nixluva wrote:I like the info in this tweet.

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We’re talking about a 19 yr old kid that hasn’t yet played enough games to get fully comfortable at this level.

fishmike wrote:

blkexec wrote:Personally....I like them both. And I think this team needs both.

DSJ and Frank would be a great pair to have on your team. But having DSJ without Frank doesn't sound as good as having Frank without DSJ.

Smith needs unselfish players around him for his team to work.

Frank needs selfish players around him for his team to work.

As of right now.....DRAW

The two bolded above... one is really hard to get. The other is really easy to get. Care to guess which is which? Think they are both equal?

I don't think Kurds a draw and i don't agree Frank needs selfish players to succeed. Teams that are winning Notre are plaything unselfish basketball across the team. Its not some if this then that type of fit. Everybody plays unselfish, THE TEAM wins. This is a hard concept to grasp for people used to salivating over empty volume stats. That is how the game has changed. Only superfluous observers think the change has to do with jacking up three pointers and winning with offense only where defense is optional.

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nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Getting back to the actual topic i feel frank fits better here than smith. As we can see when he is on the floor we normally do pretty well on both sides of the ball. Imagine how good it will be when his offense starts to blossom. My only issue is that he does hesitate to drive sometimes but that will get better as the year progresses

Guess thats why this will be an ongoing debate. Hard for me to admit that Frank is the better fit as we dont have Smith here also playing minutes. If you look at Toronto's game he had zero impact. It is hard to watch the Knicks losing by 20 and having a guy that brings nothing on offense. But of course that is one game and I agree he has had a positive affect on defense and in the 4th quarters. Also, agree that he is still very young.

Not for anything but Smith had a bad game last night (Not going to say he had a good game becasue of his +/- or that they held a very good offensive team to 79 points) and yet Dallas destroyed the Bucks. Think this debate speaks to a bigger debate with fans. The question of what is more important? Defensive or Offensive players. Fact is the NBA has changed. And it is placing more emphasis of scoring and 3pt shooting. Many old school guys will never agree with the new style of play. I can't remember any of my coaches not instantly benching a player if he settled for a three on a fast break. Now its the norm. To me, Smith represent the new NBA, which is winning chips and Frank represent the Old NBA.

Frank is old school but he’s ELITE at what he does well already with PLENTY of time to improve his scoring. He’s Elite for a rookie in terms of his impact on his team. There’s no question about that. The team scores more and gives up fewer points when he plays. This includes 4th quarters!

He’s got a great chance to improve since his shot isn’t broken. It’s quite smooth. The kid needs time and development on his offensive skills. I doubt he’s ever going to be at the level of DSJ in terms of his offensive ability. That’s a rare talent and usually it is already evident in a young player. DSJ is an offensive star type and Frank is likely to end up being a more balanced 2Way players.

DSJ represents the NEW NBA about as much as Donald Trump represents America. But he isn't completely useless either. I don't think either one is having a lot of impact on their teams statistically. Their VORPs will show they are both basically average NBA players at this time. We just saw what a star on offense did for us for 6 years, I would much rather have Frank. The people who prefer DSJR type of player are the ones who are more interested in volume stats and scoring and they come up with all types of ass backwards reasoning to support that. There is nothing that shows DSJR is having more impact than Frank.

I like the info in this tweet.

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We’re talking about a 19 yr old kid that hasn’t yet played enough games to get fully comfortable at this level.

That is very interesting. Thanks for sharing

That is amazing.....Only 19 with that much impact on defense already? Thats before he even picks up NBA skills and tricks. And the speed of the game on defense doesn't affect him as much, which I thought would be his biggest adjustment.

His last 4 games hes had 9 TO's and 4 assists while shooting 7-23 and 10 personal fouls in limited minutes.

What Im scared of while people are praising him to high heaven is actual play. I think the D league gives the player the ability to let loose--be free without worry of error. And as he learns how to flow easier--that mentality can be brought up to the major league. Hes played poorly recently--not a step forward rather a step back. We dont need to compare Frank to anyone--we need to develop him the right way.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I still think Frank needs to play 40 minutes as a lead guard down at Westchester for a few games to bring more flow to his game--hes very tight right now.

His last 4 games hes had 9 TO's and 4 assists while shooting 7-23 and 10 personal fouls in limited minutes.

What Im scared of while people are praising him to high heaven is actual play. I think the D league gives the player the ability to let loose--be free without worry of error. And as he learns how to flow easier--that mentality can be brought up to the major league. Hes played poorly recently--not a step forward rather a step back. We dont need to compare Frank to anyone--we need to develop him the right way.

He's been sick last two game.

He's playing a role. That role is defense/ball handling. Its a good role for a rookie player. Especially in a winning environment. That is the right way to develop. Frank is averaging 20 minutes a game at 19 as an NBA rookie and he's having a positive impact. The offense will come. Being focused on helping the team with defense and setting up other players is good development.

Dude's getting 20 mpg. He's in the rotation. He doesnt need to go to the D league so he can jack up more shots. We have guys for that.

Frank's offense will come. Dude's 14 games into his NBA career and he's playing winning minutes and crunch time and you want him to go to the D league. Its really just not a smart idea. At all. Yet you keep posting it over and over.

Welpee wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I still think Frank needs to play 40 minutes as a lead guard down at Westchester for a few games to bring more flow to his game--hes very tight right now.

His last 4 games hes had 9 TO's and 4 assists while shooting 7-23 and 10 personal fouls in limited minutes.

What Im scared of while people are praising him to high heaven is actual play. I think the D league gives the player the ability to let loose--be free without worry of error. And as he learns how to flow easier--that mentality can be brought up to the major league. Hes played poorly recently--not a step forward rather a step back. We dont need to compare Frank to anyone--we need to develop him the right way.

He's been sick last two game.

He's playing a role. That role is defense/ball handling. Its a good role for a rookie player. Especially in a winning environment. That is the right way to develop. Frank is averaging 20 minutes a game at 19 as an NBA rookie and he's having a positive impact. The offense will come. Being focused on helping the team with defense and setting up other players is good development.

Dude's getting 20 mpg. He's in the rotation. He doesnt need to go to the D league so he can jack up more shots. We have guys for that.

Frank's offense will come. Dude's 14 games into his NBA career and he's playing winning minutes and crunch time and you want him to go to the D league. Its really just not a smart idea. At all. Yet you keep posting it over and over.

I wondered about that. During one stoppage of play I noticed Frank in the background with a look on his face indicating that something was up, like he was under some distress. So it makes total sense now to find out he was under the weather.

That's the thing he is not being asked to score - he is being asked to be a distributor and defensive stopper. That is his defined role - why people get bent out of shape about scoring beats me.

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

nixluva wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Getting back to the actual topic i feel frank fits better here than smith. As we can see when he is on the floor we normally do pretty well on both sides of the ball. Imagine how good it will be when his offense starts to blossom. My only issue is that he does hesitate to drive sometimes but that will get better as the year progresses

Guess thats why this will be an ongoing debate. Hard for me to admit that Frank is the better fit as we dont have Smith here also playing minutes. If you look at Toronto's game he had zero impact. It is hard to watch the Knicks losing by 20 and having a guy that brings nothing on offense. But of course that is one game and I agree he has had a positive affect on defense and in the 4th quarters. Also, agree that he is still very young.

Not for anything but Smith had a bad game last night (Not going to say he had a good game becasue of his +/- or that they held a very good offensive team to 79 points) and yet Dallas destroyed the Bucks. Think this debate speaks to a bigger debate with fans. The question of what is more important? Defensive or Offensive players. Fact is the NBA has changed. And it is placing more emphasis of scoring and 3pt shooting. Many old school guys will never agree with the new style of play. I can't remember any of my coaches not instantly benching a player if he settled for a three on a fast break. Now its the norm. To me, Smith represent the new NBA, which is winning chips and Frank represent the Old NBA.

Frank is old school but he’s ELITE at what he does well already with PLENTY of time to improve his scoring. He’s Elite for a rookie in terms of his impact on his team. There’s no question about that. The team scores more and gives up fewer points when he plays. This includes 4th quarters!

He’s got a great chance to improve since his shot isn’t broken. It’s quite smooth. The kid needs time and development on his offensive skills. I doubt he’s ever going to be at the level of DSJ in terms of his offensive ability. That’s a rare talent and usually it is already evident in a young player. DSJ is an offensive star type and Frank is likely to end up being a more balanced 2Way players.

DSJ represents the NEW NBA about as much as Donald Trump represents America. But he isn't completely useless either. I don't think either one is having a lot of impact on their teams statistically. Their VORPs will show they are both basically average NBA players at this time. We just saw what a star on offense did for us for 6 years, I would much rather have Frank. The people who prefer DSJR type of player are the ones who are more interested in volume stats and scoring and they come up with all types of ass backwards reasoning to support that. There is nothing that shows DSJR is having more impact than Frank.

I like the info in this tweet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/courtsideknicks/status/932634340663681026

We’re talking about a 19 yr old kid that hasn’t yet played enough games to get fully comfortable at this level.

That is very interesting. Thanks for sharing

So so True .. it does become difficult to compare between Frank vs DSJ when Franks 4th qtr. performance has a 8-4 winning record .. Thanks for sharing .. Im oldschool NBA .. the best DEFENSE makes the best offense !!!

BRIGGS wrote:I still think Frank needs to play 40 minutes as a lead guard down at Westchester for a few games to bring more flow to his game--hes very tight right now.

His last 4 games hes had 9 TO's and 4 assists while shooting 7-23 and 10 personal fouls in limited minutes.

What Im scared of while people are praising him to high heaven is actual play. I think the D league gives the player the ability to let loose--be free without worry of error. And as he learns how to flow easier--that mentality can be brought up to the major league. Hes played poorly recently--not a step forward rather a step back. We dont need to compare Frank to anyone--we need to develop him the right way.

It is not going to happen but I agree that a month in the G league would be good for Frank to help him get comfortable scoring. The kid has offense in him. You can see it. He just has to develop the mentality to score.