Both are not wickedly quick, both are smooth, good wingspan, Good shooting stroke and French!!!
DId Spurs abandon Kwahi Leonard after three games? Murry? They season guys.
We are not the spurs and their fans might question what they cannot see, but they have faith.
We lack faith and ridicule what we cannot see. We are knick fans and are damaged.

Welpee wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

franco12 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

VS some good guards.

It may be premature - but if I had to hang my ass out there - we royally messed up by not taking DSjr.

Keep in mind that there's no one on Earth that would rather be proven wrong on this more than me, trust me, but I completely agree with you. No question about it.

Best analogy I can make is we drafted Kerry Kittles instead of Kobe. A solid player instead of a potential star.

Or how about in that same draft taking Stephon Marbury over Steve Nash. A potential superstar over a solid player who turned himself into a two time MVP and future hall of famer?

I mean, we can play the analogy game all day.

You mean useless analogies.....we know you can.

Name of thread. Who is better? So far? The End. Until tomorrow that is.

knicks1248 wrote:fRANK IS SET TO PLAY 8 to 10 mins tmrw...and we're scared to trade this kid..We might be holding on to a balkman type player, and we are talking about rebuilding with these types..

On a optimism note, GMs are willing to trade for him so the potential is there, but with out the right coach and support cast, that can be the down fall like the previous players we have drafted.

You see, CHARLIE WARD or CHRIS CHILDS would be consider trash on this current roster, but when you put them around the sprewells, the ewings, the LJs, the camby's and a solid coach, they become very solid pieces.

Why are you so shortsighted when it comes to a kid like Ntilikina who has yet to really start his career? Why should we be looking to trade a kid we just drafted at #8 before he even gets a chance to show what he can do?

This team is really about the young players on the team. We want them to do well, but it's still a REBUILD and as such we have to accept that they're in development. Not every single young player is going to immediately reach their potential. That's why you need some kind of patience. The Knicks are most likely going to be adding more young talent to the core and development group next summer.

NO.	NAME	           POS	AGE	HT	WT	
11	Frank Ntilikina	   PG	19	6-5	190	
2	Luke Kornet	   PF	22	7-1	250	
6	Kristaps Porzingis PF	22	7-3	240	
21	Damyean Dotson	   SG	23	6-5	210	
14	Willy Hernangomez  C	23	6-11	240	
4	Isaiah Hicks	   PF	23	6-9	242	 
31	Ron Baker	   SG	24	6-4	220	
3	Tim Hardaway Jr.   SG	25	6-6	205	
00	Enes Kanter	   C	25	6-11	245	
20	Doug McDermott	   SF	25	6-8	219	

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:fRANK IS SET TO PLAY 8 to 10 mins tmrw...and we're scared to trade this kid..We might be holding on to a balkman type player, and we are talking about rebuilding with these types..

On a optimism note, GMs are willing to trade for him so the potential is there, but with out the right coach and support cast, that can be the down fall like the previous players we have drafted.

You see, CHARLIE WARD or CHRIS CHILDS would be consider trash on this current roster, but when you put them around the sprewells, the ewings, the LJs, the camby's and a solid coach, they become very solid pieces.

Why are you so shortsighted when it comes to a kid like Ntilikina who has yet to really start his career? Why should we be looking to trade a kid we just drafted at #8 before he even gets a chance to show what he can do?

This team is really about the young players on the team. We want them to do well, but it's still a REBUILD and as such we have to accept that they're in development. Not every single young player is going to immediately reach their potential. That's why you need some kind of patience. The Knicks are most likely going to be adding more young talent to the core and development group next summer.

NO.	NAME	           POS	AGE	HT	WT	
11	Frank Ntilikina	   PG	19	6-5	190	
2	Luke Kornet	   PF	22	7-1	250	
6	Kristaps Porzingis PF	22	7-3	240	
21	Damyean Dotson	   SG	23	6-5	210	
14	Willy Hernangomez  C	23	6-11	240	
4	Isaiah Hicks	   PF	23	6-9	242	 
31	Ron Baker	   SG	24	6-4	220	
3	Tim Hardaway Jr.   SG	25	6-6	205	
00	Enes Kanter	   C	25	6-11	245	
20	Doug McDermott	   SF	25	6-8	219	

reub wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:fRANK IS SET TO PLAY 8 to 10 mins tmrw...and we're scared to trade this kid..We might be holding on to a balkman type player, and we are talking about rebuilding with these types..

On a optimism note, GMs are willing to trade for him so the potential is there, but with out the right coach and support cast, that can be the down fall like the previous players we have drafted.

You see, CHARLIE WARD or CHRIS CHILDS would be consider trash on this current roster, but when you put them around the sprewells, the ewings, the LJs, the camby's and a solid coach, they become very solid pieces.

Why are you so shortsighted when it comes to a kid like Ntilikina who has yet to really start his career? Why should we be looking to trade a kid we just drafted at #8 before he even gets a chance to show what he can do?

This team is really about the young players on the team. We want them to do well, but it's still a REBUILD and as such we have to accept that they're in development. Not every single young player is going to immediately reach their potential. That's why you need some kind of patience. The Knicks are most likely going to be adding more young talent to the core and development group next summer.

NO.	NAME	           POS	AGE	HT	WT	
11	Frank Ntilikina	   PG	19	6-5	190	
2	Luke Kornet	   PF	22	7-1	250	
6	Kristaps Porzingis PF	22	7-3	240	
21	Damyean Dotson	   SG	23	6-5	210	
14	Willy Hernangomez  C	23	6-11	240	
4	Isaiah Hicks	   PF	23	6-9	242	 
31	Ron Baker	   SG	24	6-4	220	
3	Tim Hardaway Jr.   SG	25	6-6	205	
00	Enes Kanter	   C	25	6-11	245	
20	Doug McDermott	   SF	25	6-8	219	

What will be their ages when we finally become good??

Well the process is certainly longer than 3 games into this season!!! You can't get so caught up in how long this will take when you literally are at the very beginning of the process. Wouldn't you agree that a 19 and 22 yr old have a few years to put it all together and show who they're going to be? We haven't even given them a chance to grow THIS SEASON. Still got 79 games to go.

This isn't about W/L's as much as it's about growth and development. This is still a rebuild and if the kids play well and win games. GREAT. If they play well but still lose. GREAT! All it means is that we'll get another good draft pick. Despite the 2 bad losses this team did actually have a good game against the Pistons.
They should've won that game and maybe as they build chemistry they win more of those kinds of games. The Heat started 11-30 last year but turned things around. It just shows you need to see how the whole season plays out.

Welpee wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Welpee wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

franco12 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

VS some good guards.

It may be premature - but if I had to hang my ass out there - we royally messed up by not taking DSjr.

Keep in mind that there's no one on Earth that would rather be proven wrong on this more than me, trust me, but I completely agree with you. No question about it.

Best analogy I can make is we drafted Kerry Kittles instead of Kobe. A solid player instead of a potential star.

Or how about in that same draft taking Stephon Marbury over Steve Nash. A potential superstar over a solid player who turned himself into a two time MVP and future hall of famer?

I mean, we can play the analogy game all day.

I've never understood comparisons like this. Are you saying players who do worse in their early careers do better than their peers later on? If that isn't statistically true then spouting out exceptions to the rule is like saying buying lottery tickets is a good investment strategy and naming lottery winners as proof.

Again, the point is that it's ridiculous to take the first three or four games of a player's career and determine you will regret drafting player A instead of player B.

You know what's funny.......if we drafted DSJ......we will be all over Mills for passing on a defensive PG with a high IQ and plays the right way.......also he can shoot.

DSJ is similar to rose as far as explosiveness and injury prone. Not DSJ is out with a knee a d knick fans would've started a similar tbread......hyping Frank.

Knick fans never tanked or rebuild before......so nobody fully embraced the process......Lets see if management has more patience than knick fans.

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:

Welpee wrote:

nykshaknbake wrote:

Welpee wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

franco12 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

VS some good guards.

It may be premature - but if I had to hang my ass out there - we royally messed up by not taking DSjr.

Keep in mind that there's no one on Earth that would rather be proven wrong on this more than me, trust me, but I completely agree with you. No question about it.

Best analogy I can make is we drafted Kerry Kittles instead of Kobe. A solid player instead of a potential star.

Or how about in that same draft taking Stephon Marbury over Steve Nash. A potential superstar over a solid player who turned himself into a two time MVP and future hall of famer?

I mean, we can play the analogy game all day.

I've never understood comparisons like this. Are you saying players who do worse in their early careers do better than their peers later on? If that isn't statistically true then spouting out exceptions to the rule is like saying buying lottery tickets is a good investment strategy and naming lottery winners as proof.

Again, the point is that it's ridiculous to take the first three or four games of a player's career and determine you will regret drafting player A instead of player B.

You know what's funny.......if we drafted DSJ......we will be all over Mills for passing on a defensive PG with a high IQ and plays the right way.......also he can shoot.

DSJ is similar to rose as far as explosiveness and injury prone. Not DSJ is out with a knee a d knick fans would've started a similar tbread......hyping Frank.

Knick fans never tanked or rebuild before......so nobody fully embraced the process......Lets see if management has more patience than knick fans.

how can they embrace the process when everyone is smarter than the Knick's FO, knows we should have drafted different players, knows they are smarter than the coaches and just cant get why Kurt Rambis is here?

Your right though.. there is no such thing as losing gracefully in sports.

Grass is always greener on the other side.

knicks1248 wrote:fRANK IS SET TO PLAY 8 to 10 mins tmrw...and we're scared to trade this kid..We might be holding on to a balkman type player, and we are talking about rebuilding with these types..

On a optimism note, GMs are willing to trade for him so the potential is there, but with out the right coach and support cast, that can be the down fall like the previous players we have drafted.
You see, CHARLIE WARD or CHRIS CHILDS would be consider trash on this current roster, but when you put them around the sprewells, the ewings, the LJs, the camby's and a solid coach, they become very solid pieces.

You making things up again.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:fRANK IS SET TO PLAY 8 to 10 mins tmrw...and we're scared to trade this kid..We might be holding on to a balkman type player, and we are talking about rebuilding with these types..

On a optimism note, GMs are willing to trade for him so the potential is there, but with out the right coach and support cast, that can be the down fall like the previous players we have drafted.
You see, CHARLIE WARD or CHRIS CHILDS would be consider trash on this current roster, but when you put them around the sprewells, the ewings, the LJs, the camby's and a solid coach, they become very solid pieces.

You making things up again.

Ntilikina is also unlikely to play major minutes against Brooklyn. He registered just eight minutes in the Knicks' season-opening loss against Oklahoma City.

Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek suggested that he'll play a similar amount of time against Brooklyn.