If the Rockets would feel that Kurt is the final piece of their championship puzzle then they would take on Moochie to get Kurt. Also they have Juwan Howard who's game is similar to Mo's so the trade makes sence and I'd do it. Unless we can use KT in a bigger trade with Tim Thomas to get say Ron Artest and Indy's garbage.

Mo Tayler abused KT last year in 1 game i can remember...i do that trade in a heartbeat if you could get that 1st round pick.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Most late first round draft picks get waived as soon as their first NBA contract expires. No thanks. I don't know what game TMS is referring to, but KT is clearly a better player than MO Tayler. Taylor has never been a double double player like Kurt with abve average low-post defense.

1/21/03 game log: HOU beat NY, 86-71
Mo Taylor 36 min, 10-15 FG, .667, 1-3 FT, 2 TO, 3 PF, 5 rebounds, 21 points
Kurt Thomas 36 min, 3-12 FG, .250, 2-2 FT, 1 block, 5 PF, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 8 points

1/8/03 game log: HOU beat NY, 111-79
Mo Taylor 27 min, 5-9 FG, .556, 5-6 FT, 1 steal, 2 TO, 3 PF, 9 rebounds, 1 assist, 15 points
Kurt Thomas 16 min, 1-7 FG, .143, 4-6 FT, 1 block, 3 TO, 4 PF, 2 rebounds, 6 points

CORRECTION: Mo abused Kurt in BOTH games they played last year.

& btw, KT has never averaged a double double in a season in his career either...KT is a better defensive PF & he rebounds & blocks shots better than Mo, but Mo is a better offensive PF, is younger, more athletic & has a low post game, something KT does not...so you can decide what you'd rather have...this team could use more defense, rebounds, shotblocking, & they also desperately need a low post scoring option as well as more youth & athleticism up front...to me, the key has ALWAYS been getting another 1st rounder, as i've said time & time again...you are dismissing a late 1st round pick as if it means little, meanwhile plenty of good NBA players were taken late in the 1st round that i would KILL to have on this team over KT anyday

[Edited by - TMS on 08/30/2004 11:11:43]

Posted by franco12:

but, before we trade KT- can someone tell me who is going to play pick and roll with Marbury and hit the open 12-15ft J with regularity?

KT is our only big capable of doing that

Good point. If we trade KT right now, we don't have a BIG player that can perform that task. We would be taking away one of Marbury's best trait.

I have a feeling that Zeke will probably trade Nazr and Tim Thomas for somebody like Artest. If Indy will bite. If not, he stands pat and wait for the trading dealine when he can move ending contracts like Penny and the like.

If we trade away KT for Mo Taylor, then I want Houston to take Shandon with him. I don't care about the late first rounder.

New York trades: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 24.6 minutes)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 31.9 minutes)
New York receives: PF Maurice Taylor (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.8 minutes)
PF Jimmy Jackson (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.8 minutes)
SF Bostjan Nachbar (3.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 11.5 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -4.4 ppg, -4.4 rpg, and -1.3 apg.

Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.8 minutes)
PF Jimmy Jackson (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.8 minutes)
SF Bostjan Nachbar (3.1 ppg, 1.6 rpg, 0.7 apg in 11.5 minutes)
Houston receives: SF Shandon Anderson (7.9 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 1.5 apg in 80 games)
C Kurt Thomas (11.1 ppg, 8.3 rpg, 1.9 apg in 80 games)
Change in team outlook: +4.4 ppg, +4.4 rpg, and +1.3 apg.

TRADE ACCEPTED


Trade ID number 1894827

JVG loves overachievers and that is what Shandon does. This will give Jeff the perfect compliment for Yao and Tracy. KT can take on the task of guarding the other teams post player so Yao can patrol the middle and in the offensive side, he will have KT in the weakside for dump-offs for those wide open 15 footers. Tracy will be salivating for those pick-and-rolls.

No way the Rockets give up Jimmy Jackson and take Shandon Anderson, you're dreaming.

I think this is a coup for the Knicks. They get rid of Moochie, who's useless, and they improve their PF by getting younger, cheaper, and more offensive and they get a first rounder.

Bonn, you saying "most" late first roudners get waived after their contract could be the biggest exaggeration you've ever made.

Looking back at the 2002 draft, from picks 20-29, here were the players:
Kareem Rush, Qyntel Woods, Casey Jacobsen, Tayshaun Prince, Nenad Kristic, Frank Williams, John Salmons, Chris Jeffries, and Dan Dickau. Only Jeffries and Dickau have been huge disappointments, and guys like Dan Gadzuric, Flip Murray, and Carlos Boozer were taken early round 2.

In 2001, 20-20 were:
Brendan Haywood, Joe Forte, Jeryl Sasser, Brandon Armstrong, Raul Lopez, Gerald Wallace, Samuel Dalembert, Jamaal Tinsley, and Tony Parker, and early 2nd round picks were Gilbert Arenas, Memo Okur, and Earl Watson.

So there is definitely talent when you get to the end of the first/early second. KT's 31 and he has some big years coming up on that contract. If you don't deal him soon his window of trade opportunity will be gone.

The success rate is about 7 out of 10 in the 20s, where you're getting these numbers that the guy will be a bust is beyond me.

Plus, we all hail Isiah for his talent eye. This, to me, seems like a much easier way to get a Center. Now they'd have two first rounders, they could take 1 or 2 and groom a guy this way, instead of banking on signing Shaq in 2020.

So Bonn, what would you be expecting in return if Isiah were to trade the Knicks' 1st round pick in '05? i'm just curious as to why you think there is very little value in acquiring another 1st round pick. Does this mean you think the Knicks' 1st round pick next year isn't worth much either?

maybe you didn't get the point of the original trade idea...it was the Knicks getting another draft pick in the deal, not giving 1 up.