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nixluva
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9/28/2017  4:36 PM
LivingLegend wrote:I'm cautiously optimistic with Doug.

He has played behind the likes of Butler/Wade in Chicago and with ball dominant PG's in Rose, Rondo and Westbrook.

Watching his film he is a guy that appears to excel via catch/shoot and off motion cuts...plus I think he has some post-up game.

If we can run a unselfish..uptempo..motion type offense Doug might excel a bit.

Personally I prefer Doug starting at SF over likes of Lance, Beasley or Kuz and not sure I like Timmy/Lee (Sg/Sf) combo option -- would rather see if Doug can play well given his 25 year age..plus potential FA situation.

Good points. I think when you have a Korver type you simply MUST have that ball move and find him in rhythm!!! Shooters need shots and it's a waste to have him on the floor with Ball Hogs. This could be a great opportunity for DM to excel.
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9/28/2017  4:49 PM
nixluva wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:I'm cautiously optimistic with Doug.

He has played behind the likes of Butler/Wade in Chicago and with ball dominant PG's in Rose, Rondo and Westbrook.

Watching his film he is a guy that appears to excel via catch/shoot and off motion cuts...plus I think he has some post-up game.

If we can run a unselfish..uptempo..motion type offense Doug might excel a bit.

Personally I prefer Doug starting at SF over likes of Lance, Beasley or Kuz and not sure I like Timmy/Lee (Sg/Sf) combo option -- would rather see if Doug can play well given his 25 year age..plus potential FA situation.

Good points. I think when you have a Korver type you simply MUST have that ball move and find him in rhythm!!! Shooters need shots and it's a waste to have him on the floor with Ball Hogs. This could be a great opportunity for DM to excel.


The thing with Korver is that he did a decent job of defending his position in his prime. I've seen the words "historically bad" used a few times to describe Doug on defense. I'd like to see him play too. But he's simply got to improve on that end of the floor to see any real minutes.
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9/28/2017  4:49 PM
We have way too many SF's

For Doug to make an impact that garners PT his 3P% has to be above 40%. He doesnt do enough elsewhere--in this league he has to be a high% 3 point guy--I mean 40-45%--even then hes not really a 3 and D specialist.

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9/28/2017  5:11 PM
BRIGGS wrote:We have way too many SF's

For Doug to make an impact that garners PT his 3P% has to be above 40%. He doesnt do enough elsewhere--in this league he has to be a high% 3 point guy--I mean 40-45%--even then hes not really a 3 and D specialist.

DM would be in there to be used as a weapon that can do damage mostly on Catch n Shoot. Other SF's we have can do other things and might be better off the bench IMO.
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9/28/2017  5:21 PM
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:We have way too many SF's

For Doug to make an impact that garners PT his 3P% has to be above 40%. He doesnt do enough elsewhere--in this league he has to be a high% 3 point guy--I mean 40-45%--even then hes not really a 3 and D specialist.

DM would be in there to be used as a weapon that can do damage mostly on Catch n Shoot. Other SF's we have can do other things and might be better off the bench IMO.

If he earns it. I think there is a lot of plowing through to get there. Beasley Thomas Kuz--those guys bring more to the table. DM would have to be more accurate with his 3 pt shooting.

We really do not have the prototypical 3 man on our roster--more athletic capable of playing rangy defense

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9/28/2017  5:28 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
nixluva wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:We have way too many SF's

For Doug to make an impact that garners PT his 3P% has to be above 40%. He doesnt do enough elsewhere--in this league he has to be a high% 3 point guy--I mean 40-45%--even then hes not really a 3 and D specialist.

DM would be in there to be used as a weapon that can do damage mostly on Catch n Shoot. Other SF's we have can do other things and might be better off the bench IMO.

If he earns it. I think there is a lot of plowing through to get there. Beasley Thomas Kuz--those guys bring more to the table. DM would have to be more accurate with his 3 pt shooting.

We really do not have the prototypical 3 man on our roster--more athletic capable of playing rangy defense

I bet DM shoots a higher % this year seeing more touches in a faster Ball and Player Movement offense. As for his D it looks like he tries hard but had poor technique and understanding of defensive schemes. He was making poor decisions on D. Seems more mental than anything.

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9/28/2017  7:41 PM
Folks are describing him as purely a 3-point specliast but I think he thrives off movement and the game clips earlier in this thread show him putting the ball on floor...hitting mid-range, +floaters plus numerous buckets off cuts. If Horny puts right system in place Doug will show versatile all-around game. If you go back and watch some Creighton games he is scoring all over the floor...sure it was college and he was focal point but kid knows how to score the ball.
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9/28/2017  7:45 PM
LivingLegend wrote:Folks are describing him as purely a 3-point specliast but I think he thrives off movement and the game clips earlier in this thread show him putting the ball on floor...hitting mid-range, +floaters plus numerous buckets off cuts. If Horny puts right system in place Doug will show versatile all-around game. If you go back and watch some Creighton games he is scoring all over the floor...sure it was college and he was focal point but kid knows how to score the ball.

YUP! There's potential there in a system with Ball and Player Movement. The team we have now is full of unselfish guys that play TEAM BALL.
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9/28/2017  7:53 PM
Novak? His advanced stats are atrocious but can obviously shoot the three.
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9/28/2017  9:37 PM
DM still has a chance to raise his game and this might be the best opportunity he's gonna get. Jeff's Uptempo Offense should give him plenty of opportunity to shine.
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9/28/2017  11:16 PM
reub wrote:Novak? His advanced stats are atrocious but can obviously shoot the three.

Waiting for your 1st post that doesn't say "advanced stats".
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9/29/2017  7:35 AM
Several players including DM Beasley and enes will get opportunity

Who will coach them up and hopefully transform their D? Do we have anyone on staff for that

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9/29/2017  8:01 AM    LAST EDITED: 9/29/2017  8:23 AM
Chandler wrote:Several players including DM Beasley and enes will get opportunity

Who will coach them up and hopefully transform their D? Do we have anyone on staff for that

You expect too much from a coach. You also are emasculating the player. This is a man's league. Professional players. Everyone could use a little confidence and opportunity. Players talk a lot about guys believing in then when they succeed. They still have to go out and perform every night. 82 games plus 16 wins in the playoffs. Somewhere along the line the player has to take that initiative. Star players are star players regardless. If you can play you can play.

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9/29/2017  11:18 AM
on defense he all of a suddenly becomes uncordinated oaf

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9/29/2017  11:46 AM
nixluva wrote:DM still has a chance to raise his game and this might be the best opportunity he's gonna get. Jeff's Uptempo Offense should give him plenty of opportunity to shine.

you would have never traded for this guy in your life time, now that he's here, you want to be super optimistic and act like he's better than he really is..

you talk about defense, defense, defense, until the knicks trade for some weak ass defender, then you want us to believe he's a better defender than he has shown his entire brief career, and he's going to coming to the knicks and have a whole new approached..yeah right!!

It's good to optimistic, but better to be realistic..

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9/29/2017  11:50 AM
knicks1248 wrote:It's good to optimistic, but better to be realistic..

You thought the Knicks were going to be postseason team this season.

Is that realistic or optimistic?

I agree we should assess McDermott for what he does and not what we want to do.

In the same respect that had to be done for the entire Knicks roster, and I think Mills/Perry correctly concluded while we'd like them to be a postseason team, they weren't.
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9/29/2017  11:59 AM
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It's good to optimistic, but better to be realistic..

You thought the Knicks were going to be postseason team this season.

Is that realistic or optimistic?

I agree we should assess McDermott for what he does and not what we want to do.

In the same respect that had to be done for the entire Knicks roster, and I think Mills/Perry correctly concluded while we'd like them to be a postseason team, they weren't.

this is the weakest I have ever seen the Eastern conference, 35 to 37 wins will assure you a 8th to 6th seed...

that's a realistic goal

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9/29/2017  12:07 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It's good to optimistic, but better to be realistic..

You thought the Knicks were going to be postseason team this season.

Is that realistic or optimistic?

I agree we should assess McDermott for what he does and not what we want to do.

In the same respect that had to be done for the entire Knicks roster, and I think Mills/Perry correctly concluded while we'd like them to be a postseason team, they weren't.

this is the weakest I have ever seen the Eastern conference, 35 to 37 wins will assure you a 8th to 6th seed...

that's a realistic goal

So they were going to leapfrog 5 teams in front of them, and outpace the Sixers, Magic and Nets, with the goal to finish five or seven games below .500 and a first round match up at the Cavs or Celtics?

Really?
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9/29/2017  12:17 PM
A comment from Doug's dad who coached him in college...

“I played him at the 4 in college,’’ Greg said. “I didn’t want him against the faster 3’s. He was such a good scorer, I didn’t want him in foul trouble so he wasn’t against the other team’s top forward. He understands defense. He understands he’s got to improve.’’

Could be dad being nice...but it is not uncommon for top scorers to be kept from defending the top scorer on the other team.

Melo was an example of someone who probably reduced his energy output on D so he could be a better offensive player. Not too many Jordans and Lebrons out there.

But McDermott really needs to make his improvements in the offseason, and build up his body for the defensive grind. Not sure he can do this during the season.

I see him as a 20-25 minute offensive change of pace guy who only stays on the court if he is effective on offense, unless he shows us things on D that he has not shown his other teams so far.

Rare to see guys like McDermott and Beasley change their games drastically on D. Hope they can, but these are players who put D aside in college because they were only asked to score, and maybe they are just not up to playing NBA quality D.

Hope I am wrong...especially about McDermott, who has the kind of ball movement game I think the Knicks can benefit from.

We will see.

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9/29/2017  12:30 PM
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Knickoftime wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:It's good to optimistic, but better to be realistic..

You thought the Knicks were going to be postseason team this season.

Is that realistic or optimistic?

I agree we should assess McDermott for what he does and not what we want to do.

In the same respect that had to be done for the entire Knicks roster, and I think Mills/Perry correctly concluded while we'd like them to be a postseason team, they weren't.

this is the weakest I have ever seen the Eastern conference, 35 to 37 wins will assure you a 8th to 6th seed...

that's a realistic goal

So they were going to leapfrog 5 teams in front of them, and outpace the Sixers, Magic and Nets, with the goal to finish five or seven games below .500 and a first round match up at the Cavs or Celtics?

Really?

We have Cavs, Boston, Raptors, Miluakee, Washington, Hornets, Heat, Pistons for the top 8 seeds. Then we have Knicks, Nets, 76ers, Orlando all trying to take out Pistons for that last spot. Maybe Heat struggle if they get some injuries.

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