WaltLongmire wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'm on record saying that I would've taken DSJr pretty much regardless of who was realistically available but I can't stand having a debate about these two every single time one of them does or doesn't do something.

Just don't see it happening. Too much going against it...Not only is there a "my guy wasn't chosen" factor, but poor Frank is also Phil Jackson's abandoned child...from another regime. He is a refugee...and they are not popular these days.

On draft night, i was frustrated we took Frank over DSJ...im on record on this board saying as much. With that said, Im a knick fan, its about the front of the jersey, not the back. Frank is a Knick so im rooting for him to succeed but its frustrating as hell that dude continues to have these set backs...this is a forum, a place to cheer and vent..right now some of us are venting. Doesnt mean im rooting against him, im a knick fan an i root for all players in the blue and orange...

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

reub wrote:It's water on the knee. Swelling. The body's response to trauma or injury.

nixluva wrote:

Knee effusion or swelling of the knee (colloquially known as water on the knee) occurs when excess synovial fluid accumulates in or around the knee joint. There are many common causes for the swelling, including arthritis, injury to the ligaments or meniscus, or fluid collecting in the bursa, a condition known as prepatellar bursitis.

Not a good thing to hear about that repaired knee. Hopefully it’s not something that will require surgery. Maybe just rest and treatment to bring the swelling down.

Remember that he wouldn't show us his medical records.

he went down awkward on his left knee in that game going to the basket

2:04

It aso looked like he hurt his ankle. He seemed a bit gimpy. Really impressive young player. He penetrates like Rose but passes to his teammates and has a jump shot. I would love to see KP with a point guard that puts that kind of pressure on a defense but is an elite passer. Hopefully the Knicks get some of that from Frank.

Kid has a nice game and in theory his skills and penetration would be ideal but you and I both know if Phil had drafted him the NY Media would’ve feasted on this. The kid needed to use DRose as a cautionary tale and toned it down. Instead he is just as reckless as DRose was. So many awkward landings!

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much better player than Frank, but it looks like some of the fears about his health are justified dude is reckless. I don't know though I just don't think Frank is going to be any good, I haven't seen anything that justifies his selection at 8

Ntilikina is a different type of player. DSJ wishes he could be the kind of defender Nitty is capable of being. Nitty is yet to fully fill out and he might still grow. I like Nitty’s package of physical talent, skills and BBIQ. I think Nitty is going to be more of a Billups type of PG.

People keep predicting these lofty expectations on Frank with not a single shred of evidence he will ever reach those heights. Yeah he is long , sure I think he can defend at a high level , but the actually playing PG in the NBA I dont see those skills at all. Dude looks awful with the ball in his hands. I just want to see something that gives me hope for this kid because ever since he has been a Knick its been one failure after another. I want to believe he is a building block and we didn't just piss away the whole 2016-17 season to draft a back up wing.

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

reub wrote:It's water on the knee. Swelling. The body's response to trauma or injury.

nixluva wrote:

Knee effusion or swelling of the knee (colloquially known as water on the knee) occurs when excess synovial fluid accumulates in or around the knee joint. There are many common causes for the swelling, including arthritis, injury to the ligaments or meniscus, or fluid collecting in the bursa, a condition known as prepatellar bursitis.

Not a good thing to hear about that repaired knee. Hopefully it’s not something that will require surgery. Maybe just rest and treatment to bring the swelling down.

Remember that he wouldn't show us his medical records.

he went down awkward on his left knee in that game going to the basket

2:04

It aso looked like he hurt his ankle. He seemed a bit gimpy. Really impressive young player. He penetrates like Rose but passes to his teammates and has a jump shot. I would love to see KP with a point guard that puts that kind of pressure on a defense but is an elite passer. Hopefully the Knicks get some of that from Frank.

Kid has a nice game and in theory his skills and penetration would be ideal but you and I both know if Phil had drafted him the NY Media would’ve feasted on this. The kid needed to use DRose as a cautionary tale and toned it down. Instead he is just as reckless as DRose was. So many awkward landings!

,
much better player than Frank, but it looks like some of the fears about his health are justified dude is reckless. I don't know though I just don't think Frank is going to be any good, I haven't seen anything that justifies his selection at 8

Ntilikina is a different type of player. DSJ wishes he could be the kind of defender Nitty is capable of being. Nitty is yet to fully fill out and he might still grow. I like Nitty’s package of physical talent, skills and BBIQ. I think Nitty is going to be more of a Billups type of PG.

People keep predicting these lofty expectations on Frank with not a single shred of evidence he will ever reach those heights. Yeah he is long , sure I think he can defend at a high level , but the actually playing PG in the NBA I dont see those skills at all. Dude looks awful with the ball in his hands. I just want to see something that gives me hope for this kid because ever since he has been a Knick its been one failure after another.

Name them. Name all these "failures one after another" you're referring to?

Uptown wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'm on record saying that I would've taken DSJr pretty much regardless of who was realistically available but I can't stand having a debate about these two every single time one of them does or doesn't do something.

Just don't see it happening. Too much going against it...Not only is there a "my guy wasn't chosen" factor, but poor Frank is also Phil Jackson's abandoned child...from another regime. He is a refugee...and they are not popular these days.

On draft night, i was frustrated we took Frank over DSJ...im on record on this board saying as much. With that said, Im a knick fan, its about the front of the jersey, not the back. Frank is a Knick so im rooting for him to succeed but its frustrating as hell that dude continues to have these set backs...this is a forum, a place to cheer and vent..right now some of us are venting. Doesnt mean im rooting against him, im a knick fan an i root for all players in the blue and orange...

Well said.

WaltLongmire wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'm on record saying that I would've taken DSJr pretty much regardless of who was realistically available but I can't stand having a debate about these two every single time one of them does or doesn't do something.

Just don't see it happening. Too much going against it...Not only is there a "my guy wasn't chosen" factor, but poor Frank is also Phil Jackson's abandoned child...from another regime. He is a refugee...and they are not popular these days.

What he said

GustavBahler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'm on record saying that I would've taken DSJr pretty much regardless of who was realistically available but I can't stand having a debate about these two every single time one of them does or doesn't do something.

Just don't see it happening. Too much going against it...Not only is there a "my guy wasn't chosen" factor, but poor Frank is also Phil Jackson's abandoned child...from another regime. He is a refugee...and they are not popular these days.

On draft night, i was frustrated we took Frank over DSJ...im on record on this board saying as much. With that said, Im a knick fan, its about the front of the jersey, not the back. Frank is a Knick so im rooting for him to succeed but its frustrating as hell that dude continues to have these set backs...this is a forum, a place to cheer and vent..right now some of us are venting. Doesnt mean im rooting against him, im a knick fan an i root for all players in the blue and orange...

Well said.

Uptown wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'm on record saying that I would've taken DSJr pretty much regardless of who was realistically available but I can't stand having a debate about these two every single time one of them does or doesn't do something.

Just don't see it happening. Too much going against it...Not only is there a "my guy wasn't chosen" factor, but poor Frank is also Phil Jackson's abandoned child...from another regime. He is a refugee...and they are not popular these days.

On draft night, i was frustrated we took Frank over DSJ...im on record on this board saying as much. With that said, Im a knick fan, its about the front of the jersey, not the back. Frank is a Knick so im rooting for him to succeed but its frustrating as hell that dude continues to have these set backs...this is a forum, a place to cheer and vent..right now some of us are venting. Doesnt mean im rooting against him, im a knick fan an i root for all players in the blue and orange...

Can easily agree with this...

My original draft wish list was Fox, Isaac, and Ntilikina. As we dropped and Fox/Isaac seemed out of reach it was Frank or Smith. Did not want Monk. Came around on Smith after watching him on D and realizing he could do it if motivated. I know that if we had taken him I would not have been whining if Monk or Frank had a few good games with the teams that drafted them.

I've been frustrated since he missed SL. I watched enough of him in his French games to know what he could do now, but more importantly, what he will be able to do in the future, since he is clearly less developed physically than many of the U.S. players.

The other issue is that players on the better European teams are not given free reign to play the way they want. This was true for Frank, KP, and Willy. What's funny is that the recent Euro pick with what some considered an American game- Hezonja(sp), has been a major disappointment so far. Frank has to be a little more selfish at times, and this HAS been something said about his French career.

Seems like a waste of time to harp on the draft at this point, though. I'm hoping that this does not become the dominant topic on this forum. Not holding my breath, though.

Time will tell.

Uptown wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'm on record saying that I would've taken DSJr pretty much regardless of who was realistically available but I can't stand having a debate about these two every single time one of them does or doesn't do something.

Just don't see it happening. Too much going against it...Not only is there a "my guy wasn't chosen" factor, but poor Frank is also Phil Jackson's abandoned child...from another regime. He is a refugee...and they are not popular these days.

On draft night, i was frustrated we took Frank over DSJ...im on record on this board saying as much. With that said, Im a knick fan, its about the front of the jersey, not the back. Frank is a Knick so im rooting for him to succeed but its frustrating as hell that dude continues to have these set backs...this is a forum, a place to cheer and vent..right now some of us are venting. Doesnt mean im rooting against him, im a knick fan an i root for all players in the blue and orange...

This is the discussion forum. If people are going to post things that aren't reasonable (for whatever reasons) people are going to respond pointing out of those things aren't reasonable.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Uptown wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

VCoug wrote:I'm on record saying that I would've taken DSJr pretty much regardless of who was realistically available but I can't stand having a debate about these two every single time one of them does or doesn't do something.

Just don't see it happening. Too much going against it...Not only is there a "my guy wasn't chosen" factor, but poor Frank is also Phil Jackson's abandoned child...from another regime. He is a refugee...and they are not popular these days.

On draft night, i was frustrated we took Frank over DSJ...im on record on this board saying as much. With that said, Im a knick fan, its about the front of the jersey, not the back. Frank is a Knick so im rooting for him to succeed but its frustrating as hell that dude continues to have these set backs...this is a forum, a place to cheer and vent..right now some of us are venting. Doesnt mean im rooting against him, im a knick fan an i root for all players in the blue and orange...

This is the discussion forum. If people are going to post things that aren't reasonable (for whatever reasons) people are going to respond pointing out of those things aren't reasonable.

this

Thats reasonable.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

reub wrote:It's water on the knee. Swelling. The body's response to trauma or injury.

nixluva wrote:

Knee effusion or swelling of the knee (colloquially known as water on the knee) occurs when excess synovial fluid accumulates in or around the knee joint. There are many common causes for the swelling, including arthritis, injury to the ligaments or meniscus, or fluid collecting in the bursa, a condition known as prepatellar bursitis.

Not a good thing to hear about that repaired knee. Hopefully it’s not something that will require surgery. Maybe just rest and treatment to bring the swelling down.

Remember that he wouldn't show us his medical records.

he went down awkward on his left knee in that game going to the basket

2:04

It aso looked like he hurt his ankle. He seemed a bit gimpy. Really impressive young player. He penetrates like Rose but passes to his teammates and has a jump shot. I would love to see KP with a point guard that puts that kind of pressure on a defense but is an elite passer. Hopefully the Knicks get some of that from Frank.

Kid has a nice game and in theory his skills and penetration would be ideal but you and I both know if Phil had drafted him the NY Media would’ve feasted on this. The kid needed to use DRose as a cautionary tale and toned it down. Instead he is just as reckless as DRose was. So many awkward landings!

,
much better player than Frank, but it looks like some of the fears about his health are justified dude is reckless. I don't know though I just don't think Frank is going to be any good, I haven't seen anything that justifies his selection at 8

Ntilikina is a different type of player. DSJ wishes he could be the kind of defender Nitty is capable of being. Nitty is yet to fully fill out and he might still grow. I like Nitty’s package of physical talent, skills and BBIQ. I think Nitty is going to be more of a Billups type of PG.

People keep predicting these lofty expectations on Frank with not a single shred of evidence he will ever reach those heights. Yeah he is long , sure I think he can defend at a high level , but the actually playing PG in the NBA I dont see those skills at all. Dude looks awful with the ball in his hands. I just want to see something that gives me hope for this kid because ever since he has been a Knick its been one failure after another. I want to believe he is a building block and we didn't just piss away the whole 2016-17 season to draft a back up wing.

And you get all this about Frank from watching him play 8 minutes in his first game in the NBA?? I'm not sure how anyone doesn't realize that it's gonna take time to see the full potential of Frank. He's gonna need a good amount of games that he started and got at least 30 minutes before we even start seeing what this kid can do in the NBA and at PG.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

reub wrote:It's water on the knee. Swelling. The body's response to trauma or injury.

nixluva wrote:

Knee effusion or swelling of the knee (colloquially known as water on the knee) occurs when excess synovial fluid accumulates in or around the knee joint. There are many common causes for the swelling, including arthritis, injury to the ligaments or meniscus, or fluid collecting in the bursa, a condition known as prepatellar bursitis.

Not a good thing to hear about that repaired knee. Hopefully it’s not something that will require surgery. Maybe just rest and treatment to bring the swelling down.

Remember that he wouldn't show us his medical records.

he went down awkward on his left knee in that game going to the basket

2:04

It aso looked like he hurt his ankle. He seemed a bit gimpy. Really impressive young player. He penetrates like Rose but passes to his teammates and has a jump shot. I would love to see KP with a point guard that puts that kind of pressure on a defense but is an elite passer. Hopefully the Knicks get some of that from Frank.

Kid has a nice game and in theory his skills and penetration would be ideal but you and I both know if Phil had drafted him the NY Media would’ve feasted on this. The kid needed to use DRose as a cautionary tale and toned it down. Instead he is just as reckless as DRose was. So many awkward landings!

,
much better player than Frank, but it looks like some of the fears about his health are justified dude is reckless. I don't know though I just don't think Frank is going to be any good, I haven't seen anything that justifies his selection at 8

Ntilikina is a different type of player. DSJ wishes he could be the kind of defender Nitty is capable of being. Nitty is yet to fully fill out and he might still grow. I like Nitty’s package of physical talent, skills and BBIQ. I think Nitty is going to be more of a Billups type of PG.

People keep predicting these lofty expectations on Frank with not a single shred of evidence he will ever reach those heights. Yeah he is long , sure I think he can defend at a high level , but the actually playing PG in the NBA I dont see those skills at all. Dude looks awful with the ball in his hands. I just want to see something that gives me hope for this kid because ever since he has been a Knick its been one failure after another. I want to believe he is a building block and we didn't just piss away the whole 2016-17 season to draft a back up wing.

And you get all this about Frank from watching him play 8 minutes in his first game in the NBA?? I'm not sure how anyone doesn't realize that it's gonna take time to see the full potential of Frank. He's gonna need a good amount of games that he started and got at least 30 minutes before we even start seeing what this kid can do in the NBA and at PG.