for point guards, especially scoring point guards. At times, Marbury looked confused about when to shoot and when to pass, much like Billups did at times last season. Marbury is a good scorer, but he was a ballhog with the Knicks last year and has been for his entire career. Perhaps a few weeks under Brown's tutelage will make that go away.



I am sick and tired of these sports writers who have this holier than thou, uppity ass attitude who can't analyze anything if their lives depended on it. A lot of writers have said its the US players arrogance that lost them the gold. And you know what? thats BUll. They might have had that attitude coming into the games, but I guarantee that when they started losing, and were in the medal rounds, they had some attitude adjustments.

And now, this guy, Sean Deveney, can kiss my ass. Why don't you watch some games or better yet, check some stats before you make statements. Yes, Marbury is a scoring pg, but he has NOT been a ballhog for the knicks. I'd have to say he was even selfless to a fault in some games when other knicks weren't knocking down shots off his passes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3099/

Marbury had 9.3 assists for the knicks last year, and don't hold me to this, but I think that might be higher than Kidd's season avg. So, Sean, why don't you roll that stat up nice and tight, and SMOKE it.

I think you do have a point. By your post it does look like you are arguing vehemently against your own post. LOL.
LOL!

Regarding the point about Marbury, you just have to accept that no matter how outstanding a passer a PG is, many people absolutely HATE PGs who can also score. AT first I thought that if Marbury has good playoff sucess, this perception will change. But then I realized that Iverson brought his team to the finals (as a PG who could both score and get a ton of assists), and he was still regarded as a selfish ballhog both at the time and now. No matter how much success you and your team have, many people simply HATE PGs who are good scorers (even if they're also outstanding passers)

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08/31/2004 14:49:05]
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http://nykfanpage.com/editorials/viewarticle.php?articleid=143

very intersting read.

Red, White, and Bruised
By John Maloney
August 31, 2004

The Bush administration and the USA Basketball administration have something in common. Both their foreign policies are arrogant, poorly thought out, and are getting Americans killed (literally and figuratively).

And the backlash to those policies have been prominent. I have never seen a team so reviled by the people they’re supposed to represent (unless you count Congress and the 1992 Mets). I saw a recent informal ESPN Page 2 poll that had 75% of the respondents saying that they either wanted or kind of wanted to see the US team lose. The media bashed the team the minute they landed in Europe. Even their own coach took pot shots at their performance!

It was one thing for the non-American fans to crucify the USA team. They, more than any other American Olympic athletes, were the representation of all the things the rest of world dislikes about us. But there I was, watching the game against Lithuania, and could swear at least half of the people around me were rooting against the US. I didn’t realize that there were that many Lithuanians in Queens. I’d like to think that nastiness was a statement against the way the team was put together and not, as columnist Jason Whitlock argued in a solid article on ESPN.com, racism. I mean it was just a basketball team in the Olympics, right?

So now that the US team returns with only bronze medals, which tragically clashes with their wardrobes, the questions and finger pointing begin to determine how this performance can be avoided for 2008.

Was this mess really the player’s fault?

There were complaints about their effort. Fine, they didn’t quite inspire during the embarrassing losses to Italy and Puerto Rico. But they improved over time and any lack of effort falls on the head coach, who ironically was blasting their effort, which was the very thing that was his responsibility. There were complaints about the fact that the players stayed in the Queen Mary 2 instead of the Olympic Village. Strange, that didn’t seem to be a huge deal when the previous “Dream Teams” were pampered as they cruised to gold. There were complaints that the players selected were spoiled and arrogant. But...well, actually, that’s true. Watching Allen Iverson coolly saunter around the track at the Opening Ceremonies, I was surprised that he didn’t tell the fawning NBC interviewer that he was looking forward to getting the gold bling-bling and going back to the boat with some Greek booty and ouzo.

But, he went to Athens to play. Tim Duncan went (and judging by the classic look on his face during the PR game, certainly wishes he stayed back in the Virgin Islands to sip on a pina colada). Stephon Marbury went and promptly scared the crap out of the entire Knick fanbase. Shaq didn’t go. Kevin Garnett didn’t go. Jason Kidd and Mike Bibby didn’t go. The guys who wore the USA uniforms and got crapped on by everyone in and outside of Athens went and despite what people said, they did about as well as could have been expected if anyone paid attention to the team that was put together. It would be too simplistic to say that the players are there to go through the motions and hit on the woman’s Brazilian beach volleyball team.

Was this mess Larry Brown’s fault?

He needed to do a better job of getting the team ready, but he only had four weeks to do it. Plus, he was stuck with a bunch of players who couldn’t shoot, couldn’t pass, and were only suited for one-on-ones where you dribble for 20 seconds, drive, and then heave fifteen footers. He did the best he could with what he had, although in my mind, his constant carping and pot shots at his players took him down a notch. Oh yeah, and not playing Melo and LeBron was galling. I believe that’s what at least a quarter of the people marching in NYC last weekend were protesting.

No, this mess falls on the people responsible for putting the team together. The ones that no one seems to be blaming for this. The crackerjack staff that actually includes, no joke, the immortal Stu Jackson and Gary St. Jean. The guys who ran the Vancouver Grizzlies and the Golden State Warriors. I assume Elgin Baylor and Scott Layden weren’t available.

The days of slapping together a team of NBA stars and annihilating Mozambique by 76 points? Gone. The days of having overwhelmed and terrified Spaniards ask for an autograph during an American fast break? No more. The days of the Chinese going back to their homes to proudly display the mark on their foreheads left by Sir Charles stepping on their head?

In the loss against Lithuania, Sarunas Jasikevicius hit a clutch three-pointer and was fouled by Lamar Odom in what was the turning point of that game. After the shot went in and the foul was whistled, the Lithuanian glared at Odom before going to the line. Glared at him! Rumor has it that Charles Barkley immediately boarded a plane to Athens to give Jasikevicius the forearm shiver that Odom did not. That’s where the Americans now rate on the intimidation scale with the rest of the world.

The international players are better than they were a decade ago. The rules of the international game are different enough that three weeks of half-hearted practices won’t adequately prepare the players. And the fundamentals that the international games emphasizes -- passing and deadeye shooting -- happen to be facets of the game that the NBA has been sorely lacking in for years (as if the 75-70 game scores weren’t enough of a sign).

The fact that the USA teams as presently constituted were no longer prepared for the international game should have been apparent to most people, especially those were in charge of putting these teams together. One only has to go back two years to the pitiful showing of the US team as they finished sixth at the World Championships in Indianapolis. If they needed to be reminded of that failure, all they’d have to do is visit the Conseco Fieldhouse to see the nice flower garden that grew from the fertilizer that was left by that team. That alone should have been enough of a warning for the USA basketball people to make the necessary adjustments in their roster selection, but no, they went ahead and slapped together another fantasy roto-team in the hopes to sell more Gatorade and Nikes to Athens. They should be thankful that they got bronze.

It’s high time for David Stern and USA Basketball honchos to rethink how they assemble the teams that will represent our country in the future. I won’t harp on the changes that need to be made since every single basketball columnist, many better than I, have already gone through it over and over. They need to hire a full-time General Manager. They need more college players. They need a standing national team. They need to send Rasheed Wallace and Ron Artest to other countries practice facilities armed with a case of Jack Daniels and the news that the foreign players said stuff about their mothers. But after this performance, something needs to be done.

But in the grand scheme of things, was this Olympic performance really a mess? David Stern has made no bones about the fact that he wanted the game of basketball to become international. It’s been his pursuit since the Magic/Bird/Jordan halcyon days. Well, what is it they say about being careful what you wish for? After watching a discombobulated USA team struggle to earn bronze and lose to teams from a US territory and a former Soviet territory, Mr. Stern can consider his mission accomplished. Not only has the game become international, it turns out that the rest of the world are pretty quick learners. Stern and USA basketball must realize this and make the necessary changes before 2008, because last I heard, Mozambique is itching for payback.

[Edited by - mintyfreshness33 on 08/31/2004 21:43:25]
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9/3/2004  6:36 PM
The "great" Larry Brown had a huge hand in the USA losing. Did he make any adjustments after seeing in the preliminary rounds that this wasn't going to be easy? Also, he didn't get enough shots for Duncan. There had to be a way to get him more shots. On top of this, he has always been a coach who falls in love or hate with his players and Carmelo felt his wrath after his comments over his lack of minutes, even when Carmelo might have been the team's best outside shooter. Furthermore, Lebron James didn't get nearly enough minutes. Brown never seems to trust young players, but his other ones weren't coming through so why not give Lebron and Carmelo twenty plus minutes at least in one game?
Brown gets extolled as an elite coach, and he did finally win a championship in the NBA, nothing can deny this, but he was always about a .500 coach in the playoffs for his career, and the Olympics did nothing to make me feel he deserves to be mentioned with Daly, Riley or even Phil Jackson, who he finally beat this year.
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9/5/2004  12:03 AM
I must agree that the NBA has a lot of guys who are gutless, I could not imagine that euro midget staring down Jordan, or even Barkley because on the next play, he would be picking up his nose off the floor....
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9/5/2004  7:12 AM
A Top 10 Video with Olympia greatest plays can be found here:
http://www.24sec.net/
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