franco12 wrote:I kinda can't believe we got Kanter for Melo. He's a great talent. Sure, we are kinda crowded up front. I'd like to see if we can showcase him, and then trade him at the deadline to a team that wants to add some firepower heading into the playoffs. I could totally see deals with Boston or Cleveland where we get back one of their top picks.

Kanter is young, and he's great- but he's already getting paid top dollar, and unless there is some reasonable deal for Noah, I don't see how we can keep Kanter & Noah and have both KP & Willy due for big paydays. The math doesn't work.

totally agree. this was a great trade. plus we got beasley. we will at least be as good/bad as we were last year.

I still think Willy is the guy that's gonna get traded. He's young enough to pry away a young guy... maybe even a 1st rounder from another club. Salary aside, I like Noah off the bench with KP sliding in at center

newyorknewyork wrote:

EnySpree wrote:A trade is definitely on the horizon. We have to sit and wait for it to play out.

I still think Willy is the guy that's gonna get traded. He's young enough to pry away a young guy... maybe even a 1st rounder from another club. Salary aside, I like Noah off the bench with KP sliding in at center

A good trade for both teams when Kanter becomes available in a multi player trade.

Kanter & Lee to Dallas for Powell, Matthews & future pick

Knicks

Powel is a really really good fit next to KP. Athletic defensive finisher, rebounds and can guard multiple positions. Also keeps working on this 3 pt shooting. He would upgrade our defense with the other collection of players given his skill set. He really would fit in nicely here.

Matthews can slide to SF and be a better fit there then Lee.

Dallas

Noel isn't worth the money he is seeking
Dirk is on the rapid decline and will retire soon
Kanter gives them a very productive big soon entering his prime for the long term at that position.

Not a good trade. Powell is a dime a dozen player. Matthews is a shell of himself... "future pick"? I would trade Willy straight up for a future Dallas 1st rounder. I bet Dallas would do that too

EnySpree wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

EnySpree wrote:A trade is definitely on the horizon. We have to sit and wait for it to play out.

I still think Willy is the guy that's gonna get traded. He's young enough to pry away a young guy... maybe even a 1st rounder from another club. Salary aside, I like Noah off the bench with KP sliding in at center

A good trade for both teams when Kanter becomes available in a multi player trade.

Kanter & Lee to Dallas for Powell, Matthews & future pick

Knicks

Powel is a really really good fit next to KP. Athletic defensive finisher, rebounds and can guard multiple positions. Also keeps working on this 3 pt shooting. He would upgrade our defense with the other collection of players given his skill set. He really would fit in nicely here.

Matthews can slide to SF and be a better fit there then Lee.

Dallas

Noel isn't worth the money he is seeking
Dirk is on the rapid decline and will retire soon
Kanter gives them a very productive big soon entering his prime for the long term at that position.

Not a good trade. Powell is a dime a dozen player. Matthews is a shell of himself... "future pick"? I would trade Willy straight up for a future Dallas 1st rounder. I bet Dallas would do that too

We would be essentially be swapping Lee who isn't a player who will be here for the long term for Powell who would be here for the long term. Who's skill set matches KP & Willy and the rest of the young squad nicely. The swarming type of defense Frank, THjr, Powell, KP could provide with their length & athleticism would get standing Os at the Garden. By also doing so we are subtracting a need and netting a contract that is a pretty good bargain today completing our front court. Meaning more money we could use on a big time player.

Kanter is due a raise, may go for it next season. Willy has 3 yrs left at minimum salary.

Say Matthews also opted out to get his last long term contract. With the front court set. And Frank & THjr locked in at the guard positions. We would have a good amount of cap space to target a big time SF and depth.

newyorker4ever wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Agree. Let's give him $100 Million. Bro. Kanter is/has not been very good. He wont stay on the floor because if his defense. I like the way we swallow up other teams disappointments and make them out to be something they are not. Ie. Kanter, Beasley, MCBuckets, Sessions, Jack, etc etc. These guys won't be here much longer and won't make a difference as they are average.

Everyone has said that Kanter is a really good offensive player and rebounder but is bad on defense so how exactly is anyone making him something he isn't??

They thought Melo walked on water and now they suddenly care about defense. Trolls will be trolls - LOL

EnySpree wrote:A trade is definitely on the horizon. We have to sit and wait for it to play out.

I still think Willy is the guy that's gonna get traded. He's young enough to pry away a young guy... maybe even a 1st rounder from another club. Salary aside, I like Noah off the bench with KP sliding in at center

Ready to trade Wily huh? Kanter was -11 on the floor. He can score, sure. Yet once the ball goes inside to him, it doesn’t matter wjo’s Shooting 3s cause he ain’t kicking it back out. Face is it may not be Kanter ($17-20 Mm to play matador defense) or Wily. If your NBA Center isn’t athletic and can’t play D and board, what’s the point. There are some great bigs coming out the draft. Maybe it’s Kanter and his $20 Mm that gets packaged with Lee for talent and Wily is your rotation backup to a stud big.

* I like Willy. To me, he's got a bit of that David Lee thing going on - seems fundamentally sound & can produce numbers because "he plays the game the right way". He doesn't come across as a dominant scorer, but scores by virtue of being in the right place. Benefits from not being the the focal point. Has shown some ability to score in iso. High percentage shooter. Solid rebounder.

* Kanter looks like an offensive juggernaut. One on one, he's dominant - he has a lot of moves and soft hands - a bit like Al Jefferson, Zach Randolph... Eddy Curry? :O He seems to have some court sense for his teammates and can occasionally make a spectacular pass. I'd venture to say that you could probably build an offense around him. Defensively, there's a lot of talk about his shortcomings. I don't get the sense that he's Eddy Curry on D (ie a foul waiting to happen) but maybe he needs to be given the chance to play through his mistakes on D, because he looks like a 20ppg+ scorer to me who could singlehandedly get the opposing team in foul trouble. He also seems like a pretty solid rebounder. Very high percentage shooter.

Draft measurements for these guys are remarkably close. Both are a shade under 6'10" w/o shoes, just under 7'2" wingspan. Kanter has a bit more of a traditional athletic build; Willy looks like he has a thicker base.

Give the offensive ability (and ability to draw fouls) I think Kanter has the potential to be a force - if a team can allow him to play through defensive lapses.

It's a bit like comparing Al Jefferson and David Lee in their primes. Both produced around 20/10, but they way they got to those numbers was a bit different.

So... yeah, defense. Not sure how much can be taught/learned (by being embarasssed??? or by not getting the minutes?!).

One interesting thought is how people feel about these two vs Greg Monroe, the top FA target a few years ago. He hasn't been able to earn consistent minutes in Milwaukee, largely a result of his defensive inability... and lack of dominant skill.