[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Around the NBA 2017-18
Author Thread
BRIGGS
Posts: 50392
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
10/17/2017  9:40 PM
Vmart wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Think about the fire power the Cavs have-- they will take GS this year and it will be something like 4-1. They have their own dream team and its balanced offense and defense.

Good to have you back man. It’s a long season and shyt happens. Gotta play it out honestly I think some of the players break down happen. Including LeBron he has a lot of mileage. I don’t expect Wade to make it to the finals.

I gotcha--but think about this--they get to add Isaiah Thomas to this This is a rough team--physical athletic powerful and pretty good chemistry.

Would you ever think a team could have I Thomas Lebron Wade Love Rose with first rate role players all over the place? They will be scary.

Also I think in the future--I think the Knicks should steer clear of players with thin body types and stick with more physical builds. Yes Durant etc.. but these Cavs are imposing physically.

The one differentiator is that 3 point line which the Warriors rule the league at

AUTOADVERT
BRIGGS
Posts: 50392
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
10/17/2017  9:56 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Think about the fire power the Cavs have-- they will take GS this year and it will be something like 4-1. They have their own dream team and its balanced offense and defense.

It's an aging team with "names" in a gutted East.

LeIdiot aka LeGM is going to do his typical "LeCoast" through the first half. Once he clears his PEDS tests, he'll juice up, and try to push hard into the 2nd half to get the marketing/ratings/buzz into the playoffs. A veteran team can carry the first half for him.

An older team is more prone to injuries and needs a deeper rotation to shade minutes/usage.

This is an ugly defensive team. The benefit of "name" players is they will get more calls in their favor. That Nike spends gobs of money everywhere around the NBA means the Cavs will get a ton of ref calls in their favor.

This is a "contender" relative to the East, but not to the West. To the West, this team is one Nike lifetime contract away from being geriatric cannon fodder.

Briggs, let me welcome you back by saying you are wrong. Again.

I'll give you credit for this much, always, I know you love this team. All the way to the f**king bone. That's way more than some of the other mouthbreathers here.

But its good to have things back to normal. You say something that's clearly not accurate about the NBA, then I tell you you are wrong exhaustively.

I dont know man--this team is DEEEEP. Any given night 2-3 of these guys will go off when the others dont and LBJ always gets 24-8-8. So the offense will be there the rebounding will be there--and defense is good enough. Theyll be able to rotate and keep guys fresh all year. Maybe trade deadline--they may be a team that might get interested in Kyle Oquinn.

BigDaddyG
Posts: 26024
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049

10/17/2017  10:24 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/17/2017  10:58 PM
Cleveland still looks soft inside and their interior D is crap. I don't see this team overtaking GSW.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
Uptown
Posts: 26825
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883

10/17/2017  10:56 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:Cleveland still looks soft inside and their is crap. I don't see this team overtaking GSW.

Some of the lineups Lue put out there were clumsy....I would use Rose, Wade and Lebron together in small doses...When that unit was on the floor, last years Cavs spread-offense was MIA. Wade or Rose would catch the ball in the corner and instead of a shooting the 3 as Irving would, or JR or even Korver; Wade is pump faking and driving into traffic.

Lue has to mix and match and find the right balance between shooters, defenders and drivers...

newyorknewyork
Posts: 28044
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
10/17/2017  11:05 PM
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Cleveland still looks soft inside and their is crap. I don't see this team overtaking GSW.

Some of the lineups Lue put out there were clumsy....I would use Rose, Wade and Lebron together in small doses...When that unit was on the floor, last years Cavs spread-offense was MIA. Wade or Rose would catch the ball in the corner and instead of a shooting the 3 as Irving would, or JR or even Korver; Wade is pump faking and driving into traffic.

Lue has to mix and match and find the right balance between shooters, defenders and drivers...

Yea

BRIGGS
Posts: 50392
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
10/17/2017  11:10 PM
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Cleveland still looks soft inside and their is crap. I don't see this team overtaking GSW.

Some of the lineups Lue put out there were clumsy....I would use Rose, Wade and Lebron together in small doses...When that unit was on the floor, last years Cavs spread-offense was MIA. Wade or Rose would catch the ball in the corner and instead of a shooting the 3 as Irving would, or JR or even Korver; Wade is pump faking and driving into traffic.

Lue has to mix and match and find the right balance between shooters, defenders and drivers...

It will take a bit of time to get the whole chemistry thing down. But this is a deep team with a lot of weapons and thats not including I Thomas.

knicks1248
Posts: 37677
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 2/3/2004
Member: #582
10/17/2017  11:50 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
Uptown wrote:Some of the lineups Lue put out there were clumsy....


Let's look at "Le-GM's" Greatest Hits

- Trading Andrew Wiggins ( cost controlled wing) for Kevin Love, then immediately give Love a massive extension then immediately try to trade Love over and over again, showing open resentment for being exactly the player he's always been, and not the player the Cavs need. They needed a guy who could actually defend the rim and play some defense, instead they got yet another powerforward in a league where PFs have the lowest positional value in the game

- Dumping Dion Waiters and others for nothing, to clear cap room for giving LBJ the max. Wasteful use of assets. Not saying Waiters was going to be elite or massive trade bait, but short sighted long term.

- Giving Anderson Varaejo a buddy buddy contract despite being at the end of his career

- Signing Mike Miller, a LBJ buddy, AGAIN

- Paying two first round picks for Mozgov, while helpful short term, cost the Cavs a lot of future flexibility

- Paying Tristan Thompson an unreal amount of money to be an "energy guy" who can't work the low post, can't defend the rim, and can't space the floor with the three ball. But he's a Rich Paul client, so Klutch Sports could get their 10 percent, the Cavs got a player who choked out their cap and gave them yet another overpaid power forward

- Paying two 2nd rounders to dump Richard Jefferson.

- Signing non traction guys like Jeff Green, Jose Calderon, Wade, Rose etc, guys who have more name than useful role for an actual team

- Giving JR Smith and Korver contracts because the Cavs backed themselves into a corner by being cap and asset locked

This team would be so much different if Wiggins was not traded, Love never showed up, Thompson was let walk and assets were used patiently and diligently with LBJ taking a paycut in the process. ( He has a lifetime Nike contract, was X million worth losing over and over again in the Finals when he can make money hand over fist everywhere else?)

Le-GM runs down every roster he touches into the ground. This is the SECOND TIME in Cleveland he's run the roster into the ground. He did his best to drive Miami into hell as well.

Ever notice it's everyone elses fault and not LBJ's for running these teams into the ground?

Real use of his "power" would have been LBJ walking back into Cleveland on a pay cut, then telling Gilbert, offer Morey more money than God, let him run the team and do whatever he wants. LBJ would be sitting on multiple rings now on top of his Miami rings instead of having one gifted to him by Nike.

You can't ask Lue to make steak out of hot dogs. But that's what he's being asked to do. Then again, Lue only has the job in the first place because LBJ is uncoachable. He needs a coach who will let him do what he wants. At one point, Spolestra had to make a deal with him, do what I want defensively and you and Wade can do whatever you want on offense on your own. This compromise is part of why Miami lost to both Dallas and the Spurs.

Unless Nike and the refs work overtime on this, there is no legit way this Cavs unit will ever beat the Warriors in the Finals.

dude they have a championship, that's what this league is about, who cares how they did it

ES
Swishfm3
Posts: 22660
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 3/28/2003
Member: #392
10/18/2017  10:55 AM
I dont know who watched the Bos/Cle game but Brown and Tatum looked GREAT!

Boston is going to be ok.

Nalod
Posts: 56055
Alba Posts: 151
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
10/18/2017  11:17 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
Uptown wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:Cleveland still looks soft inside and their is crap. I don't see this team overtaking GSW.

Some of the lineups Lue put out there were clumsy....I would use Rose, Wade and Lebron together in small doses...When that unit was on the floor, last years Cavs spread-offense was MIA. Wade or Rose would catch the ball in the corner and instead of a shooting the 3 as Irving would, or JR or even Korver; Wade is pump faking and driving into traffic.

Lue has to mix and match and find the right balance between shooters, defenders and drivers...

It will take a bit of time to get the whole chemistry thing down. But this is a deep team with a lot of weapons and thats not including I Thomas.

Like most championships, they are won or lost on the training table. Boston lost a big piece with Haywood. This will engage Tatum's progress ahead of schedule if he is the real deal. Brown also will have more room to grow.
Cav's if healthy are stacked.
I get not everyone loves Lebron. Its so selfish of him to want to win championships!! The guy will coast because he has been to 8 straight finals and not had a major injury and is over age 30. Jordan had a nervous breakdown after three and took the better part of two seasons off. Two different players.

8 straight finals. THat is something to respect. I get his manner at times was seen as selfish and insensitive. Plus all that passing to teammates!! Oh my!!!
Jordan is, and was a flat out unbalanced human being who guarded his personal life with brilliance. Lebron is more open, and open to scrutiny.
I respect Jordan and all he has done. Circumstances and era are very different. They are both brilliant in their own way.
ANd if championships are the true determinater for Lebron haters to use, then bring in Bill Russell who won two NCAA chips, then 11 in his 13 year career with 5 MVP's.
He came into the league in 1956. Think of the crap he had to take in the era he played in.

Jordan was an *******. Lebron is selfish about his ambitions, but unselfish on the court. Carried teams to championships that had no business being there. Jordan never lost a finals, but he "only played in 6"!!! But he gets GOAT status? Sorry, that's on Bill Russell!!!

Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
Kemet
Posts: 20850
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 9/23/2015
Member: #6148

10/18/2017  11:40 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:I dont know man--this team is DEEEEP. Any given night 2-3 of these guys will go off when the others dont and LBJ always gets 24-8-8. So the offense will be there the rebounding will be there--and defense is good enough. Theyll be able to rotate and keep guys fresh all year. Maybe trade deadline--they may be a team that might get interested in Kyle Oquinn.


The team has a lot of experience. Granted.

The base problem comes down to three core things

1) They can't consistently defend the rim. That's just not going to cut it deep in the playoffs

2) Jae Crowder is going to get driven into the ground being the primary wing defender. It's unrealistic to put that much defensive burden on one player. If he's running with Wade, Rose and Love, ( or IT2) it's just not enough. The Cavs can't neutralize Thompson, Durant, Green and Curry, and if Nick Young gets going, and gets daylight, there just isn't enough wing defense ( Shumper and JR Smith don't offer enough balance, Korver, Calderon, Rose and Wade are just putrid defensively)

3) Nothing they have actually matches up with the Warriors. At all. Love and Thompson have shown that the Warriors will literally crush them in small unit matchups. Can they batter a weakened and gutted East? Yes, but the Warriors SECOND UNIT ( Iggy, Livingston, Bell, McCaw, Young, Casspi, McGee) would be a playoff team in the East as starters.

O'Quinn is not a starter. They need a starter. Nothing in his makeup indicates he can handle starter usage and minutes and production. He's a nice bench player and he's solid and hard working for his role, but he's not going to push the Cavs over the top. They need "position-less" wings who can defend.

It's got a lot of names, but I'd be leery how well it all fits together. It's an old team, with injury history, and the floor spacing is going to be suspect. LBJ needs shooters around him offensively and Rose and Wade and Thompson don't help him there.

LBJ is not the defender he used to be. While that's still a very good defender compared to everyone else, he's not the same defender he was in previous years. They need more PJ Tuckers and Luc Mbah a Moutes and Tony Allens than they needed Wades and Korvers and Roses.


The Cavs are much deeper in Depth n experience than u are mentioning for a 82 game season, plus no telling who the Cavs may pick up before the trading deadline.

This is the first time in NBA history a small-ball perimeter shooting team lead the league in wins plus win a championship game .. taking the hand checking out of the game does give perimeter shooters more room, that's why its hard to say if the 1990's GSW Big-3 TMC (plus rookie Sprewell) were/are better than today GSW who have a 4 position star player Green on the court for over 30 minute per game.

The Knicks would have had 10 or more wins if O'Quinn were their Starter n Finisher PF the past two seasons.
Lopez n Quinn or Noah n Quinn should have been the Knicks tandem frontcourt big men starter lineup.
Example .. the only way a team could win consistently having PF-Love or PF-TT at the center are to have a 5 position Super-Star Lebron James on the court for over 30 minute per game. Without Lebron or Green the Cavs n GSW are a first round playoff team.

Uptown
Posts: 26825
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883

10/18/2017  12:38 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
Uptown wrote:Some of the lineups Lue put out there were clumsy....


Let's look at "Le-GM's" Greatest Hits

- Trading Andrew Wiggins ( cost controlled wing) for Kevin Love, then immediately give Love a massive extension then immediately try to trade Love over and over again, showing open resentment for being exactly the player he's always been, and not the player the Cavs need. They needed a guy who could actually defend the rim and play some defense, instead they got yet another powerforward in a league where PFs have the lowest positional value in the game

- Dumping Dion Waiters and others for nothing, to clear cap room for giving LBJ the max. Wasteful use of assets. Not saying Waiters was going to be elite or massive trade bait, but short sighted long term.

- Giving Anderson Varaejo a buddy buddy contract despite being at the end of his career

- Signing Mike Miller, a LBJ buddy, AGAIN

- Paying two first round picks for Mozgov, while helpful short term, cost the Cavs a lot of future flexibility

- Paying Tristan Thompson an unreal amount of money to be an "energy guy" who can't work the low post, can't defend the rim, and can't space the floor with the three ball. But he's a Rich Paul client, so Klutch Sports could get their 10 percent, the Cavs got a player who choked out their cap and gave them yet another overpaid power forward

- Paying two 2nd rounders to dump Richard Jefferson.

- Signing non traction guys like Jeff Green, Jose Calderon, Wade, Rose etc, guys who have more name than useful role for an actual team

- Giving JR Smith and Korver contracts because the Cavs backed themselves into a corner by being cap and asset locked

This team would be so much different if Wiggins was not traded, Love never showed up, Thompson was let walk and assets were used patiently and diligently with LBJ taking a paycut in the process. ( He has a lifetime Nike contract, was X million worth losing over and over again in the Finals when he can make money hand over fist everywhere else?)

Le-GM runs down every roster he touches into the ground. This is the SECOND TIME in Cleveland he's run the roster into the ground. He did his best to drive Miami into hell as well.

Ever notice it's everyone elses fault and not LBJ's for running these teams into the ground?

Real use of his "power" would have been LBJ walking back into Cleveland on a pay cut, then telling Gilbert, offer Morey more money than God, let him run the team and do whatever he wants. LBJ would be sitting on multiple rings now on top of his Miami rings instead of having one gifted to him by Nike.

You can't ask Lue to make steak out of hot dogs. But that's what he's being asked to do. Then again, Lue only has the job in the first place because LBJ is uncoachable. He needs a coach who will let him do what he wants. At one point, Spolestra had to make a deal with him, do what I want defensively and you and Wade can do whatever you want on offense on your own. This compromise is part of why Miami lost to both Dallas and the Spurs.

Unless Nike and the refs work overtime on this, there is no legit way this Cavs unit will ever beat the Warriors in the Finals.

.and through all of that, LeGm still managed to win a 'chip and get to the finals 9 straight yrs or so? The clumsyness of this years roster is mainly because of Kyire's trade demand. That threw everything out of wack....Cavs had to pick up the pieces and try to formulate a team that could still compete while Lebron is a Cav. There are lots of pieces, (theres shooters, defenders, playmakers, etc) Lue just has to find the right combos...

BRIGGS
Posts: 50392
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
10/18/2017  1:23 PM
Swishfm3 wrote:I dont know who watched the Bos/Cle game but Brown and Tatum looked GREAT!

Boston is going to be ok.

With Tatum and Brown--its almost like they never needed Hayward--they also have Marcus Morris.
What Boston needs is Avery Bradley back and some size.

GustavBahler
Posts: 34726
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 7/12/2010
Member: #3186

10/18/2017  4:36 PM
Wish I hadn't seen that injury live. Hope Hayward can make a full recovery.

Tatum looks good. Celtics didn't play together long enough for the chemistry to suffer from Hayward's absence. They're still a dangerous team.

HofstraBBall
Posts: 22774
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/21/2015
Member: #6192

10/18/2017  6:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/19/2017  3:05 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
Uptown wrote:Some of the lineups Lue put out there were clumsy....


Let's look at "Le-GM's" Greatest Hits

- Trading Andrew Wiggins ( cost controlled wing) for Kevin Love, then immediately give Love a massive extension then immediately try to trade Love over and over again, showing open resentment for being exactly the player he's always been, and not the player the Cavs need. They needed a guy who could actually defend the rim and play some defense, instead they got yet another powerforward in a league where PFs have the lowest positional value in the game

- Dumping Dion Waiters and others for nothing, to clear cap room for giving LBJ the max. Wasteful use of assets. Not saying Waiters was going to be elite or massive trade bait, but short sighted long term.

- Giving Anderson Varaejo a buddy buddy contract despite being at the end of his career

- Signing Mike Miller, a LBJ buddy, AGAIN

- Paying two first round picks for Mozgov, while helpful short term, cost the Cavs a lot of future flexibility

- Paying Tristan Thompson an unreal amount of money to be an "energy guy" who can't work the low post, can't defend the rim, and can't space the floor with the three ball. But he's a Rich Paul client, so Klutch Sports could get their 10 percent, the Cavs got a player who choked out their cap and gave them yet another overpaid power forward

- Paying two 2nd rounders to dump Richard Jefferson.

- Signing non traction guys like Jeff Green, Jose Calderon, Wade, Rose etc, guys who have more name than useful role for an actual team

- Giving JR Smith and Korver contracts because the Cavs backed themselves into a corner by being cap and asset locked

This team would be so much different if Wiggins was not traded, Love never showed up, Thompson was let walk and assets were used patiently and diligently with LBJ taking a paycut in the process. ( He has a lifetime Nike contract, was X million worth losing over and over again in the Finals when he can make money hand over fist everywhere else?)

Le-GM runs down every roster he touches into the ground. This is the SECOND TIME in Cleveland he's run the roster into the ground. He did his best to drive Miami into hell as well.

Ever notice it's everyone elses fault and not LBJ's for running these teams into the ground?

Real use of his "power" would have been LBJ walking back into Cleveland on a pay cut, then telling Gilbert, offer Morey more money than God, let him run the team and do whatever he wants. LBJ would be sitting on multiple rings now on top of his Miami rings instead of having one gifted to him by Nike.

You can't ask Lue to make steak out of hot dogs. But that's what he's being asked to do. Then again, Lue only has the job in the first place because LBJ is uncoachable. He needs a coach who will let him do what he wants. At one point, Spolestra had to make a deal with him, do what I want defensively and you and Wade can do whatever you want on offense on your own. This compromise is part of why Miami lost to both Dallas and the Spurs.

Unless Nike and the refs work overtime on this, there is no legit way this Cavs unit will ever beat the Warriors in the Finals.

Congratulations! This is one of the dumbest basketball related posts of all time. Hate makes people stupid. It all makes sense now.

fishmike Posts: 48006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA 6/23/2016 12:35 PM fishmike worte" The dream? Would be Pg Rose SG GPII SF Durant PF Melo C Noah Bench: KP, Langston, KOQ, Clyde Frazier
Uptown
Posts: 26825
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883

10/18/2017  7:46 PM
Watching the Bucks/Celts tonite....Want to see what the Bucks lookin like....Are they ready to take it to the next level?
Uptown
Posts: 26825
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 4/1/2008
Member: #1883

10/18/2017  9:20 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/18/2017  9:23 PM
Lin injured his knee...Not sure how bad it is but his reaction indicates it is pretty bad or it just scared the life out of him...He did manage to limp to the locker room; no stretcher
BRIGGS
Posts: 50392
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
10/18/2017  10:10 PM
Not going to work with A Davis and Cousins--no way no how.
newyorknewyork
Posts: 28044
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
10/18/2017  11:23 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Not going to work with A Davis and Cousins--no way no how.

Miluakee would be a good trade partner IMO with pieces that could work for both teams.

A combo of Monroe, Parker or Middleton & Maker or Wilson. Cousins is a better fit next to Freak than Davis.

BRIGGS
Posts: 50392
Alba Posts: 8
Joined: 7/30/2002
Member: #303
10/19/2017  12:12 AM
If you are making decisions is basketball

Here is the bottom line for tonight

The winning team avg 114 points--the trend is being able to score points--no doubt about it.


PS the top rookies to stand out

John Collins Atlanta
DEnnis Smith Dallas

Nalod
Posts: 56055
Alba Posts: 151
Joined: 12/24/2003
Member: #508
USA
10/19/2017  7:18 AM
San Antonio looked good last nite, Aldridge was very impressive. he looks like he on the “Timmy” diet.
Knicks1248: 1. Dolan should be more involved! 2. Why would any knick fan want pick 8, when that spot has a history of producing marginal NBA taken. (He prefers pick 9th instead)
Around the NBA 2017-18

©2001-2012 ultimateknicks.com All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.